Any 76 owners?

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Thu Apr 12, 2012 9:35 am

I have another question, on some of these repo guns it`s been stated that you may not have to thin the 45-70 cases to work.
I was thinking about loading up a few rounds as the gun won`t be here until next week. Question will a 45-70 case that i thin the rim on shoot ok in a gun that a un thinned case will fit in or will there be a head space problem.

Grizzly Adams · Post by **Grizzly Adams** » Thu Apr 12, 2012 9:47 am

Pitchy wrote:As not to take this topic about loads over to cas and away from here i`d like to continue the discussion about different loads. I see over there some are using the 405 grain bullet with no problems.
My Lee 405 grain flat nose mold drops bullets at 392 grains using wheel weights and a little lynotype.
I may try this bullet starting with a charge of 32.0 grains of 3031 which should be mild.
If anyone has any thoughts or suggestions please chime in.

A 300 grain bullet was the standard for the 1876. With the advent of the new (stronger) repros, folks have experimented with the heavier bullets, and, at least in terms of the Uberti rifles, have had good success with the 405. Uberti uses the same barrel (bore/twist rate) on their 45 caliber 76s as they do on their 45-70 arms. I am not sure about the twist on the Chappy.

As to the rim question; That depends on how close the rifle has been set up, and how much you have thinned the rims on your cases. I think I would wait to you have the rifle in hand and see where you are.

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Thu Apr 12, 2012 9:52 am

As to the rim question; That depends on how close the rifle has been set up, and how much you have thinned the rims on your cases. I think I would wait to you have the rifle in hand and see where you are.

Will do, thank you sir.

KirkD · Post by **KirkD** » Thu Apr 12, 2012 10:00 am

Pitchy, PM sent. Regarding your rim thickness if the new '76 will take a 45-70 rim ........ you can tell by the last bit of lever closure. Too thick a rim and you will have to put a lot of pressure on that lever to close it (which will not be good for your action at all ....... something will stretch or give). To thin a rim and the lever will close with barely any pressure at all. That is not necessarily a problem unless the result is excessive head space, in which case you might notice your primers backing out a wee bit. It might be better to wait until your '76 arrives and then try out your rim thickness.

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Thu Apr 12, 2012 10:23 am

KirkD wrote:Pitchy, PM sent. Regarding your rim thickness if the new '76 will take a 45-70 rim ........ you can tell by the last bit of lever closure. Too thick a rim and you will have to put a lot of pressure on that lever to close it (which will not be good for your action at all ....... something will stretch or give). To thin a rim and the lever will close with barely any pressure at all. That is not necessarily a problem unless the result is excessive head space, in which case you might notice your primers backing out a wee bit. It might be better to wait until your '76 arrives and then try out your rim thickness.

Got it and thanks, getting anxious i guess, i`ll wait till i get the rifle and take it from there.
Thanks pard.

hayabusa · Post by **hayabusa** » Fri Apr 13, 2012 2:10 am

Pitchy, I ordered the loading supplies from Buffalo Arms Co. on 4/10/12 over the phone. They were delivered bu USPS today 4/12/12. Everything as ordered. Great service! Made up two dummy rounds And they loaded & cycled fine. Now I will have to make time to put together a load.
Hope you have a fine time with yours.
Hayabusa

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Fri Apr 13, 2012 5:46 pm

hayabusa wrote:Pitchy, I ordered the loading supplies from Buffalo Arms Co. on 4/10/12 over the phone. They were delivered bu USPS today 4/12/12. Everything as ordered. Great service! Made up two dummy rounds And they loaded & cycled fine. Now I will have to make time to put together a load.
Hope you have a fine time with yours.
Hayabusa

Cool, keep us posted , hope all goes well.

Can`t wait till next week, i hate waiting to see if i`m getting something good, shouldn`t be that way.

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Sat Apr 14, 2012 11:00 am

How nice is this, got these bullets and article on the 76 from Shasta in the mail today.
Thanks bro

coyote nose · Post by **coyote nose** » Sat Apr 14, 2012 9:21 pm

definitely some high class people on this forum!!!

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Mon Apr 16, 2012 8:05 pm

Just got a call, the 76 is in so will go have a look see tomorrow.

Shasta · Post by **Shasta** » Mon Apr 16, 2012 9:08 pm

Probably gonna be a long night for you!

I'm looking forward to your report.

SHASTA

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Tue Apr 17, 2012 5:01 pm

Boys i tell ya i`m real impressed with this rifle, fit and finish is perfect, the wood is walnut with a dark satan finish.
After messing around trimming a handfull of 45-70 cases to work i shot it a few times at 30 yards, last shot was dead center in a two inch circle.
I`ll post a better range report in a day or two.
Had to thin the rims two .62 to work in this gun, might be a guy that has some factory ammo for it, going to check on that.

KirkD · Post by **KirkD** » Tue Apr 17, 2012 7:29 pm

Wooeee! That is one beautiful rifle. By the way, it is a 'satin' finish, not 'Satan' finish. A satan finish would be one wicked gun for sure!

.45colt · Post by **.45colt** » Tue Apr 17, 2012 7:37 pm

Very nice Pard, it will come in handy when them hostiles make a nuther attack.

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Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Tue Apr 17, 2012 7:46 pm

Having a little trouble with loading, i`m using a 292 grain bullet, lyman mold number 457191 and crimping in top groove.
I trimmed the case to 1.81 but that makes the overall length to long.
I`m going to have to trim the cases to 1.75 to make the OAL right at 2.25.
Will shortening the case that much raise pressures too much?
The loads i shot today were 35 grains of 3031.

Shasta · Post by **Shasta** » Tue Apr 17, 2012 9:50 pm

Nice rifle Pitchy. Way better than what I have heard about the Chaparral, so that's a good thing. I responded to your PM, but for the sake of those following this thread I will repeat it here. My .45-60 is Uberti made and does require thinning of the rims. I am using the Lyman 457191 exactly the same as the ones I sent you. My brass is trimmed short at 1.81" and the bullet seated at the top of the last grease groove giving an overall length of 2.27". These cycle through my rifle easily.

As best I can measure with my dial caliper, the bullet measures .450" from nose to top of first grease groove. With brass trimmed at 1.81" ,adding .450" makes 2.26" overall loaded length, so my above mentioned 2.27" may represent slight stretching of the brass after several loadings, but still OK in my gun. I'm not sure why the additional .060" needs to be trimmed to fit your rifle. Velocity testing over a chronograph, as well as careful study of fired cases would help determine any pressure problems. I've not tried 3031 powder, but Reloader 7 and IMR 4198 both work well in my rifle.

SHASTA

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Wed Apr 18, 2012 6:31 am

Thanks gents, i`ll get her tuned in shortly.

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Wed Apr 18, 2012 1:49 pm

Got all my cases prepared, painted the ends red to distinguish them from the 45-70`s.

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Wed Apr 18, 2012 6:34 pm

Not much for sight adjustment on the 76 is there for 100 yards and under, mine shoots about dead on at 50 but i`m sure its going to be low at 100.
Took a couple shots at my 100 gong and missed

but i`m going to put a big target up and shoot from a good rest.
Thoughts?

Shasta · Post by **Shasta** » Wed Apr 18, 2012 7:03 pm

Pitchy,

Get yourself one of the newer style Marble's Improved tang sights that you can change the stems on.

http://www.buffaloarms.com/Detail.aspx? ... 1&CAT=4093

I'd try the midrange stem:

http://www.buffaloarms.com/Detail.aspx? ... 7&CAT=4093

The 1876 .45-60 is not a flat shooting round, so plenty of sight elevation is needed to reach out past 100 yards. I had good success with the Marble's, and even better with an MVA vernier tang, but that MVA is spendy at near $300.

SHASTA

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Wed Apr 18, 2012 7:08 pm

I don`t want to drill and tap the tang at this point but thanks for the info.
Those bullets ya sent are dandy, loaded up 50 today with 34 grains of 3031, tomorrow i`m going see what it does.

Shasta · Post by **Shasta** » Wed Apr 18, 2012 7:23 pm

No drilling? OK, this is the next best alternative:

http://www.buffaloarms.com/Detail.aspx? ... 4&CAT=4077

Either way, a taller rear sight is the answer.

SHASTA

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Wed Apr 18, 2012 7:40 pm

That`s the sight that came on the rifle

But there`s quite a jump between the buckhorn and the lowest setting on the ladder.
I don`t know what it will do until tomorrow.

coyote nose · Post by **coyote nose** » Wed Apr 18, 2012 10:32 pm

My chaparral came with tang sight holes, are you sure yours isnt?

kimwcook · Post by **kimwcook** » Thu Apr 19, 2012 4:21 am

Nice rifle there, Pitchy. I've always drooled over them.

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Thu Apr 19, 2012 6:07 am

Thanks Kim, its heavy but a pleasant shooter.

coyote nose, it has one small screw forward, rear one is the stock screw.
Do they use the stock screw for one of them.

hfcable · Post by **hfcable** » Thu Apr 19, 2012 10:40 am

Pitchy wrote:Thanks Kim, its heavy but a pleasant shooter.

coyote nose, it has one small screw forward, rear one is the stock screw.
Do they use the stock screw for one of them.

yes, but you need a longer rear stock screw to accomadate the tang sight base; tang sights work best for my eyes and sure look good on the 76.

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Thu Apr 19, 2012 10:53 am

hfcable wrote:
Pitchy wrote:Thanks Kim, its heavy but a pleasant shooter.

coyote nose, it has one small screw forward, rear one is the stock screw.
Do they use the stock screw for one of them.
yes, but you need a longer rear stock screw to accomadate the tang sight base; tang sights work best for my eyes and sure look good on the 76.

I have a couple of the venier sights for my sharps but i like the ladder sight on this gun. It`s far enough ahead that i can focus on it clearly so i`ll see how i shoot with it.

Shasta · Post by **Shasta** » Sun Apr 29, 2012 8:17 pm

Pitchy wrote:How nice is this, got these bullets and article on the 76 from Shasta in the mail today.
Thanks bro

Whooo weee! Ol' Pitchy musta really liked those few bullets I sent him. Look what he sent me in return!

Two Rapala fillet knives, a handmade belt knife, and a beautiful little handmade folding knife just perfect for my flintlock possibles bag. Pitchy my friend, you are far too kind! Thank you, I really appreciate your thoughtfulness.

SHASTA

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Sun Apr 29, 2012 8:33 pm

Whooo weee! Ol' Pitchy musta really liked those few bullets I sent him

Those more than just a few, more like 100 got me started shooting with my new gun.
Besides the bullets you also mailed me loading literature that was real helpful.
Shasta your the good man and friend, thanks.

smokenrust · Post by **smokenrust** » Thu May 24, 2012 2:47 am

So pitchy, which rifle is that one? 22, 26 or the 28" one. And did they say what the rate of twist is? It sure looks good, to good.

Question for the rest is which caliber would you chose and why if you were to buy one of these 1876 Chaparral Arms 600 dollar guns fron CDNN. The 40-60, 45-60, 45-75, or the 50-95.

Think the 28" barrel is worth considering? But they don't list it in either the 40-60 or the 50-95.

Thanks

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Thu May 24, 2012 6:23 am

smokenrust wrote:So pitchy, which rifle is that one? 22, 26 or the 28" one. And did they say what the rate of twist is? It sure looks good, to good.

Question for the rest is which caliber would you chose and why if you were to buy one of these 1876 Chaparral Arms 600 dollar guns fron CDNN. The 40-60, 45-60, 45-75, or the 50-95.

Think the 28" barrel is worth considering? But they don't list it in either the 40-60 or the 50-95.

Thanks

This is the 28 inch one in 45-60, the easiest cal. to reload for as far as getting brass.
Better call CDNN first to see what they have, when my dealer ordered mine they said that was all they had in the 28 inch version in 45-60.
This one has smoothed up like glass and real pleased with the fit of the wood.
They have a kinda dull finish on them but a few coats of Casey gun stock oil really makes them nice.

smokenrust · Post by **smokenrust** » Thu May 24, 2012 10:42 pm

Thanks Pitchy for reply. I called them and asked about availability of the 50-95 and its only avail. in 22' but they have both listed calibers in the 28". Then I asked about availability of brass and they don't have it.
Kinda funny that gun manufactor will spin out obsolete calibers and then don't take advantage of having brass to sell with them. SnR

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Fri May 25, 2012 6:30 am

I see there are a lot of them for sale on Gunbroker for 6 somethin.

Post by **Hobie** » Fri May 25, 2012 11:18 am

If I was getting a .50-95 I'd get the 22" and turn the barrel half-round, cut the mag as a "button" mag tube, and I'd then I'd convert the stock to a shotgun/flat butt plate. Close to this...

http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index. ... ic=35610.0

Nath · Post by **Nath** » Fri May 25, 2012 11:22 am

Hobie wrote:If I was getting a .50-95 I'd get the 22" and turn the barrel half-round, cut the mag as a "button" mag tube, and I'd then I'd convert the stock to a shotgun/flat butt plate. Close to this...

http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index. ... ic=35610.0

Like your thinking Hobie!

Nath.

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Fri May 25, 2012 12:30 pm

Hobie be sure to post pics when your done.

I like the half round octagon idea also, would be a dandy carry rifle.

Post by **Hobie** » Fri May 25, 2012 3:10 pm

I WOULD do that IF I had the rifle. I've already got the SRC and I just can't see justification for the "cat" rifle. On the other hand I ALWAYS wanted the SRC. Don't know why. Nobody in the family was ever in the NWMP. I like it. Learned a lot loading for it. Hope to learn some more. Hope to shoot it more. Hope to hunt with it more.

GeezerD · Post by **GeezerD** » Wed Jul 11, 2012 11:29 pm

Howdy from southern Michigan. About 2 months ago I bought a Chapparel 50-95 short rifle on Gunbroker for $499. So far I have not had to buy a lot of replacement parts, only a firing pin, firing pin retractor, and extractor from Winchester Bob ( excellent quality parts ). The list of rework however is quite long - fitted O.S. link pins, laser welded the bolt face and recut it to reduce headspace, welded and repaired rim support nub on bolt, refinished the wood to make it look more like walnut, straightened and refit R.H. sideplate, replaced sights with original semi buckhorn rear and Marbles gold bead front, and a ridiculous amount of deburring internaly. The barrel and chamber look very good. The bore slugs at .511 and has a twist of about 1 in 36" and is quite smooth.

I picked up a set of RCBS Legacy dies for $50 and some 50-90 Sharps brass to form cases with. So I guess I'm not in too deep with it so far, but it's a darn good thing I like working on guns. ------------------------- GeezerD

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 7:11 am

Glad ya made it to the board GeezerD, welcome .

Looking forward to seeing your new 76

Borregos · Post by **Borregos** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 7:16 am

Pitchy wrote:Glad ya made it to the board GeezerD, welcome .
Looking forward to seeing your new 76

+1

hfcable · Post by **hfcable** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 11:09 am

Hobie wrote: I WOULD do that IF I had the rifle. I've already got the SRC and I just can't see justification for the "cat" rifle. On the other hand I ALWAYS wanted the SRC. Don't know why. Nobody in the family was ever in the NWMP. I like it. Learned a lot loading for it. Hope to learn some more. Hope to shoot it more. Hope to hunt with it more.

yes, that SRC is appealing, and if i see a repro SRC at good price, i will grab one.

the 'cat rifle' tho would make a good project! i like mine, though i dont know if it ever got any where near a cat bigger than a tabby!

WARNING ! Obligatory gratuitous picture follows!

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Thu Jul 12, 2012 12:35 pm

hfcable wrote:
Hobie wrote: I WOULD do that IF I had the rifle. I've already got the SRC and I just can't see justification for the "cat" rifle. On the other hand I ALWAYS wanted the SRC. Don't know why. Nobody in the family was ever in the NWMP. I like it. Learned a lot loading for it. Hope to learn some more. Hope to shoot it more. Hope to hunt with it more.
yes, that SRC is appealing, and if i see a repro SRC at good price, i will grab one.

the 'cat rifle' tho would make a good project! i like mine, though i dont know if it ever got any where near a cat bigger than a tabby!

WARNING ! Obligatory gratuitous picture follows!

Nice.