Yet Some MORE Boring Jeep Talk....

[Blaine]

You Jeep People, prolly know all this, but, I'm going to use this and your experience as a sounding board......Looking at Wranglers for several days, I have determined that there are no real "deals" on a used late model Wrangler. A 2010-2012 with less than 50,000 miles goes for almost what a new one costs......SixGun was right....I drove a new 2001 Wrangler at work for five years, and these new ones are superior, and just "felt" better. 3.6 V6 is a pretty nice motor....even better than the 4.0 of a few years ago......During a test drive today, I was getting over 21mpg with the 6 speed manual....One place I went told me they could not give me a "price" unless I was willing to commit to buying TODAY....I told them to shove it...can you imagine?? Going out again tomorrow....My buddys here will be the first to see it if and when....

[pwl44m]

Blaine, Dealers always Price Their used ones High to get U to pay a little more for a New one.
I think I will try that trick at the Gun Show, I won't give a price unless They say They will buy it. I wonder how many Jeeps They sell ?
Perry

[Blaine]

Blaine, Dealers always Price Their used ones High to get U to pay a little more for a New one.
I think I will try that trick at the Gun Show, I won't give a price unless They say They will buy it. I wonder how many Jeeps They sell ?
Perry

This place has always had a bad reputation, but, it was close and I wanted to see a large selection.....These were nice folks right up until bargaining time...What a jerk...

[1894c]

BlaineG-- good hunting on the Jeep ...my 2004 Jeep has been a blast to own and drive, it allows me to drive up into the Cascades, it brings a certain freedom that i've never had before...if you're patient you'll do good...remember when dealing with car dealers and lawyers if their lips stop moving...run... :)

[madman4570]

You Jeep People, prolly know all this, but, I'm going to use this and your experience as a sounding board......Looking at Wranglers for several days, I have determined that there are no real "deals" on a used late model Wrangler. A 2010-2012 with less than 50,000 miles goes for almost what a new one costs......SixGun was right....I drove a new 2001 Wrangler at work for five years, and these new ones are superior, and just "felt" better. 3.6 V6 is a pretty nice motor....even better than the 4.0 of a few years ago......During a test drive today, I was getting over 21mpg with the 6 speed manual....One place I went told me they could not give me a "price" unless I was willing to commit to buying TODAY....I told them to shove it...can you imagine?? Going out again tomorrow....My buddys here will be the first to see it if and when....

Blaine,

Dude, don't be too hasty with those yahoos wanting a today only price.
#1 Is there another place reasonably close to get service done if you buy a new one from those yahoos today?
#2 What I have found is during this time of year that what they can only sell them for goes out the window.
#3 Have your ducks in order in case you have to come up with the $$$$ that day
#4 Do your homework and come up with your very rock bottom "I think I stole that Jeep price" ahead of going further.
#5 Don't rule out one of the other Wrangler modes maybe with some extra features etc. The key is getting one on there lot and preferably a new left over they want to dump.


When items #1-5 are complete
Go back and talk to them, if possible talk to the big cheese there. If they still tell you that there, say Yes, I am ready to buy today IF YOU MEET MY PRICE

[Mescalero]

Check out GSA auctions.
The border patrol here in the southwest has a million jeeps.
Be patient, they should start showing up on the auction site.
I got my Dodge power wagon from them, 10 minutes after I drove into town, I got offered 5 times what I paid for it.
No I did not sell it.

[williamranks]

Ever seen this place? http://www.wagonmaster.com/default.htm
They're all relatively low mileage and refurbished. Gotta be a lot of room to negotiate based on the price.

[Blaine]

Ever seen this place? http://www.wagonmaster.com/default.htm
They're all relatively low mileage and refurbished. Gotta be a lot of room to negotiate based on the price.

Those are dandy! (but, too heavy for my V6 van to tow ....)

[draperjojo]

They are a little hungrier at month end. Don't be afraid to lowball.

[Blaine]

They are a little hungrier at month end. Don't be afraid to lowball.

AND, it's the Holidays....

[draperjojo]

Last used one I bought, dealer wanted $12,800 for. I told them I'd give them $9600. Salesguy called me every other night til the end of the month dropping from his original price. End of month I'm parked on side street next to dealership when salesguy calls me and agrees to my number. Walked in, signed papers and left deposit, told him I'd pickup the jeep Monday. 2 hrs later he calls me and asks if I want to make $1000 and sell him back the jeep....haha, I told him no thanks

[Mescalero]

Talking to car sales people is ( for me ) just a terribly unhappy experience.
There is no need for them to make it so.

[Blaine]

Talking to car sales people is ( for me ) just a terribly unhappy experience.
There is no need for them to make it so.

The BungHole yesterday told me that MSRP was his best price unless I would commit to buying right now I'm going to see the new car manager and see if that is a company policy, and, maybe get a price out of them to start the negotiations

[.45colt]

Mescalero wrote; Talking to car sales people is ( for me ) just a terribly unhappy experience.
There is no need for them to make it so.
many of them are professional jerks... when I was looking for my Liberty in '05 I went to the jeep dealer that is 5 miles away. told them I wanted one with the 6 speed manual. we don't have one but put some money down and we will get it for you. I want to drive one first I says. too bad can't get it unless You agree to buy.......... wouldn't tell Me where one was either.........I had to search the jeep internet and found one two hours away. The local dealer gets nothing from me but warranty service. and they are pretty bad at that also. .

[Mescalero]

By now I would have become so disgusted with the nonsense to not do it at all.
Wonder how many customers they lose like that?

[.45colt]

They lost #1 and that's ME.

[Blaine]

2014 Wrangler Sport...500 under invoice & they split the tax & licence with me

[1894c]

2014 Wrangler Sport...500 under invoice & they split the tax & licence with me 8)

that is so cool...welcome to "IT'S A JEEP THING"... :)

[Ji in Hawaii]

Those are dandy! (but, too heavy for my V6 van to tow ....)

These are easy to tow, and reliable, fuel efficient, and capable offroad.
http://skagit.craigslist.org/cto/4197175217.html
http://seattle.craigslist.org/skc/cto/4188105917.html
http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/cto/4185551801.html

[Sixgun]

Ahh, you wanna see how to screw those car salesman whores? To me, thats what they are as they will think nothing of taking advantage of a woman/man who has little knowledge of haggling and sell it full MSRP and never tell you about things you are paying extra for but have no value for the buyer. They also tend to forget who you are after you need service or other issues.

Illl show you how to buy a new top of the line Rubicon for 23K (2005) and a new top of the line 4 door unlimited (2011) for 27K like I did. Remember, thats what I paid in THOSE years.

Go online and find the dealer in the country who has the cheapest prices or an overstock that is selling to reduce inventory. In my case it was a dealer in Colorado. Print out the prices and take them to your dealer and bluntly say, " Either you sell it to me at this price or I'll fly out to Colorado, buy it and drive it back." To which they will say, "Go ahead"

So....you "go ahead" and tell the main man supervisor that you have an offer that your 10 cent salesman will not honor and beings that the "main man" is always greedy for money/sales, he will go for it.

Remember, there is no "honor" with car salesman.--------------6

[Mescalero]

Six,
If I pay for the plane ticket, will you come out here & buy my next truck for me?

[Mescalero]

I am not nearly as aggressive as Six, but that is what I did when I bought my 2011 Ranger.
I just walked up to the control room and asked for the manager, he was sitting right there.

[92&94]

I couldn't get a good deal out of a car dealer even if I showed up to rob him - somehow the snake would talk me into giving him his wallet back, with $50 extra

[Mescalero]

[Sixgun]

Six,
If I pay for the plane ticket, will you come out here & buy my next truck for me?

You bet Mes! As long as its your money, I won't have to do no thinking. So I can come out, buy your imported junk, bs some, take a mini tour of NM, stop down and see Griff, and from there shoot on up to Colorado and hang out with my son at his expense. (in your new truck, of course) You can come too and after cleaning out my son's refrigerator and his gun safe, you can drop me off at the Denver airport.

This sounds like fun!

You Southern boys aren't gonna string me up, are you? ------------6

[Griff]

Six,
If I pay for the plane ticket, will you come out here & buy my next truck for me?

You bet Mes! As long as its your money, I won't have to do no thinking. So I can come out, buy your imported junk, bs some, take a mini tour of NM, stop down and see Griff, and from there shoot on up to Colorado and hang out with my son at his expense. (in your new truck, of course) You can come too and after cleaning out my son's refrigerator and his gun safe, you can drop me off at the Denver airport.
This sounds like fun!
You Southern boys aren't gonna string me up, are you? ------------6

I don't know that we can make that type of blanket guaranty.

[Mescalero]

Where do you think my Ranger was imported FROM?
Ford quit making them,don't know what I will do now.

[GoatGuy]

Six,
If I pay for the plane ticket, will you come out here & buy my next truck for me?

You bet Mes! As long as its your money, I won't have to do no thinking. So I can come out, buy your imported junk, bs some, take a mini tour of NM, stop down and see Griff, and from there shoot on up to Colorado and hang out with my son at his expense. (in your new truck, of course) You can come too and after cleaning out my son's refrigerator and his gun safe, you can drop me off at the Denver airport.
This sounds like fun!
You Southern boys aren't gonna string me up, are you? ------------6

I don't know that we can make that type of blanket guaranty.

+ 1, Griff.

[Blaine]

Six,
If I pay for the plane ticket, will you come out here & buy my next truck for me?

You bet Mes! As long as its your money, I won't have to do no thinking. So I can come out, buy your imported junk, bs some, take a mini tour of NM, stop down and see Griff, and from there shoot on up to Colorado and hang out with my son at his expense. (in your new truck, of course) You can come too and after cleaning out my son's refrigerator and his gun safe, you can drop me off at the Denver airport.
This sounds like fun!
You Southern boys aren't gonna string me up, are you? ------------6

I don't know that we can make that type of blanket guaranty.

+ 1, Griff.

Those east coasters just are not safe south of the Mason-Dixon, or west of the Mississippi...

[madman4570]

Oh Blaine!

Tell those dealer Managers out there your best friend, me is going to drive out and see you in your new bought vehicle below.
Unless they want to match this one!

https://www.simmons-rockwell.com/pre-ow ... eMake=Jeep

or

https://www.simmons-rockwell.com/pre-ow ... eMake=Jeep

Like first one best! Think my buddy said that is a 4 door too ??

[Sixgun]

Man, you guys are still mad at us for taking your free labor away during the Civil War.

(I'm staying up here, it's safer, plus we have the guns and ammo to keep the other stuff from floating to the top.........eeeerrrrr.......... the southerners from coming north) -----6

[Mescalero]

Six,
My anscestor left N.M. to the North to fight in the Union cavalry.

[madman4570]

Mine stayed home and looked after all the women.

[Mescalero]

Oh Carp,
Now I know what happened!!

[Sixgun]

Mine were busy tending to their olive groves in Sicily.

The other half were getting ready for the birth of St. Adolf.

[Streetstar]

Mine were busy tending to their olive groves in Sicily.

The other half were getting ready for the birth of St. Adolf.

Whistle while you work ! .... Toot
Hitler was a jerk! ... Toot
Mussolini bit his weenie, now it doesn't work ! ... Toot

[Mescalero]

[Canuck Bob]

Blaine, could I take advantage of your research, please. I own a 2003 TJ and love the truck but it is getting mile'd out. You seem quite happy with the new lineup. I'd be interested in your opinion of the V6 and the vehicle generally in more detail. I'm a real fan of the old straight 6, except the mileage, and worried that the new V6 wouldn't measure up. The slight upsizing seems good but your opinion would be appreciated.

The 4 Door model might suit my family and there are lots of them used locally.

Have you driven an automatic?
How was the gear spacing on that 6 speed?

[Blaine]

Blaine, could I take advantage of your research, please. I own a 2003 TJ and love the truck but it is getting mile'd out. You seem quite happy with the new lineup. I'd be interested in your opinion of the V6 and the vehicle generally in more detail. I'm a real fan of the old straight 6, except the mileage, and worried that the new V6 wouldn't measure up. The slight upsizing seems good but your opinion would be appreciated.

The 4 Door model might suit my family and there are lots of them used locally.

Have you driven an automatic?
How was the gear spacing on that 6 speed?

I have not taken delivery....It's in transit from Portland. The six-speed seems easy to use. The 6th being ultra-overdrive.....around town, it seems like 3rd or 4th is where to keep it.....The onboard computer said I was getting about 23 mpg, American gallon, going down the level road at about 60.....I'll know more after a few thousand miles, if you remind me to get back to you....