Now THIS is a Classic Scout Rifle if there ever was one...

AJMD429 · Post by **AJMD429** » Sun Jul 28, 2013 12:31 am

vancelw · Post by **vancelw** » Sun Jul 28, 2013 12:37 am

AJMD429 wrote:
Link > Garand Scout

Hmm.. Don't they know that the powers that be decided a scout rifle could not be a semi-auto?

I'd love to have a scout rifle set up on a Remington pump rifle. Makes more sense to me than a bolt, especially since the scout rifle format is not intended to be a sniper rifle. I found two brand new Rem pump rifles at a Gander Mountain store once that had the marine nickel finish and were .308. Wish I woulda bought one. Be a perfect hog and bear gun.

samb · Post by **samb** » Sun Jul 28, 2013 1:59 am

I love it Doc!

3leggedturtle · Post by **3leggedturtle** » Sun Jul 28, 2013 2:23 am

[quote= I found two brand new Rem pump rifles at a Gander Mountain store once that had the marine nickel finish and were .308. Wish I woulda bought one. Be a perfect hog and bear gun.[/quote]

With a Garand like that, I could get used to the Picatinny rail.

Would've like to seen a "760" pump like that.

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Sun Jul 28, 2013 2:23 am

Col. Cooper is rolling in his grave....

J Miller · Post by **J Miller** » Sun Jul 28, 2013 9:29 am

That is not a scout rifle. That was, is and always will be a battle rifle. The picaninny rail doesn't change that one bit.

Joe

Pete44ru · Post by **Pete44ru** » Sun Jul 28, 2013 9:37 am

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Scout Rifle = lightweight. .

Garand = heavyweight. .

Garand = Scout Rifle = contra-indicated. .

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Sixgun · Post by **Sixgun** » Sun Jul 28, 2013 10:33 am

What did Jeff Cooper know? He was just a novice!

Well, Jeff was the rifleman of rifleman, that's for sure. Maybe he picked the boltgun over any other action as semi's did not have the accuracy or dependability back in the eighties like they do now. Wait a minute here Sixgun, .............................The Garand is a tank compared to the boltgun, so I'll stick with Jeff's original design.

In fact, there's an article in the new "Rifle" magazine about Jeff and his scout rifles.

But if I did need to pick a semi-auto, it would be an AR with the lighter weight and detachable mags.--------------6

Nath · Post by **Nath** » Sun Jul 28, 2013 10:38 am

Yer cudna' scout wi that!
Too heave'y!

It would be the first thing you'd drop when the going got tough!

Sooner have a Cooey!

N.

Grizz · Post by **Grizz** » Sun Jul 28, 2013 11:04 am

a scout rifle with a 24" barrel ?

Griff · Post by **Griff** » Sun Jul 28, 2013 11:18 am

Really? IMNSHO, a TRADITIONAL scout rifle is more like:

Grizz · Post by **Grizz** » Sun Jul 28, 2013 11:22 am

I nominate this, a winning lottery ticket away from my side:

it's a Colt, what's not to like?

it's a 7.62, what's not to like?

it's a convertable, what's not to like?

if I understand the scout role, then this is my vote...

... G

Malamute · Post by **Malamute** » Sun Jul 28, 2013 11:24 am

vancelw wrote:...Hmm.. Don't they know that the powers that be decided a scout rifle could not be a semi-auto? ...

No particular reason other than no available semi autos were within the weight and caliber parameters of the original idea. I dont think anything has changed in that regard that I've heard of yet.

I think people get too hung up on the "rules", in both critical and positive aspects. It was a concept worked out by Cooper and others ( There was a "scout conference" that went on over several years, that seems to be a surprise to some, and is contrary to their critisism of the idea, but no reason to confuse the issue with facts,...), and has some aspects that some may like, though not every aspect suits every shooter. A gun can be all you want it to be, no reason to be bothered that it isn't something else.

olyinaz · Post by **olyinaz** » Sun Jul 28, 2013 11:38 am

As stated, far too big/heavy. I like it! It's just not a scout rifle.

And regarding Remington pump rifles, you can put quick detach mounts on them in the normal location and leave the iron sights alone. Forward mounted scopes are a serious compromise - no need to do that with the Remington. I do like the Remington in carbine format and with a 1-4X vari scope though, or even an Aimpoint. Just as good as a lever gun really - maybe better.

FWiedner · Post by **FWiedner** » Sun Jul 28, 2013 11:45 am

Nath wrote:Yer cudna' scout wi that!
Too heave'y!

...

N.

Well said, Sir!

jeepnik · Post by **jeepnik** » Sun Jul 28, 2013 12:55 pm

Since another version of a "traditional" scout has been posted. Here's mine.

I was going to post a shot of my Springfield Scout/Squad, but it seems to be gone from photobucket. Hmm.

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Sun Jul 28, 2013 1:12 pm

This is a Scout Rifle. There are many just like it, but, this one is mine.

765x53 · Post by **765x53** » Sun Jul 28, 2013 1:27 pm

Jeff Cooper stated clearly that any action type could be a "Scout" rifle if it met the criteria.
He even opined that a Savage model '99 would be an ideal scout rifle.

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Sun Jul 28, 2013 4:04 pm

765x53 wrote:Jeff Cooper stated clearly that any action type could be a "Scout" rifle if it met the criteria.
He even opined that a Savage model '99 would be an ideal scout rifle.

Yep... especially a C with an "extended" (10rd) mag...

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Sun Jul 28, 2013 4:29 pm

Old Ironsights wrote:
765x53 wrote:Jeff Cooper stated clearly that any action type could be a "Scout" rifle if it met the criteria.
He even opined that a Savage model '99 would be an ideal scout rifle.
Yep... especially a C with an "extended" (10rd) mag...

Yet, look what he carried for himself....

Levers and Autos: When then jam, not if

Post by **Chuck 100 yd** » Sun Jul 28, 2013 4:39 pm

BlaineG , Your example is the best of the bunch.
My scout rifle is a Ruger #1 .270 with 22" barrel.

OldWin · Post by **OldWin** » Sun Jul 28, 2013 5:38 pm

Scouts........some more, some less.

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Sun Jul 28, 2013 6:42 pm

OldWin wrote:Scouts........some more, some less.

Them's real nice.....

BigSky56 · Post by **BigSky56** » Sun Jul 28, 2013 8:29 pm

A 30-30 works for a scout rifle for me light weight, if I was looking for a scout rifle in SA I would grab a ruger mini 30. danny

AJMD429 · Post by **AJMD429** » Sun Jul 28, 2013 8:57 pm

Lots of interesting opinions and 'scout' options discussed. I was not under the impression that Cooper's definition mandated bolt-actions, but just that the contemporary firearms which met his reliability/weight requirements were of that type.

I would go for the Garand in a 'scout' format, personally, except I'd want two changes:

a) a shorter barrel, like a 'tanker' Garand or a Springfield 'Squad Scout' rifle - just over 16"
b) a lighter-weight stock, probably not a 'folder' unless it was really sturdy.

If I wanted something lighter and semiauto I'd go for an AR or a Mini-14, perhaps in 300 Blackout.
If I wanted something non-semi-auto and a levergun, I'd consider a 35 Remington, or perhaps even a 44 Mag, despite the 'range limitations'.
If I wanted something non-semi-auto and a bolt-gun, I'd take.....a short 308 like the Ruger Scout...

vancelw · Post by **vancelw** » Sun Jul 28, 2013 10:47 pm

Malamute wrote:
vancelw wrote:...Hmm.. Don't they know that the powers that be decided a scout rifle could not be a semi-auto? ...

No particular reason other than no available semi autos were within the weight and caliber parameters of the original idea. I dont think anything has changed in that regard that I've heard of yet.

I think people get too hung up on the "rules", in both critical and positive aspects. It was a concept worked out by Cooper and others ( There was a "scout conference" that went on over several years, that seems to be a surprise to some, and is contrary to their critisism of the idea, but no reason to confuse the issue with facts,...), and has some aspects that some may like, though not every aspect suits every shooter. A gun can be all you want it to be, no reason to be bothered that it isn't something else.

Exactly! There are only self imposed rules...except for the busy bodies (magazine writers who have pages to fill) who want to apply their rules to someone else.

As a scout rifle I would not want a lever with a tube magazine, nor a gas operated semi auto. To me a pump action is the easiest to keep on target. If you took all of Rugers Gunsite qualities and applied them to a Remington 760 or 7600, I'd be a buyer

Until then, my 10/22 is the best candidate I have on hand. Or my Just Right Carbine that takes 9mm Glock mags. They both fall short

1894c · Post by **1894c** » Mon Jul 29, 2013 2:01 am

BlaineG wrote:This is a Scout Rifle. There are many just like it, but, this one is mine. 8)

This is a Mossberg Tactical Levergun Scout Rifle. There are many just like it, but, this one AINT' MINE...no way, ever... :(

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FWiedner · Post by **FWiedner** » Mon Jul 29, 2013 6:35 am

30wcf wrote:This is a Mossberg Tactical Levergun Scout Rifle. There are many just like it, but, this one AINT' MINE...no way, ever...
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That thing looks like a pipe wrench with a trigger...

mikld · Post by **mikld** » Mon Jul 29, 2013 10:49 am

Come now fellers, 9 lbs., 8 oz. too heavy fer ya? Mebbe you should use some bearers to tote your stuff. How many soldiers carried that "too heavy" rifle into action?

Molasses · Post by **Molasses** » Mon Jul 29, 2013 12:18 pm

FWiedner wrote:
30wcf wrote:This is a Mossberg Tactical Levergun Scout Rifle. There are many just like it, but, this one AINT' MINE...no way, ever...
mossberg464spx011.jpg
That thing looks like a pipe wrench with a trigger...

Stopped at a gunshop in north/central Wisconsin last winter and ran into the first one of those I'd seen in person. Started guffawing and the counter person set me straight right there. Said it's just the ticket for folks looking for a youth deer gun and they sold 'em as fast as they could get 'em before deer season. That M4-type buttstock adjusts short for a length of pull that'll fit a kid and it can be adjusted longer as they grow and their arms get longer without having to swap out stocks or glue cut-off chunks back on or any of that.
Huh, hadn't thought of it that way before. It's still ugly to my eyes, but I can see where there just may be some utility to it.

Molasses · Post by **Molasses** » Mon Jul 29, 2013 12:57 pm

I'm probably gonna end up regretting this...

Here's how light a real scout rifle is:

Light, short, handy. People that like those characteristics of classic lever action carbines should get the point of that part without any further explanation. Add in good sights, a sling that's useful for something other than a carrying strap without needing time to move hooks and lace into it and in a chambering that can reach far enough to get full benefit from the above...

Nath · Post by **Nath** » Mon Jul 29, 2013 2:19 pm

Few of them sold over here, I wondered myself back when.....

N.

Canuck Bob · Post by **Canuck Bob** » Mon Jul 29, 2013 11:22 pm

The traditional scout is the Lee Enfield No.5. Peep sight, 10 shots, short and handy, loaded with strippers, it only predated useable scopes but sure looks like the prototype scout concept.

AJMD429 · Post by **AJMD429** » Wed Aug 28, 2013 5:52 pm

If you already have the Garand, Ultimak sells the mount...

http://ultimak.com/m12.htm

FWiedner · Post by **FWiedner** » Wed Aug 28, 2013 6:05 pm

My version of the "traditional":

3leggedturtle · Post by **3leggedturtle** » Wed Aug 28, 2013 6:05 pm

BigSky56 wrote:A 30-30 works for a scout rifle for me light weight, if I was looking for a scout rifle in SA I would grab a ruger mini 30. danny

Had a SS Mini-30. The Wolf ammo primers were too hard. About 40% wouldn't fire the 1st time. Tho 2nd time around they were 100% found out after I traded it for a Puma 45 there were fixes for it.

rimrock · Post by **rimrock** » Wed Aug 28, 2013 7:01 pm

I ain't scoutin for ya. you cross the magic line where the old indian trick white flag is at known distance and I'm bustin' ya in the chops. Don't trespass on my land is all I'm sayin!!!

AJMD429 · Post by **AJMD429** » Wed Aug 28, 2013 8:30 pm

Gotta admit, though there's always a "good reason" to need another rifle or carbine, this is one of the first firearms I ever bought, and is about as good a "Scout Rifle" as I'd ever really need...

I had my 'YK' slippers in the photo to go along with the truly 'traditional' look...

OldWin · Post by **OldWin** » Thu Aug 29, 2013 12:55 am

AJMD429 wrote:If you already have the Garand, Ultimak sells the mount...

http://ultimak.com/m12.htm

I have two of the Ultimak's. One on my M1A Scout and one on an Inland M1 carbine. They are a quality unit. Nothing is lower or works better in my opinion.
I also have an XS Leverscout on a 94 trapper .44. It worked pretty well but is best used with a red dot on a 16" .44.

madman4570 · Post by **madman4570** » Thu Aug 29, 2013 6:39 am

Myself being a plain simple mountain/tree loving boy-----------------a scout gun for me is my tiny 4.0lb Sub2000 .40S&W(w/tiny green laser/open sights)folded up and stuffed in my "little" camo backpack while I be moseying on down the log road chewing on a sweet piece of birch bark.

Do love those M1 shooters though!

buckeyeshooter · Post by **buckeyeshooter** » Thu Aug 29, 2013 9:02 am

Grizz wrote:I nominate this, a winning lottery ticket away from my side:

it's a Colt, what's not to like?

it's a 7.62, what's not to like?

it's a convertable, what's not to like?

if I understand the scout role, then this is my vote...

... G

It's UGLY! The Garand is not.

AJMD429 · Post by **AJMD429** » Wed Sep 11, 2013 8:45 pm

Ha...! Now there's a Little Brother for it . . .

http://www.fulton-armory.com/fultonarmo ... 1-2-1.aspx

Fulton Armory: http://www.fulton-armory.com/carbineuscal30m1-1.aspx