OT-I'm not leaving, I'm not going anywhere, I like it here

Caco · Post by **Caco** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 9:18 pm

Like it er not I like it here have learned a lot and am sticking. Can live with Charles even if he thinks I'm related to Don somthing er another and he practices his preacher converting skills on me whith his past lawyeren skills

I enjoy it

The rest are easy

Hate the result of junior getting tired of us due to him recieving hassel. But if you wear it on your sleeve ya gotta have the skin to go with it.
Just like the neighborhood I live in and grew up in, people come and go-liked the attitude of the old timers better'n some of my new neighbors, but the alternative is up to me an the existing 5th generation.
Figure it's same here.
Ain't always gonna be up to posting, but will lurke so I stay educated

Dave
PS be darned if I I'll quite smiling

Dave

Griff · Post by **Griff** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 9:19 pm

Charles, your points are well made and I agree. It is my opinion however, that prejudice is often difficult to see in the abstract, and darn near impossible to ignore in action; the two extremes make it very hard to conduct oneself appropriately in ALL instances. Therefore, when we slip on that slope, sometimes we don't know what caused our fall.

Charles · Post by **Charles** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 9:23 pm

Joe.. the problem is your insistance on calling it a silly game and thereby saying it really isn't a significant issue. What you call "stiring the stink" is what I call standing up for an important issue and calling evil evil. Go back and read the web site from which the game was taken. I don't want to post it here, so I will sent it in a PM.

So who is the problem? .. Well I don't suppose we will agree on that. I will let it drop, but I will be back if you take the same position again. .

Now I will continue a civil dialog with others on the issue if they wish, but as far as you go, I will drop it...unless....

Old Time Hunter · Post by **Old Time Hunter** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 9:26 pm

Oh-Oh...I'm from Wisconsin and if you allow people from Illinois, guess I'll have to skiddadle!!!!

Just kidd'n, but hopefully ya'll get the point.

homefront · Post by **homefront** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 9:32 pm

Don't take offense, Joe. Charles feels strongly about it, as do I.

model55 · Post by **model55** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 9:45 pm

Well most times I'm not sure if I'm coming or going but this my favorite site(inless the mauser or enfield sickness gets me again ) so I'll be here.Missed the argument which is just as well .Did check where the mentioned game came from,played a few times here won't anymore!Hate it when people leave and I never got to know them!

getitdone1 · Post by **getitdone1** » Wed Feb 13, 2008 11:39 pm

I've noticed the loss of a few people. Been losing a lot of sleep over it.

Suggest we keep the "Big Picture" in sight and not let much smaller things interfere with our enjoyment of this group.

Fantastic amount of gun knowledge here.

You think you know a lot about guns and join this group and find others who know considerably more. That's a big plus and not something to be jealous about.

Don McCullough

Post by **Old Savage** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 1:08 am

The whole hate/intolerance thing is a canard invented by the left to selectively attack their perceived enemies while at the same time indulging in the same behavior they condemn.

Jeeps · Post by **Jeeps** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 1:12 am

Charles wrote:Joe.. the problem is your insistance on calling it a silly game and thereby saying it really isn't a significant issue. What you call "stiring the stink" is what I call standing up for an important issue and calling evil evil. Go back and read the web site from which the game was taken. I don't want to post it here, so I will sent it in a PM.

So who is the problem? .. Well I don't suppose we will agree on that. I will let it drop, but I will be back if you take the same position again. .

Now I will continue a civil dialog with others on the issue if they wish, but as far as you go, I will drop it...unless....

HEY HEY HEY.... Time out a second here Charles.

I understand the game hurt your feelings. How many posts did you use to
nip at Joe's heels on the other locked thread?

There are 7 posts of you doing it here. What are you looking for exactly?

Are you enjoying yourself or something? Enough already, please, I think
your point has been made.

Or is this going to keep up until everyone thinks the way Charles wants
them to? Or must Joe debase himself before you?

I don't mind people putting heart into words, Lord knows I do it quite a bit
also, but once I do that's it, they know how I feel and I move on.

Stating a point of view is the most American thing you can do. Harassment
is not.

The end of this last post is a threat, is Joe supposed to "watch his conduct"
from here on out on this forum? You will be there to tear him down if he
gets out of line? Keeping an eye on him?

Greg807 · Post by **Greg807** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 1:27 am

The whole hate/intolerance thing is a canard invented by the left to selectively attack their perceived enemies while at the same time indulging in the same behavior they condemn. AMEN!!!

gundownunder · Post by **gundownunder** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 3:07 am

I"M STAYING

Place like this your always going to get a lot of different people with a lot of different ideas and opinions and some of them will be radically different.
The one thing we all have in common is our leverguns.

Someone mentioned the mexican border game and while I admit to trying it and finding a certain kind of appeal to the idea with certain ethnic changes

, I do agree it was probably a bit too far ot for this site.

With a bit of respect for others and a willingness to compromise a little I'm sure we can all find enough common ground for ALL OF US to continue enjoying this site. Perhaps if you find something on site that offends or angers you it would be more diplomatic for all parties to sort the matter calmly to everyones satisfaction. This makes more sense to me than for a lot of people getting their undies in a twist and start insulting each other and driving valuable members away from the board.

Remember, the people who are opposed to our hobby would love to divide and conquer us and we need to make sure we stick together irrespective of our differences. Forums like this allow us to diseminate information across the globe quickly and that helps us in our fight to keep whats rightfully ours.

Rant, rant, ramble, ramble,
sorry folks, time to get off soapbox.

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505stevec · Post by **505stevec** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 5:54 am

J Miller wrote:Charles, homefront and others who are offended by this silly game.

I used to be the kind of person who was personally offended by anything that was opposed to what I believed, or perceived as wrong by the group I was with, or the church I belonged to.
It got to the point that was taking everything as a personal attack. That had to stop. It was useless to get all worked up over something that I didn't agree with.
I learned to control myself for the most part, and ignore things I cannot change.
I still state my thoughts as you have seen, and will label people too. But you are doing the same thing.
This game may have been put together by neo nazis, I don't know, I never went beyond laughing at it and playing once.
What I do realize is that in this country all of us, even neo nazis have the right to think and speak out as we believe.

You don't like that game and you have stated your dislike for it. I couldn't care less about it. And I've stated my lack of care about it.

That should end that. But no, you have kept stirring the stink until several people here have told you to let it drop.
The offensive game was removed by it's poster, but you and several others continued the harassment until Hobie locked the thread down.
When it was removed you should have let it drop. But you didn't.

Now, enter J Miller into this I'm leaving / I'm not leaving stupidity. I stated my opinion at that time and you had already stated your opinion. Why did you start stirring the stink again? Because you are trying to force your way of thinking on others. I won't give in. I still don't give a rats behind about that game. It's a stupid silly game that doesn't deserve the attention this and the other thread is giving it.

Now if you will go back to the beginning of this thread you will notice that after my initial post I said nothing about that game until you brought it up again. And after this last comment I'm not going to say any more about it.

You have said your peace, I have said mine, others have said theirs, it's been hashed over enough, if you continue to rehash and harass me and others about it, then YOU are the problem, not the silly game. LET IT DROP.

"We may not agree on everything, but that does not mean we can't be friends." - J Miller (a long time ago)

I'm still not leaving this forum, nope, no way, no how, not till the moderators / administrators / owners throw me off.

Joe

You know Joe, I may not agree with you about the game since I am of Mexican decent but you look like a nice guy in your picture and you make sence about letting it drop so I am glad you are staying too

FWiedner · Post by **FWiedner** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:21 am

I disagree with the breeding of tiny little dogs. Tiny little yippy-yappy dogs. It ain't natural.

...and cats. Somethin' ought to be done about all the freakin' cats. It's like they are takin' over.

I was watching a program on the History channel a few days ago about what earth would be like after man was gone, and there were still cats.

...and that just ain't right.

The German in me wants to exterminate them for the sake of Homeland Security, and the Mexican in me wants to put them on a stick over an open fire, and then use their hide as a canteen. My feminine side wants tortillas and sauerkraut.

Oh, and did anyone notice that Simon Bar Sinister was running for President?

Grizz · Post by **Grizz** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 8:33 am

Someone got his feelings hurt ?

For crying out loud men..,

Grizz

homefront · Post by **homefront** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 8:46 am

The Liberals have been exposed. Just read the posts and you can see who they are. Take a long walk on a short plank------- Laughing --------Hey, Why don't you go camping in Mexico and carry your leverguns Shocked ------------------Sixgun

Don't want to name names? Do you know what a liberal is?
This is this second time that I can recall you suggesting that someone place themselves in harms way.
Not good.

Hobie, please lock this one too.

Sixgun · Post by **Sixgun** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 9:41 am

Don't want to name names? Do you know what a liberal is?
This is this second time that I can recall you suggesting that someone place themselves in harms way.
Not good.

oooooooohhhhhh, I'm scared. Now I know why you bowed out of camping and shootin' with the boys this Spring---you sensed we won't have 'ya

Now, go back to campaigning for obama

homefront · Post by **homefront** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 9:44 am

oooooooohhhhhh, I'm scared. Now I know why you bowed out of camping and shootin' with the boys this Spring---you sensed we won't have 'ya

Yeah, pretty smart of me.

Sixgun · Post by **Sixgun** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 9:55 am

FWiedner wrote:I disagree with the breeding of tiny little dogs. Tiny little yippy-yappy dogs. It ain't natural.

Mr. Wiedner, My feelings have been deeply hurt. Now I have to go see my counselor on how to deal with this so I can get in touch with my inner self again to a positive degree. My counselor's name is charles and is highly recommended by hillary and obama. Please don't say these awful things about little dogs as they were put here by the Lord to please and support our weak little human minds.

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naaaaaaaaaa, this is the REAL me,

brucew44guns · Post by **brucew44guns** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 10:07 am

I guess I never had any doubts about you staying Joe, in fact, if you tried to leave I'm sure a posse would go out and rope you to drag you in like they did to Quigley. Darn it Joe, imagine when they pulled him over rocks and sticker bushes!!!! I have admired your posts, your experience, your blurting out your mind when you needed to, and you have twin brothers all over the place on this forum, it's what appealed to me in the first days of coming here. Thanks Joe.

Charles · Post by **Charles** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 10:27 am

Well I guess I have become the new Junior in spite of the fact that I don't share his politics. So go ahead boys, put whatever labels you want on me and turn me into your liberal stawman/puching bag.. I am ok with that. Please don't feel hampered by reality..flail away. Some of you boys just wouldn't be happy without a resident liberal/pc to poke at. I would not want you to be unhappy. Don't let the fact that I am neither a liberal or PC interfer with your fun.

Jeep et al. My feelings were not hurt by the game. It was my sense of right and wrong, good and evil that was involved. It was not about feelings it was about what folks think.

Why did I do the number of posts that I did..because Joe persisted in call it a "silly game" that only disturbed the PC crowd.

What did I want?... well an admission that the game was in something of consequence, not to be dismissed lightly would have sufficed. One does not debase himself by saying he was wrong. A person who is admits their mistakes grows in respect and is not diminished in respect.

Now Jeep... I had let it go, so if Joe sets up a howl about keeping this thing rolling let him look to you for kicking the can one more time. As his spokesperson and defender you have to take owner ship of that.

Now about the threat... It was not a threat in any sense I understand that term. What I intended to say that I would challenge Nazi/White Supremacy/KKK propaganda whenever it is put out on this board or anywhere else. There are some on this board that hold such views and they have a right to hold them. But lay them out here, and I will call them what they are and challenge them when I see them.

Have a great day and keep em in the X-ring. Charles

homefront · Post by **homefront** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 10:48 am

Charles,
I'd say you're in the x-ring.
BTW, my name is Charles also, so Sixgun's reference to his "counselor" may have been for me.

J Miller · Post by **J Miller** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 10:54 am

Ok youse guys lets not demean our little furry people friends. I'll take a cat over a dog any day for pets. The problem with cats is they are their own masters. They do what they want, to heck with people. If a person wants a cat to do something they gotta convince the cat it was his idea. Not easy at all.

What does this have to do with my thread?

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Charles, I got your link, checked it out a bit. They are a bunch of losers and always will be. I didn't go into it very far as I have other things to do today, but if I get time I may delve deeper into it. Although I will admit the chances of that are pretty slim.

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There used to be two political factions: Liberals and Conservatives. Sort of the political ying and yang thing. Each side balanced the other side. And we had a decent system. But those who call themselves liberal now are actually more socialist and some are flat out communists. We don't have true liberals any more. As a matter of fact much of the republican party is now about as liberal as the 60's democrats used to be. The democrats moving farther left into socialism.

So perhaps my use of the term "liberal" is incorrect. I'll have to study this a bit.

Joe

Charles · Post by **Charles** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 12:09 pm

Joe...

1) I am a cat man also. I have three and a dog, but if the truth be told I favor the cats. You have rightly discribed the character of a cat.

2) Don't waste to much time with that web site. They are indeed loosers and always will be. That site is a true hog wallow.

3) The political landscape has changed drasticaly since I was a young man. The Republican Party of today can't be distinguished from the Southern Democrats of my youth. There was a time where both parties had liberals, conservatives and moderates with the moderates being the largest group. Today things tend to be more in the extremes. We have red and blue without much purple.

4) There don't seem to be any true liberals around. When I grew up that term meant a person who listened to all sides of the issue, considered all postions and options before they made up their mind. Liberal refered to the process and not the outcome.

Today we have folks who won't consider all arguments, positions and options and then make their decision.

The liberals of my youth would be considered moderates today and the conservatives of my youth are much father to right.

I have been a Goldwater conservative since I was old enough to read "Consicence of a Conservative". But the conservative movement has wandered off somewhere and I am not certain where.

One change I have noticed since my youth is the amount of anger on both sides. "The Politics of Destruction" seem to be house rules these days.

Take care and keep the kitties warm and well fed.

FWiedner · Post by **FWiedner** » Thu Feb 14, 2008 1:42 pm

What does this have to do with my thread?

Nothing whatsoever.

I just figured that since there were so many wadded panties laying on the table I'd throw-in and take the opportunity to share my feelings on something too.

I felt left out, OK?