Range Time with... 2 Civil War Leverguns!!!
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Range Time with... 2 Civil War Leverguns!!!
Well, it was great to meet my brother at his local range a few hours south of here, as we were planning to put my new-to-me JP McCoy flintlock through its paces. It shot really well for the first 5 shots -- with very fast ignition! -- and me, my brother and his friend all easily putting our shots into the black. I was really excited though, as mine were closer.
Then just as I was about to setup for another round of 5 or more shots with the flintlock, my twin's friend announces that he brought 2 original Civil War carbines -- both leverguns -- to shoot!
Yup, the flintlock quickly started to collect some dust in the corner, as I can shoot that anytime...
First up was a Spencer Carbine that has been converted to centerfire by adding a new breechblock, that is clearly marked "For Blackpowder Only". If it wasn't for that, all the rest of the gun and the "new" breechblock all looked old; as whoever made the new block put an "old finish" on it.
The block was chambered for cutdown .50-70 brass, and they looked like these (on the right) next to one of the original rimfire rounds:
Other than a slight glitch (took several attempts, while tilted 45 degrees right) on feeding the last round, each of us put the entire mags downrange as fast as we could cycle the lever. The follower in the removable tubular magazine had been dimpled so it would not hit a centerfire primer, and I'm thinking maybe it has a burr or causes the last round to tilt just a little. But boy -- all the smoke from this "Dang Yankee rifle that you load on Sunday and shoot all week" was really getting thick! Then I found that if you thumped the buttstock twice after the first hiccup, the last round would then feed easily. So I got all my rounds downrange faster than the other guys.
Here's a good image of some of the parts and inner workings of the Spencer:
Next up was a gun that probably should have been shot after the flintlock -- or maybe a caplock -- and before the Spencer, as it bridged the gap between percussion guns and fixed cartridges.
I got to handle and shoot a Burnside Carbine!
This one was a blast to shoot, with the fixed cartridge AND large musket cap. So it's not a repeater, but we sure could put a lot of rounds downrange in a hurry. The rounds are those odball "snow cones" maybe you've seen some pictures of, and the ones we shot were loaded with a round ball and 2F powder. There's a pinhole (about the size of the hole in the nipple of a cap 'n ball revolver) in the rear of the brass cone, and as long as you use 2F powder -- none falls out. And of course we tried to shake some out!
The owner also had some plastic "snow cones" and while those were harder to cam closed, they shot just as well and weren't burned up at all. He just doesn't know how long the pinhole at the rear will hold up, but he's aiming to find out. The image below shows you how the locking block tilts down, exposing the chamber for loading, and you insert the load, lock it up (there's a definite click when you do it right) and then cap the large nipple with a musket cap.
So that's my range report. Man, it was fun! Overall, I think I liked the Spencer the best, while my brother liked the Burnside. But for sure, after I found out what he'd paid for those, I'll only get to shoot his guns whenever he comes north again..........
Tight groups!
Old No7
Then just as I was about to setup for another round of 5 or more shots with the flintlock, my twin's friend announces that he brought 2 original Civil War carbines -- both leverguns -- to shoot!
Yup, the flintlock quickly started to collect some dust in the corner, as I can shoot that anytime...
First up was a Spencer Carbine that has been converted to centerfire by adding a new breechblock, that is clearly marked "For Blackpowder Only". If it wasn't for that, all the rest of the gun and the "new" breechblock all looked old; as whoever made the new block put an "old finish" on it.
The block was chambered for cutdown .50-70 brass, and they looked like these (on the right) next to one of the original rimfire rounds:
Other than a slight glitch (took several attempts, while tilted 45 degrees right) on feeding the last round, each of us put the entire mags downrange as fast as we could cycle the lever. The follower in the removable tubular magazine had been dimpled so it would not hit a centerfire primer, and I'm thinking maybe it has a burr or causes the last round to tilt just a little. But boy -- all the smoke from this "Dang Yankee rifle that you load on Sunday and shoot all week" was really getting thick! Then I found that if you thumped the buttstock twice after the first hiccup, the last round would then feed easily. So I got all my rounds downrange faster than the other guys.
Here's a good image of some of the parts and inner workings of the Spencer:
Next up was a gun that probably should have been shot after the flintlock -- or maybe a caplock -- and before the Spencer, as it bridged the gap between percussion guns and fixed cartridges.
I got to handle and shoot a Burnside Carbine!
This one was a blast to shoot, with the fixed cartridge AND large musket cap. So it's not a repeater, but we sure could put a lot of rounds downrange in a hurry. The rounds are those odball "snow cones" maybe you've seen some pictures of, and the ones we shot were loaded with a round ball and 2F powder. There's a pinhole (about the size of the hole in the nipple of a cap 'n ball revolver) in the rear of the brass cone, and as long as you use 2F powder -- none falls out. And of course we tried to shake some out!
The owner also had some plastic "snow cones" and while those were harder to cam closed, they shot just as well and weren't burned up at all. He just doesn't know how long the pinhole at the rear will hold up, but he's aiming to find out. The image below shows you how the locking block tilts down, exposing the chamber for loading, and you insert the load, lock it up (there's a definite click when you do it right) and then cap the large nipple with a musket cap.
So that's my range report. Man, it was fun! Overall, I think I liked the Spencer the best, while my brother liked the Burnside. But for sure, after I found out what he'd paid for those, I'll only get to shoot his guns whenever he comes north again..........
Tight groups!
Old No7
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Wow that was something else No7
What a fun day.
What a fun day.
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Re: Range Time with... 2 Civil War Leverguns!!!
Darryl, I totally understand that grin on your face. There is something about the Civil War carbines that is just so darned much fun. I briefly owned a Burnside in non-firing condition, but I have owned two original Maynard Second Models in .50 Maynard, a Pietta-made Smith Carbine, an original Merrill (deepest rifling I have ever encountered) and an Armi-Sport Spencer in .56-50, which I shot with handloads using excellent Starline brass. Also played briefly with an Italian knock-off of the Sharps Model 1859 paper-cartridge breechloader in .54. Boy, they are fun to shoot. Great reference is John McAulay's "Carbines of the Civil War."
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Like Bill said I reckon that grin will be there for a while. What a joy that would be real proud for you, just enjoy you flinch lock. Muzzle loaders and real black powder are a pleasure to shoot.
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Re: Range Time with... 2 Civil War Leverguns!!!
Man, that is cool as all get out! I had a chance to buy a Spencer carbine once, years ago. I didn't cause the conversion breech blocks weren't available or I didn't know about them.
I kick myself now.
Looks like a fun day No.7. Glad your flinter shot well.
I kick myself now.
Looks like a fun day No.7. Glad your flinter shot well.
"Oh bother", said Pooh, as he chambered another round.
Re: Range Time with... 2 Civil War Leverguns!!!
Wow, neat rifles. I’d love a Spencer Carbine one day, “3:10 to Yuma” and “Unforgiven” are two of my favourite films.
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Re: Range Time with... 2 Civil War Leverguns!!!
Excellent range report, loads of good info and illustrations
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What a wonderful experience !
Exciting, to say the least.......... Thanks for sharing !
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What a wonderful experience !
Exciting, to say the least.......... Thanks for sharing !
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Re: Range Time with... 2 Civil War Leverguns!!!
Plus one to that, when I belonged to a rifle club I was lucky enough to try a few interesting firearms but not as interesting as those....
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What a great experience!
I'm surprised that Pete didn't mention the Burnside was designed by a famous Rhode Islander and built in the Ocean State. I've got a Burnside cartridge in my collection and would love to find a rifle to go with it someday.
Jason
I'm surprised that Pete didn't mention the Burnside was designed by a famous Rhode Islander and built in the Ocean State. I've got a Burnside cartridge in my collection and would love to find a rifle to go with it someday.
Jason
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Re: Range Time with... 2 Civil War Leverguns!!!
I have one of the erma gallagher carbines and it is a lot of fun to shoot.Mine has been relined to 50cal and it is quite accurate and doesn t have any cartridge ignition problems
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Re: Range Time with... 2 Civil War Leverguns!!!
Not much stirs the soul as much as shooting an old gun...the older, the better. I'd rather shoot 5 rounds from a 150 year old gun than a hundred from a modern gun.
While a fair amount of these guns were made, not many remain and the ones that do remain are in museums or high dollar collections...very few for the average guy to play with. Good for you.---6
While a fair amount of these guns were made, not many remain and the ones that do remain are in museums or high dollar collections...very few for the average guy to play with. Good for you.---6
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Amen to that!
Some younger guys were down at the end of the range shooting their ARs -- blasting away with 30-round mags as fast as they could pull the trigger* -- but we had better groups on target than they did, and I'm sure we had lots more fun.
......* The range used to have "5-shot mag limit" and "1 shot every 3 seconds" rules, but those got voted out by the AR crowd......
Not-so-surprisingly, when they passed by our bench on a cease fire, none of the them even glanced at the HISTORY laying right there on our bench, or asked if they could see them...
They missed an opportunity -- AND their targets too!
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