gcburt

[Mescalero]

In my scheme of things, for a while now and for the foreseeable future; the Marlin Camp.45ACP has taken the place of the short barreled shotgun.
It is short, light, fires a pistol cartridge of some substance.
In the case of your torn rotator cup, shooting mine is very simular to shooting my Ruger10-22.
The heft of the carbine and semi- automatic action make recoil negligable.

[Sixgun]

I'll agree. You can rip up some stuff with them in short order and they are cheap enough that you don't have to worry about keeping it dent/ding/rust free. I've shot a few but they were not mine.

I passed on one of them several months ago, regretting it. I could have had it for 4.

Out of curiosity, are they blowback or do they have some kind of a gas system?-------------6

[gcburt]

I have a 9mm carbine with a red-dot-sight that I finally zeroed last Friday. Not bad to shoot - put about 50 rounds through it in the zeroing and followup process without too much bother to my sholder.

But I did enjoy the Marlin 410 even though it wasn't the short model.

Looking in this area there was a Winchester 9410 Camp for $1K in the classifieds for a while.

Hasn't been a Marlin in the classifieds. A dealer in the area has a Rossi 410 lever 20 in barrel for just under $500.

[Mescalero]

Blowback as far as I can tell.

[jeepnik]

I've been keeping my eye out for one, that isn't outrageously priced, for some time. That'll teach me to procrastinate.

[Mescalero]

jeepnik,
Trust a fellow 1917 S&W shooter.......... you won't regret it.

[Blaine]

A friend has the KelTec .45 carbine.....He seems more than pleased with it....

[jeepnik]

jeepnik,
Trust a fellow 1917 S&W shooter.......... you won't regret it.

I fired a friends. But he won't sell.

[Mescalero]

Does not mean he is not a friend............ just that he knows what he has.
I will not sell mine either.

[damienph]

jeepnik,
Trust a fellow 1917 S&W shooter.......... you won't regret it.

I fired a friends. But he won't sell.

Oh yeah, my 1937 Brazilian contract is a pretty good shooter. I am trying to work up loads for 250gr gas checks - just because...

[Mescalero]

Is that a Brazilian Navy gun?

[damienph]

The Brazilians were a police contract in 1937; blued S&W 1917 models with the Brazilian national crest with the date 1937 above it. 5" barrel, fixed sight, 45ACP. Same as 1917 S&W N frame, sold surplus in USA in 1988 or so.

[Mescalero]

Mine is the Navy model,
little of the original remains.
But with a 6" bull barrel,
Bo-Mar rib,trigger & hammer widened,
no trigger work, it was great as it came

[damienph]

Mine is the Navy model,
little of the original remains.
But with a 6" bull barrel,
Bo-Mar rib,trigger & hammer widened,
no trigger work, it was great as it came

I don't think that I know what the Navy model is. Is it like the 1937 except with different markings? For export or national use?

[Mescalero]

Seems I remember the advertisement said they were issued to Brazil navy, the rust on it seemed to confirm exposure to salt air.

[jeepnik]

Does not mean he is not a friend............ just that he knows what he has.
I will not sell mine either.

So, how about putting me in you will?

[jeepnik]

Since we've drifted into 1917 territory, mines a 1937 contract. It has, without a doubt, the best trigger of any revolver I own, and that includes some that have been smithed. Other than taking it apart and completely cleaning it, the only changes were some new grips and a new front sight. I've never liked the old ones S&W put on fixed sighted guns. It has whatever finish was left on it when I got it, a few dings here and there, so folks don't suspect what hides under it's skin. More than a few have been pleasantly surprised when they've fire it.

[AJMD429]

There are several 'classic' pistol-caliber carbines we all know and they tend to get all the fame and glory.

• The 9mm (and 45 ACP) Uzi
  The 9mm Colt AR-15
  The 45 ACP Thompson

But over the years I've opted for some different ones for the following reasons:

• The 9mm Calico 900/950 - 'pistol' version not much bigger than Uzi and the compact magazines hold either 50 or 100 rounds vs. the bulky 'stick' magazines of the Uzi. Downside is they are undoubtedly more fragile than the Uzi, which is made of a total of about six surplus bulldozer-parts, but I seldom parachute into enemy territory anymore, and shoot far more tennis balls and tin cans than bad-guys.
  
  The 9mm Ruger Carbine - same size as 10/22, slightly heavier than M1 Carbine, equally durable and very accurate. Made in 40 S&W also, and both versions use same magazines as Ruger pistols, including extra-long high-capacity ones if desired. Only downside I can see is they are no longer made, but certainly vs. the 9mm AR's, they are way more ergonomic, and hold more rounds in a more compact magazine. More reliable too, as far as I can tell.
  
  The 45 ACP Marlin Camp Carbine - similar to the Ruger carbine, and the only 'weak points' I see are you have to make sure you tip up the 'feed ramp' when you reassemble it, and an aftermarket buffer will last longer than the factory ones. Uses regular and 'extended' 1911 magazines. Definitely not the 'classic' the Thompson is, but far handier to tote, and when scoped you can see they are quite accurate.

When they were available, one could get a Calico, Ruger Carbine, and Marlin Camp Carbine for not much more than the cost of any one of the 'famous three'.

As far as 'collectability' give me a Thompson, M1 Carbine, and maybe even the 9mm AR, but as far as 'shootability' and 'affordability' give me the underdogs any day.

[Blaine]

I spoke in error...My Friend's carbine is a HiPoint, not a KelTec...

[jeepnik]

AJMD mentions one "carbine" I've dithered over for years. That would be the Thompson. The real reason for wanting one is that it's what, albeit in the full auto model, what my dad carried during WWII. But, they are HEAVY (GI's in WWII carried some heavy weapons, and I mean weight wise) weapons. Granted I wouldn't be carrying it all day and mile after mile (though neither did dad, he was an armored troop). But there is a strong appeal.

It would make one heck of a home defense firearm with a big ole drum hung underneath. That outlaw biker gang or zombies would think twice before taking you on.

[Machado]

The Brazilians were a police contract in 1937; blued S&W 1917 models with the Brazilian national crest with the date 1937 above it. 5" barrel, fixed sight, 45ACP. Same as 1917 S&W N frame, sold surplus in USA in 1988 or so.

damienph, two contracts were made with S&W to supply .45s to Brazil: one in 1937 for the 1917 model, the other for the Minas Gerais State Military Police, for M-1950 .45s. They're both very good guns. The 1917 is better made, though. A soft lead 230 grain bullet @ 800 fps does wonders in social abatement efforts.
Antonio

[damienph]

The Brazilians were a police contract in 1937; blued S&W 1917 models with the Brazilian national crest with the date 1937 above it. 5" barrel, fixed sight, 45ACP. Same as 1917 S&W N frame, sold surplus in USA in 1988 or so.

damienph, two contracts were made with S&W to supply .45s to Brazil: one in 1937 for the 1917 model, the other for the Minas Gerais State Military Police, for M-1950 .45s. They're both very good guns. The 1917 is better made, though. A soft lead 230 grain bullet @ 800 fps does wonders in social abatement efforts.
Antonio

Thanks for the info Antonio, I was only aware of the 1937s. I am correct that they were purchased to be issued to Police?

[Machado]

[/quote]
Thanks for the info Antonio, I was only aware of the 1937s. I am correct that they were purchased to be issued to Police?[/quote]

The M-1950s were purchased to be issued to the State Military Police. The 1917s were issued to the Army and made available to officers for individual purchase. Ditto for the Colt 1911A1, in 3 contracts: 1937, 1942 and 1950.
Best,
Antonio

[olyinaz]

The 9mm Ruger Carbine - same size as 10/22, slightly heavier than M1 Carbine, equally durable and very accurate. Made in 40 S&W also, and both versions use same magazines as Ruger pistols, including extra-long high-capacity ones if desired. Only downside I can see is they are no longer made, but certainly vs. the 9mm AR's, they are way more ergonomic, and hold more rounds in a more compact magazine. More reliable too, as far as I can tell.

I had the Ruger carbine in .40 S&W and I can't agree re. weight - I think they're much heavier than a 10/22 but I supposed the .40 is heavier than the 9mm since the bolt has to soak up more recoil energy. I also can't agree re. magazines - 9mm AR mags are high cap but Rugers only come in 15 or 10 rd variants and if you opt for aftermarket high caps for the Ruger reliability goes out the window. Nor can I agree re. ergonomics, many of us like pistol grips and like the ergonomics of an AR - but I had no problem with my Ruger, it was simply too heavy and ungainly vs. the .40 S&W Just Right Carbine that I replaced it with. So I don't think there's anything "certain" about your opinions here but rather they are exactly that - your opinions. Other's mileage may vary.

I love pistol caliber carbines, with a Winchester 92 or clone perhaps being my favorite!