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1895 saddle ring with a newly installed but used Winchester nickel steel 30 Army carbine barrel. 1st round out of the box blew at the extractor cutout. Bent the extractor and gave me a powder rash on the forehead. Big Green is sending for the remaining cartridges and I'll be getting the carbine checked. Carbine manufactured in 1915 or so. The replacement barrel was in nice shape. Kind of put me off of 1895s for a while.
Glad you are okay! Is the extractor cut out that deep on all 95's? Seems pretty dramatic for such a thin rim, but the photo may be playing tricks with me.. I know very little about 95s so pardon my ignorance.
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It's the cutout on the replacement barrel. The old shortened barrel compared to the replacement... Cutout is too wide AND the supporting part of the chamber is gone under it. Just about out of dumb luck.
There's a chunk of barrel missing in that cutout. There's an obvious broken edge visible on the original image on photobucket. Is it a new break or did it come with the barrel? Is that little chunk hiding in the action somewhere?
Walker wrote:I haven't found it yet. We had to drive the brass out so it might have fallen out then. Just a guess but the wider cut might have weakened that area.
Could that 'cut' been have made with a rotary grinder...?
The only extractor groove I ever cut was for a 22 LR (adapting a single-extractor 10/22 barrel for the twin-extractor 96/22), and it was way narrower. I did it with a hand file, once I'd marked/started it with a Dremel just enough to scratch the surface. It would have been faster to grind the whole thing, but I didn't want to overheat the metal.
I may be wrong, but I always thought over-heating metal took out the 'temper' or otherwise weakened it, so I've been careful not to ever do much grinding.
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Both barrels were 30-40 krag. My fault for not looking closely at the nice shiny full length replacement before having it put on. Lucky I only had powder to extract. I didn't notice the enlarged cut before the problem.
Theres nothing wrong with the ammo, but something majorly wrong with the gunsmith who installed that barrel.........if it was like that at the time of installation........get a strong light and a glass and look for machining marks vs breaking marks. Common sense tells me it was like that at the time of installation. Steel does not break at nice even lines.
The area that takes the most pressure is the web of the case/back end of the chamber.
Where did the barrel come from? Was it cheap?----------6
1st. Gen. Colt SAA’s, 1878 D.A.45 and a 38-55 Marlin TD
I picked the barrel up on eBay; should have checked it against the old barrel. It was a lot cheaper than buying from a Winchester parts dealer. Local gunsmith installed it. He's not a lever smith.
Its a good guess the milled/filed out extractor groove escaped both of your inspections. There is a fix though. The gunsmith, John Taylor....(I think Wash.) can sleeve the chamber area. He did an 86 like that for me and it shoots better than it ever did. The rifling stays the same, he just sleeves the chamber.
Just for the heck of it, see if you can bring up the photos that were on Ebay of that barrel. You may have a good reason to demand back your bucks if it was misrepresented.---------6
1st. Gen. Colt SAA’s, 1878 D.A.45 and a 38-55 Marlin TD
Six, I broke out a jewelers loupe and you're right. The ridges are visible where the chamber was cut. I'll call John Taylor today. Wanted to talk with him about a new barrel for an 86 anyway.
Do you think that extractor can be fixed, or should I scrap it and get another?
Terry
I've had the barrel for a while, so the eBay listing is probably gone now.
Walker wrote:It's the cutout on the replacement barrel. The old shortened barrel compared to the replacement... Cutout is too wide AND the supporting part of the chamber is gone under it. Just about out of dumb luck.
Why is there a cut a 6 o'clock on the old barrel and not on the new one?
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On the extractor, get a new one. They are spring steel and your old one will most likely be damaged if you pound it back into shape. They are cheap ...maybe $15. They are also easy to replace.......you have to take the bolt out and knock out the through pin. Most don't need any fitting and if they do, it's not much....little bit of filing maybe.
I'd try to hunt down the guy who sold it to you. While there may not be much you can do, he might cut you some slack if he is a decent guy.----6
1st. Gen. Colt SAA’s, 1878 D.A.45 and a 38-55 Marlin TD
One could have the barrel shortened by a couple turns, rechamber, cut new extractor slot and reinstall. Might be more than the cost of a replacement though.
The gunsmith, John Taylor....(I think Wash.) can sleeve the chamber area. He did an 86 like that for me and it shoots better than it ever did. The rifling stays the same, he just sleeves the chamber.
