Ouchie... bullets make holes in meat... Wk 11 Update

Tycer · Post by **Tycer** » Sun Dec 05, 2010 6:23 pm

Hey dumbxxx,

Arnica Montana.

Get the pinkish purple tube of homeopathic pills, the blue will work, but the other is better. Also get something like Arniflora or Arnicare ointment. The arnica is great for tissue damage. Stay away from volatile oils (peppermint, spearmint....) while taking homeopathics.

Sorry your brain froze. Hope you heal well fast.

Perhaps you could get the number 4 (for the Colonel's four rules) tattooed on your scar as a talking point.

Dave · Post by **Dave** » Sun Dec 05, 2010 6:46 pm

That's going to hurt later. Be sure and nurse it right.

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Sun Dec 05, 2010 6:50 pm

Dave wrote:That's going to hurt later. Be sure and nurse it right.

Define "later"... So far, it hasn't hurt much at all. Though I suppose it would if I ran a Hoppe's soaked pipe cleaner through it...

Malamute · Post by **Malamute** » Sun Dec 05, 2010 7:18 pm

Old Ironsights wrote:
Mokwaw wrote:Wow man glad it wasn't any worse. Dang muzzle loaders...should be a law against them.
It was a Glock 19 with a .22 upper firing flaky/prone to FTF ammunition.

When I went to clear a FTF (tap-rack) I grabbed too far forward on the slide (fast is slow... ) and the FTF turned out to be a hangfire.

I'm glad you're OK, and it wasn't any worse.

I'm curious, and not trying to be a smart aleck, but why grab the front of the slide to operate it? I've seen people do it but don't understand what the supposed advantage or reason is compared to grabbing it from the back end where the handy serrations are. I know also that some guns are serrated on the front end, but this seems to illustrate a pretty good reason not to work the slide from the front end.

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Sun Dec 05, 2010 7:25 pm

Malamute wrote:... I'm curious, and not trying to be a smart aleck, but why grab the front of the slide to operate it? I've seen people do it but don't understand what the supposed advantage or reason is compared to grabbing it from the back end where the handy serrations are. I know also that some guns are serrated on the front end, but this seems to illustrate a pretty good reason not to work the slide from the front end.

"Gross Motor Control".

Grabbing the serrations with thumb & forefinger requires fine motor control that often goes away in a gunfight. (Sympathetic Nervous System Discharge). If you use the meat of your hand to grab the serrations you can cover the ejection port - which is a bad thing when trying to clear a jam.

Current "doctrine" (the one they test me on anyway) teaches to "C-Clamp" the slide in front of the ejection port to rack the slide to clear a jam/FTF.

Works better on a full-size slide than a compact one...

Malamute · Post by **Malamute** » Sun Dec 05, 2010 7:46 pm

OK, thanks for explaining that.

Not sure I entirely agree with the theory, but if that's what they train you to do and test you on, then you should probably continue to do it the way they specify.

No disrespect intended, but I don't think I'll adopt the practice. The other possible effects seem to bring a certain negative aspect into consideration. I'd prefer to keep my hands farther back from the muzzle of a loaded firearm, partcularly if under stress.

Hope you heal up alright.

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Sun Dec 05, 2010 7:51 pm

Malamute wrote:... No disrespect intended, but I don't think I'll adopt the practice. The other possible effects seem to bring a certain negative aspect into consideration. I'd prefer to keep my hands farther back from the muzzle of a loaded firearm, partcularly if under stress...

None taken. I'm not a fan of it myself. Plus, I'm not particularly prone to SNS Discharge events, so I don't really have Fine/gross motor issues. But I do get "rated" on following training. When it all goes South, I'll do what comes naturally, but I was practicing for the recert test...

Post by **Ysabel Kid** » Sun Dec 05, 2010 8:13 pm

Ouch indeed. Good reminder.

Now - go get your hand checked out. The last thing you need is a major infection...

3leggedturtle · Post by **3leggedturtle** » Sun Dec 05, 2010 10:18 pm

BigSky56 wrote:OI, if you can extend and close your pinky own its own without any additional pain you'll healup ok if it starts get infected go to the feed tore and get a small jar of potassium permanganate to soak your hand in it will draw the infection out and a bottle of procaine g penicillin its abut 10$ for 100 cc/ml use at a rate of 1cc or 1ml to 100 lbs body weight for 7 days, that dosage will clear up syphilis too . danny

That or Terramycin. Used fair amount for antibiotic and off the wall applications

claybob86 · Post by **claybob86** » Mon Dec 06, 2010 2:12 am

Old Ironsights wrote:
Define "later"... So far, it hasn't hurt much at all. Though I suppose it would if I ran a Hoppe's soaked pipe cleaner through it...

Might be cheap insurance against infection...

But it hurts just thinkin' about it!

3leggedturtle · Post by **3leggedturtle** » Mon Dec 06, 2010 3:11 am

claybob86 wrote:
Old Ironsights wrote:
Define "later"... So far, it hasn't hurt much at all. Though I suppose it would if I ran a Hoppe's soaked pipe cleaner through it...
Might be cheap insurance against infection... But it hurts just thinkin' about it!

IF you ran Hoppe's 9 thru it I'd pay for the entire Leverguns Members to watch it. And bought them shots and steak dinners afterwards.

jnyork · Post by **jnyork** » Mon Dec 06, 2010 11:05 am

Wish you would get transferred to Riverton so I can get you out to the range for some training on the finer points.

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Mon Dec 06, 2010 11:18 am

I just hope that didn't put a big dent in your social life.....

Noah Zark · Post by **Noah Zark** » Mon Dec 06, 2010 12:35 pm

Thankful here that you were not looking down at your hand at the time, head over the muzzle.

Best wishes for a swift and infection-free recovery, and respect for publicly owning up to the accident as an example for the rest of us.

Noah

Paladin · Post by **Paladin** » Mon Dec 06, 2010 1:43 pm

jeepnik wrote:I would suggest you take thee to a doctor. Darned good possiblility of infection there.

+1

soon 2 retire · Post by **soon 2 retire** » Mon Dec 06, 2010 5:20 pm

BlaineG wrote:I just hope that didn't put a big dent in your social life.....

No it was a hole not a dent; look at the picture.

Bob in NE Indiana

KirkD · Post by **KirkD** » Mon Dec 06, 2010 5:39 pm

Sure glad it wasn't worse. I'm thinking it is going to hurt a lot more tomorrow.

gundownunder · Post by **gundownunder** » Mon Dec 06, 2010 6:39 pm

Like others have said before me,
lucky it wasn't your head.

I'm willing to bet you will learn from the experience and not do that again in a hurry

RKrodle · Post by **RKrodle** » Mon Dec 06, 2010 6:52 pm

Get well soon dude.

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Mon Dec 06, 2010 9:41 pm

KirkD wrote:Sure glad it wasn't worse. I'm thinking it is going to hurt a lot more tomorrow.

I did it on Saturday. Didn't really hurt then. Still doesn't really hurt. Very minor swelling, no oozing, no infection. Just "tightness".

Functionally what little "pain" there is is immaterial. Not many nerves there I guess.

But I got a Teatnus booster today anyway.

AJMD429 · Post by **AJMD429** » Mon Dec 06, 2010 9:54 pm

nobearsyet wrote:Ouch, don't feel so bad. I put a 380 XTP next to my johnson when my pocket gun's sear broke and dropped the hammer.

TedH · Post by **TedH** » Mon Dec 06, 2010 11:25 pm

AJMD429 wrote:
nobearsyet wrote:Ouch, don't feel so bad. I put a 380 XTP next to my johnson when my pocket gun's sear broke and dropped the hammer.

What he said!

CowboyTutt · Post by **CowboyTutt** » Tue Dec 07, 2010 12:37 am

Hi O.I. First off, I'm sure glad you appear to be OK so far. Just keep an eye on that wound as Doc AJ said. Yes, the police will question you but probably only one time and then leave you alone (that was my friend's experience at any rate). Thank you for posting this to remind us to be safe! I just pulled my full size 1911 out of the safe to practice my typical "C Clamp" drill and there is enough meat on the slide to grab it behind the ejection port. It does sound like your troubles may be related to the compact size of the pistola.

Heal well, my friend and God Bless.

-Tutt

piller · Post by **piller** » Tue Dec 07, 2010 1:31 am

O.I., while we all sometimes need reminding as to the safety rules, you are the first to give Explanation, Demonstration, and Practical Application using the instructors own body parts. Now if all the rest of us will be wise enough to learn from your incident...

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Tue Dec 07, 2010 6:31 am

My biggest concern at this point is to keep it covered with antibacterial goo and a nitrile glove since I work in MRSA land...

KirkD · Post by **KirkD** » Tue Dec 07, 2010 12:07 pm

Glad to hear its healing up alright with no infection. I must also commend you for posting this incident. It is a reminder that accidents can happen to even experienced shooters in a moment of unguardedness.

J Miller · Post by **J Miller** » Tue Dec 07, 2010 1:38 pm

Old Ironsights wrote:My biggest concern at this point is to keep it covered with antibacterial goo and a nitrile glove since I work in MRSA land...

OI, what is "MRSA" ?

Joe

Thunder50 · Post by **Thunder50** » Tue Dec 07, 2010 1:49 pm

MRSA is a Methicillin Resitant Staphylcoccus Aureus bacteria. IIRC, think "flesh eating" bacteria.

After using the Hoppes #9 on the pipe cleaner, he can then use some Berrymans B-12 chemtool carb cleaner to finish. Probably take all of us to peel him off the ceiling, when that hits.

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Tue Dec 07, 2010 2:40 pm

Yah. Between MRSA, VRE, Hep ABC, and a few others, one doesnt like to keep open wounds open around inmates....

I think the bruising will be well enough defined by tonight for another pic..

jnyork: I'm shooting for Riverton in 2015. Need to get stabilized/vested first.

J Miller · Post by **J Miller** » Tue Dec 07, 2010 3:16 pm

Thunder50 wrote:MRSA is a Methicillin Resitant Staphylcoccus Aureus bacteria. IIRC, think "flesh eating" bacteria.

After using the Hoppes #9 on the pipe cleaner, he can then use some Berrymans B-12 chemtool carb cleaner to finish. Probably take all of us to peel him off the ceiling, when that hits.

T50, you are soooooo right about the B-12 in the open wound. Been there, done that. Oh my gosh the pain never seemed to quit.

Joe

jazman · Post by **jazman** » Tue Dec 07, 2010 6:16 pm

I was thinking a bore snake with a little neosporin, fix it right up!

pokey · Post by **pokey** » Wed Dec 08, 2010 12:36 am

BlaineG wrote:I just hope that didn't put a big dent in your social life.....

nah, he's right handed.

claybob86 · Post by **claybob86** » Wed Dec 08, 2010 12:48 am

jazman wrote:I was thinking a bore snake with a little neosporin, fix it right up!

Good idea! The whole thing could be done with one pass! Hoppes No. 9, followed by the B-12, then neosporin with a little sand mixed in to remove damaged tissue, finally just neosporin and it's done!

olyinaz · Post by **olyinaz** » Wed Dec 08, 2010 12:53 am

nobearsyet wrote:Ouch, don't feel so bad. I put a 380 XTP next to my johnson when my pocket gun's sear broke and dropped the hammer. Last time I pocket carry. In hindsight I probably should have been wearing a holster in that pocket.

Egads!!!!

Oly

FWiedner · Post by **FWiedner** » Wed Dec 08, 2010 3:33 am

claybob86 wrote:
jazman wrote:I was thinking a bore snake with a little neosporin, fix it right up!
Good idea! The whole thing could be done with one pass! Hoppes No. 9, followed by the B-12, then neosporin with a little sand mixed in to remove damaged tissue, finally just neosporin and it's done!

I might run a 5/16" drill/reamer through it first to debride and smooth it up a bit. Easier pull for the bore snake, don't ya know.

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Sun Dec 19, 2010 11:57 am

Week 3 Picture update.

Interesting how the entrance wound is healing quicker than the exit wound - especially given how hard it is to keep covered. The Exit on the back of the hand has been pretty well constantly covered with a bandage & neosporin, while the palm entrance will really only take "NewSkin" goop.

kimwcook · Post by **kimwcook** » Sun Dec 19, 2010 12:16 pm

Looks like you're healing fine and you'll be none the worse for wear. It's got some good CDI factor (chicks dig it as well as chicks dig scars).

olyinaz · Post by **olyinaz** » Sun Dec 19, 2010 12:20 pm

Very glad to see that it's healing well. And you'll have an awesome scar to show off at the club house, so you've got that going for you.

By the way, in one of this month's gun rags Massad Ayoob (sp?) wrote a safety reminder about covering muzzles using an incident similar to yours. Racking the slide from the front - only difference was that the fellow who was unfortunate had his pinky hanging over the muzzle...and it was a .45...and his pinky is now much shorter.

Mass makes another point that I agree with - if you spend years messing with guns as we do, there's those who have and those who will suffer an accidental discharge. Steadfast adherence to good safety techniques will ensure that when it happens the only thing damaged will be your pride.

Be safe y'all!

Oly

Nath · Post by **Nath** » Sun Dec 19, 2010 12:23 pm

Looks nice and clean OI

N.

Griff · Post by **Griff** » Sun Dec 19, 2010 12:28 pm

kimwcook wrote:Looks like you're healing fine and you'll be none the worse for wear. It's got some good CDI factor (chicks dig it as well as chicks dig scars).

+1.

J Miller · Post by **J Miller** » Sun Dec 19, 2010 12:46 pm

I can't say much about GSW's but with other cuts and punctures I've found that the covered wound kept coated with Neosporin or other anti biotic usually heals slower than the ones that are open to the air. Not sure why, but that's what I've had happen to me.

Joe

Dave · Post by **Dave** » Sun Dec 19, 2010 1:50 pm

Looks a lot better.

1894cfan · Post by **1894cfan** » Sun Dec 19, 2010 3:09 pm

Looks like your hand is healing up pretty good with no infection, bit concerned about the swelling though. Color looks good, so shouldn't be any problems.

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Sun Dec 19, 2010 3:24 pm

1894cfan wrote:Looks like your hand is healing up pretty good with no infection, bit concerned about the swelling though. Color looks good, so shouldn't be any problems.

Not so sure it's "swelling" any more. Just displaced meat and clotting in the bullety track. It's extremely localized with no fluid weeping.

Rusty · Post by **Rusty** » Sun Dec 19, 2010 3:26 pm

A scar is a tattoo with a story to go with it.

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Sun Dec 19, 2010 3:29 pm

Rusty wrote:A scar is a tattoo with a story to go with it.

Heh. A coworker blew his leg apart (literally) in a motocross accident. Worst tib-fib I've ever seen. Plus, a screwup bu the medicos onscene & at the first hospital before transport led to compartment syndrom.

He now has a HUGE scar running through a large tattoo that was on that leg... So the has both.

FWiedner · Post by **FWiedner** » Sun Dec 19, 2010 7:34 pm

It 's lookin' good OI.

Very happy for you that the 'boo-boo' is healing well to this point.

rjohns94 · Post by **rjohns94** » Sun Dec 19, 2010 7:39 pm

glad your healing.

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Thu Feb 24, 2011 1:51 pm

Because some of y'all have asked... and I finally got out the camera...

It's been 82 days since I put that 22 solid through my hand.

Here's the result:

No loss of function, no pain, though you can still palpate the bullet track.

Post by **AmBraCol** » Thu Feb 24, 2011 4:09 pm

I missed it the first two times... YIKES! Glad things are working out OK. 82 days and no pain - that's better than my elbow I used to suspend my weight with when I missed a step going down stairs in September. No broken bones, no obvious bruising - but it's STILL painful when touched wrong or if I carry too much weight at arm's length. So no pain after less than three months is purty darn good.