Call it what you want.

Triggernosis · Post by **Triggernosis** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 11:03 am

As an NRA certified rifle instructor, I'm frustrated by the abomination of something that gets under my skin almost daily, that is: the correct pronunciation of "Garand". If I'm not mistaken, it should be properly pronounced "'Gerund", similar to "errand" and not "Ga'RAND". However, I don't think I've ever heard the proper pronunciation used anywhere, whether it be at the local gun store or Camp Perry. Let's all make an effort to correct this travesty of speech and honor John C. Garand in a manner befitting his family name!
Please join me in an effort to get everyone in the same boat.

K1500 · Post by **K1500** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 11:11 am

I have heard the same thing regarding pronunciation. However, as they said in The Man Who Shot Liberty Valence: "When the legend becomes fact, print the legend".

You will not be successful in your endeavor and may just make yourself look like a bit of a tool by trying to change the generally accepted pronunciation of the name.

If you want to go to war over something, smite down the inappropriate use of 'clip' as a synonym for magazine.

2ndovc · Post by **2ndovc** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 11:56 am

It is pronounced Ga-Rand. Mr. Garand's grandaughter works at company that I work with when I have a
project out her way. She answers the phone Ga-Rand.

hope that helps.

Triggernosis · Post by **Triggernosis** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 11:56 am

K1500 wrote:If you want to go to war over something, smite down the inappropriate use of 'clip' as a synonym for magazine.

I've got that one completely under control, at least among 30-some 4-H kids that I instruct.

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 12:03 pm

This is a grrrand topic.

rock-steady · Post by **rock-steady** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 12:07 pm

You say Gur-rend, I'll say Ga-Rand. You say Sock-O, I'll say SAY-KO.
The one that twists my knickers is "shottie" instead of shotgun.

Oh, and
'prolly instead of probably.

Triggernosis · Post by **Triggernosis** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 1:36 pm

Oh hell no - the worst one is "Lee-a-pold".

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 1:38 pm

'prolly instead of probably

UhOh

Ji in Hawaii · Post by **Ji in Hawaii** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 1:39 pm

To-may-to, To-mot-to, po-tay-to, po-tot-to, let's call the whole thing off!

Idahoser · Post by **Idahoser** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 1:40 pm

if they'd learn how to merge and use turn signals I think I would tolerate any pronunciation.

AJMD429 · Post by **AJMD429** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 2:11 pm

The one that makes my skin crawl is when someone (usually a radiologist) pronounces the word 'centimeter' as if it is spelled 'Sonnometer'.

Are there one hundred 'sonts' in a dollar, or is 100 years a 'sontury'...?

I assume it is some sort of Euro-wannabe affectation, but it just makes them sound incredibly stupid when I hear it.

Triggernosis · Post by **Triggernosis** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 2:26 pm

Idahoser wrote:if they'd learn how to merge and use turn signals I think I would tolerate any pronunciation.

I'd rather they put down their cell phones first....

bdhold · Post by **bdhold** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 2:45 pm

I don't know, I think all of this is crossing the fastidious line.

The only thing that gets me upset are people who get upset - or something like that.

claybob86 · Post by **claybob86** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 3:29 pm

bulldog1935 wrote:I don't know, I think all of this is crossing the fastidious line.

The only thing that gets me upset are people who get upset - or something like that.

That could turn into a viscious circle!

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 3:40 pm

claybob86 wrote:
bulldog1935 wrote:I don't know, I think all of this is crossing the fastidious line.

The only thing that gets me upset are people who get upset - or something like that.
That could turn into a viscious circle!

Prolly a childhood thang...

Griff · Post by **Griff** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 3:48 pm

BlaineG wrote:
claybob86 wrote:
bulldog1935 wrote:I don't know, I think all of this is crossing the fastidious line.
The only thing that gets me upset are people who get upset - or something like that.
That could turn into a viscious circle!
Prolly a childhood thang...

If yer gonna use a "southron" affectation, at least spell it right... THA'ING. Remember, down south, we make every word at least TWO syllables!

Oh yeah, it should be spelt "PRO'BLY"... the "B" ain't silent!

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 3:54 pm

Griff wrote:
BlaineG wrote:
claybob86 wrote:
bulldog1935 wrote:I don't know, I think all of this is crossing the fastidious line.
The only thing that gets me upset are people who get upset - or something like that.
That could turn into a viscious circle!
Prolly a childhood thang...
If yer gonna use a "southron" affectation, at least spell it right... THA'ING. Remember, down south, we make every word at least TWO syllables!
Oh yeah, it should be spelt "PRO'BLY"... the "B" ain't silent!

That's a Ahia thang.....don't use no Reb talkin'...

TMair · Post by **TMair** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 4:21 pm

Idahoser wrote:if they'd learn how to merge and use turn signals I think I would tolerate any pronunciation.

No kidding, this is my favorite subject to complain about, cell phones being #2, only cuz I see idiots "merge" with out turn signals, wile not using their cell phones!!
Terry

jeepnik · Post by **jeepnik** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 5:57 pm

Triggernosis wrote:Oh hell no - the worst one is "Lee-a-pold".

Beat me to that one. I'm still not sure what's correct. I just point.

damienph · Post by **damienph** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 6:08 pm

I think that I've got the Garand thing figured out but what about Lapua? I would like to know how it is supposed to be pronounced.

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 6:14 pm

damienph wrote:I think that I've got the Garand thing figured out but what about Lapua? I would like to know how it is supposed to be pronounced.

La POO ah

Stan in SC · Post by **Stan in SC** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 7:12 pm

I don't ever say anything but it grates on me when people spell the word separate as seperate.

Stan in SC

damienph · Post by **damienph** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 9:04 pm

BlaineG wrote:
damienph wrote:I think that I've got the Garand thing figured out but what about Lapua? I would like to know how it is supposed to be pronounced.
La POO ah

That's what I thought too but I had some "hootie tootie" shooter tell me it was LapWah. I'm going to stick with Lapooah.

shooter · Post by **shooter** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 9:18 pm

My two biggest mistakes, and no offense if you say it this way, as it's become the accepted speech it seems like, are ek-specially instead of especially, and #1 is ek-scape instead of escape. Drives me absolutely nuts.

Chas. · Post by **Chas.** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 9:22 pm

Griff wrote:If yer gonna use a "southron" affectation, at least spell it right... THA'ING. Remember, down south, we make every word at least TWO syllables!
Oh yeah, it should be spelt "PRO'BLY"... the "B" ain't silent!

That's not only true of the south. Them yanks can get 3 syllables out of "oil" - o-ee-ull. We all know there's only 1 syllable in oil - "all".

pwl44m · Post by **pwl44m** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 9:28 pm

BOy, PICKY PIcky,I aint gunna say nuthen cuz it Prolly wunt matter no how.
I say Garrand , U say Garund, they will know what I am talking about if the conversation is about Guns,for some I might have to put M1 in front of Garrand.
Hope I don't get in trouble over this one, but beings We r on the subject.
Perry

spaceman spiff · Post by **spaceman spiff** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 10:39 pm

AJMD429 wrote:The one that makes my skin crawl is when someone (usually a radiologist) pronounces the word 'centimeter' as if it is spelled 'Sonnometer'.

Are there one hundred 'sonts' in a dollar, or is 100 years a 'sontury'...?

I assume it is some sort of Euro-wannabe affectation, but it just makes them sound incredibly stupid when I hear it.

I'm an MRI tech, I'll be sure to give the Rad grief over his pronunciation

It irks me too........

spaceman

jdad · Post by **jdad** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 10:47 pm

Hors D'oeuvres.........those darn French and their Horses Ovaries.

claybob86 · Post by **claybob86** » Wed Dec 07, 2011 11:58 pm

Chas. wrote:That's not only true of the south. Them yanks can get 3 syllables out of "oil" - o-ee-ull. We all know there's only 1 syllable in oil - "all".

More like "awwllll"

gimdandy · Post by **gimdandy** » Thu Dec 08, 2011 12:31 am

EYE THER

TX50Cal · Post by **TX50Cal** » Thu Dec 08, 2011 12:50 am

So, let me axe you guys sumthin

olyinaz · Post by **olyinaz** » Thu Dec 08, 2011 1:10 am

Even less chance snuffing that one out as the dreaded .45 LONG Colt. Aint gonna happen! I'm exspecially sure of it.

Oly

olyinaz · Post by **olyinaz** » Thu Dec 08, 2011 1:12 am

But don't get me started on CALvary used when people are talking about the CAValry!!

Oly

claybob86 · Post by **claybob86** » Thu Dec 08, 2011 1:30 am

Oh, and when did "You're welcome" morph into "No problem"?

1894c · Post by **1894c** » Thu Dec 08, 2011 2:46 am

wow--my Uncle who was a lifer in the Marine Corp. called it his rifle... :)

Bruce Scott · Post by **Bruce Scott** » Thu Dec 08, 2011 5:34 am

Usually hear it pronounced the same way as in this original Rifle US Cal .30 M1 training film:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lo0NLKAvmDM

Gobblerforge · Post by **Gobblerforge** » Thu Dec 08, 2011 6:36 am

.........and then there are those folks that call a muzzle a crown. Uhgg.
Gobbler

bdhold · Post by **bdhold** » Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:10 am

OK, I admit it - I want to slap people who say irregardless.

Griff · Post by **Griff** » Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:30 am

bulldog1935 wrote:OK, I admit it - I want to slap people who say irregardless.

Slap away.

Merriam-Webster Dictionary wrote:ir·re·gard·less adv \ˌir-i-ˈgärd-ləs\
Definition of IRREGARDLESS
nonstandard
: regardless
Usage Discussion of IRREGARDLESS
Irregardless originated in dialectal American speech in the early 20th century. Its fairly widespread use in speech called it to the attention of usage commentators as early as 1927. The most frequently repeated remark about it is that “there is no such word.” There is such a word, however. It is still used primarily in speech, although it can be found from time to time in edited prose. Its reputation has not risen over the years, and it is still a long way from general acceptance. Use regardless instead.
Examples of IRREGARDLESS
I told them that irregardless of what you read in books, they's some members of the theatrical profession that occasionally visits the place where they sleep. —Ring Lardner, The Big Town, 1921
Origin of IRREGARDLESS
probably blend of irrespective and regardless
First Known Use: circa 1912

Proper? No. But, let me axe you this, when has that stopped the largely unwashed masses from mutilating the mish-mash we call English?

bdhold · Post by **bdhold** » Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:35 am

I'm not going to slap you, you're armed and fairly dangerous

rbertalotto · Post by **rbertalotto** » Thu Dec 08, 2011 10:23 am

I'm an NRA instructor also. I alwas spend 10 minutes talking about the incorrect terminology.......

CLIP = Magazine
REVOLVER = pistol
BULLET = Cartridge
SHELL = Cartridge
PICATINNTY = Pic-a-nee
ARISAKA = Ar-is-ka

Anyone have any others?

bdhold · Post by **bdhold** » Thu Dec 08, 2011 10:53 am

Edinburgh (edin borough)
Worcestershire (wooster shire)
Alnwick (ann ic)
Gloucester (glau ster)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_na ... unciations
English is a dang-complicated language - if you don't believe me, try reading Beowulf
we should all speak Spanish - much easier.

Griff · Post by **Griff** » Thu Dec 08, 2011 12:50 pm

German also, if you can get your tongue around those hard consonants!

bdhold · Post by **bdhold** » Thu Dec 08, 2011 12:57 pm

they go hand in hand. The Britons are now the Welsh - both the Angles and Saxons were Germanic tribes. The Celts and the Picts were the Caledonians, and the Scots were Gaelic invaders from Ireland.

Udy · Post by **Udy** » Thu Dec 08, 2011 8:07 pm

It may be just the line of work I am, don't know if it bothers any one else, but I guaranty you if you watch your local news station the next time they have a paving project going on and they show double drum asphault compactor of any make it will be called a STEAM roller. I'll bet no one has ever manufactured a steam roller for over 75 years.

The other one is any thing with a bucket and a boom is a Backhoe. Doesn't matter if its a excavator, or a giant mining shovel.

madman4570 · Post by **madman4570** » Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:16 pm

Just say M1

claybob86 · Post by **claybob86** » Fri Dec 09, 2011 12:43 am

"boolit"

Birdman · Post by **Birdman** » Fri Dec 09, 2011 5:25 pm

The neat thing about this great country is all the different accents. I live in Central Illinois and have all my life but I have more of a southern accent than my Mom who grew up in Kentucky. I'm always asked where I came from. I tell people I've lived here all my life and they ask why I talk that way. My brother moved to Southerm Mississippi 15 years ago and never picked up the drawl but his daughter sounds like she has been there all her life. His son made sure to keep his northern nothing sound and couldn't wait to move back to Illinois when he was old enough. If you want to listen to an interesting conversation listen to a couple of cajons carry on. Different parts of the country can sure enough change the way words are pronounced.