Remington 405gr. Bulk Bullets for the 45/70?

Lastmohecken · Post by **Lastmohecken** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 8:49 pm

I ordered 500 of these Remington 405 gr jacketed soft points from Cabela's tonight. I had a gift card from a safety award, at work, that I needed to use up.

My question is Do those bullets have a canulure for crimping? It didn't say in the catalog but now it seems I remember reading on this board, that they did not have one.

Could someone clear this up for me?

Jeff Quinn · Post by **Jeff Quinn** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 8:50 pm

They do.

Lastmohecken · Post by **Lastmohecken** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 9:16 pm

Jeff Quinn wrote:They do.

Thanks, I was hoping they did, I guess it was some other 45/70 bullet that I was reading about, that did not.

Jayhawker · Post by **Jayhawker** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 9:28 pm

I thought the Remington 405s had to be crimped on the very slight shoulder for the 45-70, not much of a cannelure there if I remember correctly. I can't recall for sure because I've used the Speer 400 bullet pretty much exclusively for a while now.

Found an image on Midway's web site.
http://www.midwayusa.com/mediasvr.dll/i ... mid=865503

I believe you have to crimp on the front shoulder as the cannelures are set for some other cartridge, 458 Win perhaps?

sureshot · Post by **sureshot** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 9:30 pm

The 405gr Remington bullets actually have 2 cannelures, so you can adjust your OAL to suit the rifle a bit.
Steve

mark · Post by **mark** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 9:34 pm

Do those bullets have a canulure for crimping?

Yes, but not where you want it to keep the OAL within specification.

I have 250 or so upstairs in my reloading room, maybe Remington have changed them?.

I use them in a Marlin XLR, they are accurate and kill well.

To secure them in the case I use a Lee FCD, very effective.

Cheers

Mark

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 9:45 pm

Those don't mean much to me.......I crimp them where ever the OAL comes in at and use the Lee Factory Die Crimp.....a nice heavy crimp.

Leverdude · Post by **Leverdude** » Sat Mar 15, 2008 10:11 pm

Yeah, the cannalure is useless. I use a Lee FC die at that shoulder. They never moved on me but I dont load them very hot at all.

Lastmohecken · Post by **Lastmohecken** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 12:11 pm

It sounds like I need to get a factory crimp die or two. I am a little confused as to why Remington would put two canulures on a bullet special made for the 45/70 and neither one would be correct. I think that one of them would duplicate the over all length for factory ammo.

But of course if you guys are wanting custom OALs then of course I recond they would be in the wrong place.

Leverdude · Post by **Leverdude** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 1:08 pm

If you look at Remingtons factory ammo they put a crimp under the base of the bullet to keep it from pushing into the case. I'm a little baffled about the cannalure position too but I guess it dont matter to them due to their procedure.

cas · Post by **cas** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 9:04 pm

The answer is yes and no. There are two cannelures to help with neck tension, but you don't crimp into them. (of course you could with a single shot with a long throat). The bullet has a slight shoulder to crimp over as the others have said.

Lastmohecken · Post by **Lastmohecken** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 7:22 pm

OK, I see everyone's point. I have a box of factory 405's and I see the crimp under the base of the bullet. I was wanting to load these pretty hot, in my 1886 and probably my 450 Alaskan, will the Lee FC die be enough to hold the bullets in place, when approching 2000 fps or more? Of did I mess up buying these bullets for that use?

cas · Post by **cas** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 8:55 pm

With good neck tension and a solid crimp you should be fine.