For those in Illinois...action needed!

[alnitak]

I'll post it here to get the attention of all in Illinois for immediate action, and refrain from comment so it doesn't get moved to politics...

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/0 ... -firearms/

[AJMD429]

It should probably be in 'politics' anyway, to avoid offending the Ostrich's who think that if they just are allowed to keep playing with their antique leverguns, all else is just fine, but I'll say this... I'm GLAD to see such laws being proposed, because it might wake up the 79,990,000 of 80,000,000 "sportsmen" who happen to own guns to the fact that there are those in power who want to create a police-state.

Hobie has to do the right thing, and avoid 'offending' the Ostrich's who just want to enjoy their retirement by playing with their beautiful walnut and blued-steel leverguns, blissfully ignoring what's going on 'politically'. I support him wholeheartedly in that, and I actually DO share the disappointment of the 'ostrich' members that our fine and harmless hobby of 'leverguns' has to be polluted with the harsh and unpleasant reality of dealing with anti-gun forces who are only too happy to 'allow' us our leverguns as a token gift to pacify us while they remove the 'assault' weapons from everyone else. While I understand and agree with the separation of 'politics' into another section of the forum (so at least even those of us who are 'legislatively active' can sometimes just take a refreshing break and ENJOY real 'leverguns' topics), I cannot mask my anger at all the head-in-the-sand 'sportsmen' who fail to be legislatively active to protect the EBR's...if all 80 million 'gun owners' got aggressively active in the political scene, we'd easily win the battle of 'gun control' and it would help make our streets safer and our society more stable. What we're facing is thus as much their fault for not aggressively resisting it, as it is the fault of the police-state socialists who push their agenda. If each legislator got EIGHTY MILLION letters telling him/her that 'gun control' was not an issue we were ok with 'compromise' on, it WOULD make an impression.

I guess I'm just more a rebel than a 'sportsman', but I'd think any legislator who even PROPOSES such laws should be immediately removed from office; they have violated their oath of office as much as a Catholic Nun who decided to become prostitute and use the proceeds to fund a devil-worshiping cult.

The fact that there aren't protests in the streets and an active and immediate effort to recall that legislator and remove him from office, is evidence that we are a society no longer deserving of Liberty. Too bad some of use still value it, yet are outnumbered by the sheep.

[Blaine]

It should probably be in 'politics' anyway, to avoid offending the Ostrich's who think that if they just are allowed to keep playing with their antique leverguns, all else is just fine, but I'll say this... I'm GLAD to see such laws being proposed, because it might wake up the 79,990,000 if 80,000,000 "sportsmen" who happen to own guns to the fact that there are those in power who want to create a police-state.

I guess I'm just more a rebel than a 'sportsman', but I'd think any legislator who even PROPOSES such laws should be immediately removed from office; they have violated their oath of office as much as a Catholic Nun who decided to become prostitute and use the proceeds to fund a devil-worshiping cult.

The fact that there aren't protests in the streets and an active and immediate effort to recall that legislator and remove him from office, is evidence that we are a society no longer deserving of Liberty. Too bad some of use still value it, yet are outnumbered by the sheep.

I would be fascinated to see some pics of all the Pro-2nd Amendment rallies you've attended

[AJMD429]

I would be fascinated to see some pics of all the Pro-2nd Amendment rallies you've attended

I write my state and federal legislators about four times a year, and have helped organize mass-appearances of pro-gunners at city and county legislative hearings in five different cities that I've lived in over the years. For every dollar I spend on ammunition or firearms or scopes, I send an equivalent amount to either GunOwners.org, SAF/CCRKBA, the NRA/NRA-ILA, or JPFO. That eats into my 'gun/fun' budget, but I feel it helps make up for all the 'sportsmen' who save up for a Leupold to replace their perfectly-serviceable Tasco, then whine that they don't have enough money to join/renew their NRA membership. I was a co-founder of Doctors for Sensible Gun Laws, but the other membership got complacent after the Clinton 'AW ban' expired, and the SAF absorbed our 'group' into the KeepAndBearArms website when Angel Shamaya transferred it to them.

When I used to set up tables at gun-shows to provide FREE letters to attendees, custom-written to whatever legislators were in their zip-code, and pertaining to whatever issues were current, VERY few of the folks coming to the gun-show to spend hundreds or thousands of dollars were willing to pay even the postage for letters we'd print up for them. Less than ten per cent of them even knew who their legislators were, even though they'd insist that they "write them all the time".

Round up 1,000 "gun owners" and I'll wager you'll have maybe five or ten at most who have EVER done anything remotely active politically to protect the Second Amendment.

Anyway, I don't want to take up too much of your time reading my justification for my existence, because I'm sure you were in the midst of writing either your legislators or the local newspaper.

Do we need to do some other kind of metric to compare worthiness...???

[El Chivo]

what is this, another soapbox for you to crow about your superiority over the rest of us? I guess we don't have to bother because you do so much. Don't sprain your arm patting yourself on the back.

[Blaine]

Well, I don't feel the need to enumerate my efforts, nor should anyone else, Doc...As our erstwhile buddy Bestlever used to say, "It's hard to look up to anybody that's looking down at you"......

Anyway, I don't want to take up too much of your time reading my justification for my existence, because I'm sure you were in the midst of writing either your legislators or the local newspaper.

See the above

[AJMD429]

what is this, another soapbox for you to crow about your superiority over the rest of us? I guess we don't have to bother because you do so much. Don't sprain your arm patting yourself on the back.

The original post was about a draconian gun law in Illinois, and as alnitak noted, it had to be posted in the "general" section to get some of the Ostrich folks to even see it. That fact alone should be a bit of a wake-up call to us ALL; sorry if it disturbs anyone's slumber.

I only enumerated what I've done because BlaineG seemed to be eager to see some sort of 'proof' that I have done anything myself to protect the Second Amendment; he wants to be sure I'm not just all-brag-and-no-fact - it's all fact, but since I'm human, a bit of 'brag' is admittedly sprinkled in there.

ALL of those who are trying to do their part, however grand or minimal, deserve the gratitude of all gun owners (and other citizens as well) - not ridicule, and I'm not trying to be 'superior' at all, but I think it is obvious that there are quite a few essentially useless gun owners out there when it comes to preserving our freedom; hopefully more of those freeloaders and ostriches will wake up and participate in the political process while it is still functional to some degree.

BlaineG was right to 'call me out' on the issue, and I don't mind providing 'evidence' that I've done my part. Nor will I ridicule anyone else's efforts if they aren't as 'grand and glorious' as mine, however there are MANY gun owners who have made ZERO effort to protect firearms freedoms in the U.S. To them - if the shoe fits, they should wear it.

[alnitak]

All, I ask that you please refrain from any more posts in this thread to allow everyone on the forum to see it. My original post was meant to be a "Public Service Announcement" ... not a discussion starter.

[alnitak]

Further information...

http://www.prisonplanet.com/gun-ranges- ... -bill.html

http://www.nraila.org/legislation/state ... rnoon.aspx

[Birdman]

I posted this in the politics section but I figure I should copy it here too.

The bills were pulled from the floor so there would not be a vote today. A few Dem/Communist senators were out of office today and they were afraid they would not have the votes to pass this. Plus, there was a HUGH grass roots campaign of phone calls and e-mails to the senate offices. As I was told it was a landslide of pro gun calls that scared the livin ---- out of any of the fence setters. Congratulations for the short notice mobilization of everyone in the state who made calls and wrote letters. This ain't over but we took alot of wind out of the anti-freedom senators. I think the game plan was to come in on the first day after the recess and get this passed before we (gun owners) could get the word out. That was a bad decision and now maybe all the gun owners who didn't think that their shotgun, levergun, revolver or singleshot would ever be on the chopping block found out the hard way. As most of us know, the commies want to totally disarm the American public and now between DiFi in the U.S. Senate, and what is going on in Illinois at the state level, I hope that ALL gun owners unite and start standing up to the gun grabbers.

[1894cfan]

bad times could happen a bit earlier than Finstein intended, starting in IL.!

[Sixgun]

That eats into my 'gun/fun' budget, but I feel it helps make up for all the 'sportsmen' who save up for a Leupold to replace their perfectly-serviceable Tasco, then whine that they don't have enough money to join/renew their NRA membership. I was a co-founder of Doctors for Sensible Gun Laws.

When I used to set up tables at gun-shows to provide FREE letters to attendees, custom-written to whatever legislators were in their zip-code, and pertaining to whatever issues were current, VERY few of the folks coming to the gun-show to spend hundreds or thousands of dollars were willing to pay even the postage for letters we'd print up for them. Less than ten per cent of them even knew who their legislators were, even though they'd insist that they "write them all the time".

Round up 1,000 "gun owners" and I'll wager you'll have maybe five or ten at most who have EVER done anything remotely active politically to protect the Second Amendment.

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Doc,
You are doing more than your part. Relax. I believe your words.

I agree with you 62,000,000% on most gun owners. I have been at matches where some guys will have $1,000/$2,000/whatever guns, along with $40,000 pick-up trucks and then they tell the match director, when paying their entry fee, "sorry, I can't provide my NRA number because I don't belong to it. My big mouth has gotten me labeled as a nut because I tell them, "Hey AH, why don't you hit the road".

My best bud owns the largest retail--factory direct gunshop this side of the Mississippi and regularly tells me the horror stories of customers. Most gunowners are cheap....I don't mean thrifty..........I mean cheap. I could fill up 8 million bandwidth of computer space with examples. But.........when their wife tells them, "We are going to Burmuda for 2 weeks, so have your 5K ready", they hurry to save $$ as any arguement might jeopardize the tin roof over their head or
a registered letter from a divorce lawyer.

The OVERWHELMING majority of gunowners are pu***es. When "The Man" tells them to "turn 'em in", they will meekly load ALL of their guns in their imported cars/trucks and gladly accept whatever "The Man" has decided to compensate them for their guns.

This all happened in the 1930's in Germany. People meekly did whatever "The Man" told them to do. I see the exact atmosphere here as was then. I heard the stories from a person who lived through that-------my mother

---------------------------------Sixgun

[DBW]

An interesting read on Germany's gun control way back when...

http://www.stephenhalbrook.com/article-nazilaw.pdf

Aside that manufacture and sales are similar between Germany of then and the US today...It seems that the difference between Germany then and the US today, is that enemies of Germany were prohibited to have firearms, whereas Germans could (much like many of us carry with state issued permits).

Here in the US if gun control become the edict from above... only government will have the firearms. Slight difference.

[Blaine]

An interesting read on Germany's gun control way back when...

http://www.stephenhalbrook.com/article-nazilaw.pdf

Aside that manufacture and sales are similar between Germany of then and the US today...It seems that the difference between Germany then and the US today, is that enemies of Germany were prohibited to have firearms, whereas Germans could (much like many of us carry with state issued permits).

Here in the US if gun control become the edict from above... only government will have the firearms. Slight difference.

I can think of some they won't get Molon Labe

[Sixgun]

An interesting read on Germany's gun control way back when...
Aside that manufacture and sales are similar between Germany of then and the US today...It seems that the difference between Germany then and the US today, is that enemies of Germany were prohibited to have firearms, whereas Germans could (much like many of us carry with state issued permits).
Here in the US if gun control become the edict from above... only government will have the firearms. Slight difference.

That was a very interesting read. I can see that by the time the Nazis took full control in 1933, there were very little guns left in anybodies hands.----------Sixgun

[Blaine]

An interesting read on Germany's gun control way back when...
Aside that manufacture and sales are similar between Germany of then and the US today...It seems that the difference between Germany then and the US today, is that enemies of Germany were prohibited to have firearms, whereas Germans could (much like many of us carry with state issued permits).
Here in the US if gun control become the edict from above... only government will have the firearms. Slight difference.

That was a very interesting read. I can see that by the time the Nazis took full control in 1933, there were very little guns left in anybodies hands.----------Sixgun

This was back when Jews were very docile, and peace loving. Many were in Germany because of the many pogroms in Russia/USSR. If every Jew in Europe had a Mauser and a thousand rounds of ammo, Hitler would have never made it off the ground....

[Mescalero]

What does a guy with a bolt action need with a thousand rounds?

[Blaine]

What does a guy with a bolt action need with a thousand rounds?

I don't know...I keep a couple hundred .22 Long Rifle around. I usually just buy it as I need it

[Mescalero]

?
Don't you remember about my 6.5x55mm.

[Blaine]

?
Don't you remember about my 6.5x55mm.

Yes....1000 ready to go, and fixin's for thousands more.....