Turnbull 1886's

Crazy Horse · Post by **Crazy Horse** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 2:59 pm

So who else is drooling wanting one of Turnbull's new 1886's. It's made in 45-70 and 45-90 It's not a Browning or a Winchester. They make the whole gun. It's $1995 and for another $400 they said they can make a 50-110!

Pitchy · Post by **Pitchy** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 3:44 pm

http://turnbullmfg.com/

kimwcook · Post by **kimwcook** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 5:32 pm

I've always drooled over Turnbull's work. Along with many others.

Dave · Post by **Dave** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 5:40 pm

If they shoot as good as they look that isn't a bad deal

Rusty · Post by **Rusty** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 5:45 pm

I wouldn't mind having one if I could get it with a shotgun style but plate.

J Miller · Post by **J Miller** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 5:56 pm

For $2,000.00 dollars I could buy 2 Marlin 1895 Cowboys or two of the new Italian imports and have money left over for ammo and supplies.

I just can't see that kind of price for an 1886 copy.

Joe

Griff · Post by **Griff** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 6:03 pm

J Miller wrote:For $2,000.00 dollars I could buy 2 Marlin 1895 Cowboys or two of the new Italian imports and have money left over for ammo and supplies.
I just can't see that kind of price for an 1886 copy.
Joe

Ah, but to have a modern .45-70 where one needn't be afraid to load 'er up and let 'er rip... priceless. I'm just skeered of the 336 sized 1895.

J Miller · Post by **J Miller** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 6:06 pm

Griff wrote:
J Miller wrote:For $2,000.00 dollars I could buy 2 Marlin 1895 Cowboys or two of the new Italian imports and have money left over for ammo and supplies.
I just can't see that kind of price for an 1886 copy.
Joe
Ah, but to have a modern .45-70 where one needn't be afraid to load 'er up and let 'er rip... priceless. I'm just skeered of the 336 sized 1895.

Griff,
Marlin's made hundreds of thousands of the 1895 in 45-70. If there was anything to be afraid of it would have shown up long ago. And there is not one iota of reason to jack the pressures and velocities up to the point the loads are dangerous in a Marlin. That's just stupid.

Joe

Grizzly Adams · Post by **Grizzly Adams** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 6:23 pm

So, this is being manufactured, not just finished by Turnbull? All made in house and in this country? That's not much more than a new Miroku Winchester, and they are not finished out like this one - and have the rebounding hammer and tang safety to boot.

mike454 · Post by **mike454** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 6:37 pm

Pretty sure they are getting imported parts sets for these guns.

Leverluver · Post by **Leverluver** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 7:23 pm

mike454 wrote:Pretty sure they are getting imported parts sets for these guns.

I'd bet Chiappa unfinished parts. I have no problem with that. The finish and Turnbull getting all the action bugs worked out is worth the premium.

Udy · Post by **Udy** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 7:48 pm

Good looking rifles tunbull builds, just a bit out of my price range, but I would love to have one.

rjohns94 · Post by **rjohns94** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 8:37 pm

I would love to have one of his in .475.

Martini450 · Post by **Martini450** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 8:43 pm

Can't say whether these are the same guns, but I know I've heard that Turnbull was going to be doing some Chiappa '86s with their upgraded finish. Certainly not a bad rifle to start with; I'm hoping to add a Taylor & Company/Chiappa 86 to my safe soon.

RIHMFIRE · Post by **RIHMFIRE** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 8:50 pm

I like Turnball stuff...outstanding workmanship....
I have had my on the 86 and a 92....but which one comes first?

Griff · Post by **Griff** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 9:05 pm

J Miller wrote:
Griff wrote:
J Miller wrote:For $2,000.00 dollars I could buy 2 Marlin 1895 Cowboys or two of the new Italian imports and have money left over for ammo and supplies.
I just can't see that kind of price for an 1886 copy.
Joe
Ah, but to have a modern .45-70 where one needn't be afraid to load 'er up and let 'er rip... priceless. I'm just skeered of the 336 sized 1895.
Griff,
Marlin's made hundreds of thousands of the 1895 in 45-70. If there was anything to be afraid of it would have shown up long ago. And there is not one iota of reason to jack the pressures and velocities up to the point the loads are dangerous in a Marlin. That's just stupid.
Joe

Fear doesn't have to have a basis to be real.

J Miller · Post by **J Miller** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 9:08 pm

Griff wrote:
J Miller wrote:
Griff wrote:
J Miller wrote:For $2,000.00 dollars I could buy 2 Marlin 1895 Cowboys or two of the new Italian imports and have money left over for ammo and supplies.
I just can't see that kind of price for an 1886 copy.
Joe
Ah, but to have a modern .45-70 where one needn't be afraid to load 'er up and let 'er rip... priceless. I'm just skeered of the 336 sized 1895.
Griff,
Marlin's made hundreds of thousands of the 1895 in 45-70. If there was anything to be afraid of it would have shown up long ago. And there is not one iota of reason to jack the pressures and velocities up to the point the loads are dangerous in a Marlin. That's just stupid.
Joe
Fear doesn't have to have a basis to be real.

Yeah, I know. I won't swim in water I can't the bottom in. Don't matter how deep it is ... or isn't.

Joe

Crazy Horse · Post by **Crazy Horse** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 10:21 pm

When I called Turnbull I asked if these were Winchester newly manufactured 1886's and they told no they are not Browning or Winchester they are made here by Turnbull. They sure lead me to believe they made the guns themselves and not from someone elses parts. I probably would not pay $2000 for a 45-70 but I might take out a loan for $2400 to get a 50-110

Rimfire McNutjob · Post by **Rimfire McNutjob** » Mon Jun 13, 2011 10:38 pm

Rusty wrote:I wouldn't mind having one if I could get it with a shotgun style but plate.

Amen to that.

buckeyeshooter · Post by **buckeyeshooter** » Tue Jun 14, 2011 4:20 am

I will be ordering one in about a week when I get back to the usa. I still going back and forth between a 50 alaskan or 50-110.
I have 2 turnbull rifles now, I think they are worth every dime!
The cost is about $500 more than a USRA Winchester and you could not get the gunsmithing done for the difference in price.
My guess is that some day in the future there will be Turnbull Arms collectors too.

bigbore45colt · Post by **bigbore45colt** » Tue Jun 14, 2011 8:41 am

I have one of their 86s in 475. It is an awesome rifle that shoots just as good as it looks. They are fanstastic rifles that are reliable, dependable, and accurate.

I highly recommend them.

BB45C

haterock 2 · Post by **haterock 2** » Tue Jun 14, 2011 8:58 am

Go to Chiappa´s homepage. Download their catalogue and look at page 28.

Bronco · Post by **Bronco** » Tue Jun 14, 2011 9:17 pm

Howdy,

I would like one with a shot gun butt and a pistol grip!!

Mmmmmm dreams can come true for a few $$$. Actually, that price is not bad for a 50-110. Not going to get into 45-70 vs 50-110 oooorr which one is better Win. - Marlin - Browning.

Bottom line.... love levers, love 50-110's and 45-70's

John

PS

Got Browning M71 in 50-110 and a Browning Saddle Ring 86 in 45-70 that's here to stay also!

kaschi · Post by **kaschi** » Tue Jun 14, 2011 11:19 pm

This is good new. Can't help but think and hope that Model 92's will follow!

buckeyeshooter · Post by **buckeyeshooter** » Wed Jun 15, 2011 6:42 am

ahhh --- the 92's have been available for about a year. they look like this:

olyinaz · Post by **olyinaz** » Wed Jun 15, 2011 11:42 am

Certainly love to have one, but the price is an obstacle for sure. There are a LOT of collector guns I'd like to have for about that kind of money.

Oly

Mike D. · Post by **Mike D.** » Wed Jun 15, 2011 1:47 pm

IF they'd do 'em with a round barrel and PG stock with SGB I'd be all over one in .50-110. Sorry "traditionalists" but crescent butts and octagonal barrels interest me not.

bigbore45colt · Post by **bigbore45colt** » Wed Jun 15, 2011 1:54 pm

I know that they can do SGB, as my 475 1886 has shotgun butt. Personally, I wanted the oct barrel to help with recoil control. I'm sure that they can do a round bbl. All it takes is money!

BB45C

kaschi · Post by **kaschi** » Wed Jun 15, 2011 2:49 pm

Yeah, buckeyeshooter, I know they've been doing that with the 92's from Japan like yours, I mean a Turnbull inhouse production one.

Crazy Horse · Post by **Crazy Horse** » Wed Jun 15, 2011 4:40 pm

Well I went to the Chiappa (sp?) site and it looks like they are using their 86s. Don't know if thats good or bad?? I guess if you get a 50-110, Turnbull has to use their barrel and replace some of the internal parts with different ones for the larger cartridge. I still want one.

buckeyeshooter · Post by **buckeyeshooter** » Thu Jun 16, 2011 3:57 am

kaschi wrote:Yeah, buckeyeshooter, I know they've been doing that with the 92's from Japan like yours, I mean a Turnbull inhouse production one.

It IS a turnbull in house gun -- not a mikouru.
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm16 ... -40014.jpg

KirkD · Post by **KirkD** » Thu Jun 16, 2011 8:37 am

If Turnbull puts his name on it, no matter who sells it, it is going to be a first class rifle.

Mike Hunter · Post by **Mike Hunter** » Thu Jun 16, 2011 11:07 am

I find it hard to believe that Turnbull is actually manufacturing (ie.. machining from flat stock) those rifles in house. I would take a lot of machining assets. More than likely he is buying the parts from a manufacturing source... import or othewise, and doing the final fitting & finishing in house.

Nice rifle though, well worth the price of admission

V/R

Mike

oic0 · Post by **oic0** » Thu Jun 16, 2011 11:15 am

If you're spending that much though might as well get the .500 S&W lever action. Unless you can load that 50-110 to higher pressures like a 45-70, then the .500 would have more power and you can readily buy them ammo. Then again its so expensive you HAVE to reload for it so I guess that's a mute point and the 50-110 would be easier on the gun due to the much lower pressures.

olyinaz · Post by **olyinaz** » Thu Jun 16, 2011 12:06 pm

oic0 wrote:If you're spending that much though might as well get the .500 S&W lever action. Unless you can load that 50-110 to higher pressures like a 45-70, then the .500 would have more power and you can readily buy them ammo. Then again its so expensive you HAVE to reload for it so I guess that's a mute point and the 50-110 would be easier on the gun due to the much lower pressures.

+1

Oly

buckeyeshooter · Post by **buckeyeshooter** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 4:10 am

oic0 wrote:If you're spending that much though might as well get the .500 S&W lever action. Unless you can load that 50-110 to higher pressures like a 45-70, then the .500 would have more power and you can readily buy them ammo. Then again its so expensive you HAVE to reload for it so I guess that's a mute point and the 50-110 would be easier on the gun due to the much lower pressures.

Not at all interested in a 500 SW rifle--- my Turnbull 50 alaskan throws 525 grain woodleigh's at 2040 fps. You can't do that with a handgun round! The 50-110 actually can be loaded a bit hotter than my 50ak (its a marlin) because the case is a bit bigger and the 1886 a bit stronger gun.

buckeyeshooter · Post by **buckeyeshooter** » Fri Jun 17, 2011 4:16 am

Mike Hunter wrote:I find it hard to believe that Turnbull is actually manufacturing (ie.. machining from flat stock) those rifles in house. I would take a lot of machining assets. More than likely he is buying the parts from a manufacturing source... import or othewise, and doing the final fitting & finishing in house.

Nice rifle though, well worth the price of admission

V/R

Mike

You very well may be correct. Although by virture of the machine work done both inside and outside, plus the fact that they restain the stock to original Winchester color -- its pretty much remade from the ground up.
I can't wait until I get back to the USA next week, its going CAS shooting with black powder for the 1st time.

Martini450 · Post by **Martini450** » Thu Jul 21, 2011 9:50 am

Just got off the phone with one of the folks at Turnbull, and they confirm that they are using Chiappa for their 1886 rifles.

gak · Post by **gak** » Thu Jul 21, 2011 10:44 am

Martini450 wrote:Just got off the phone with one of the folks at Turnbull, and they confirm that they are using Chiappa for their 1886 rifles.

'Bout time someone fess'd up to that. It's not necessarily a bad thing, Chiappas are beautiful rifles - and I'm sure Turnbull reworks anything that's amiss, but I can't stand mis-information like apparently someone in their shop fed someone here (earlier post). I too was suspicious first time I'd heard they were doing it from scratch--as someone said, lots of assets involved in that sort of thing.
The good news: while the real thing (original 86) in good shape has gotten very precious, Miroku has all the added lawyer junk and sometimes funky (or let's say not to everyone's liking) stocks, and Brownings while available are long out of production and aren't growing on trees and certainly not for pennies...So, it's nice that if someone has the jingle, they can effectively have a brand spanking new, "unadorned" '86. (ditto the 92s)

Martini450 · Post by **Martini450** » Thu Jul 21, 2011 11:09 am

I agree; the fact that they're using Chiappa is not a bad thing at all. I have a Chiappa '92 that is flat out gorgeous, and the action is smooth as silk to boot. Also have one of their '86s on order, but was toying with the idea of going with the Turnbull instead. It's a noticable jump in price, but that Turnbull case hardening sure is pretty.

winchester1886 · Post by **winchester1886** » Thu Jul 21, 2011 9:02 pm

For $2000-$2400 I would rather have an original smokeless 86, nothin' like the real thing, I have never seen any of these modern copies as well made as an original, and I have had 2 Brownings an 86 and a 71. they just ain't the same.

crs · Post by **crs** » Thu Jul 21, 2011 11:25 pm

Pretty finish on the receiver and except for that, it looks a lot like my Miroku 1886 .45-90 takedown of which I am quite fond:

BTW, the 2012 Gun Digest has an article and photos praising the 1886 in .33 WCF and another article on the Winchester 1887 lever action shotgun. Lots of other good reading in the book too.

tman · Post by **tman** » Fri Jul 22, 2011 6:34 pm

Pretty guns, but way out of my price range. My browning SRC in 45-70 is more than enough for anything in North america, Probablly the world. It's nice to see an interest in levers, even if it's for Rich folks only