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OT - Army Air Corp in Yosemite (ca. 1932) Aircraft ID Pls
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OT - Army Air Corp in Yosemite (ca. 1932) Aircraft ID Pls
Saw jnyork's neat post of old aircraft and it reminded me that I had this copy sitting on the desk. Older buddy knows I'm interested in aircraft and brought over an old print for me to have a gander at. I thought I had pretty much seen everything connected with Yosemite but I never saw this photo before. Photo only has "Army Air Corp July 1932" penciled on the back of it and my buddy (80+ yrs) doesn't remember when or where he came across it. Any guesses as to aircraft type? Appears to have been taken from another aircraft and appears they are flying from Half Dome towards Yosemite Falls.Thanks!
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Re: OT - Army Air Corp in Yosemite 1932 (?) Aircraft ID Please
I believe that's a Martin MB1
I have a photo at home of a group of those. I'll try to find it.
I also have a fascination with vintage aircraft!
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I have a photo at home of a group of those. I'll try to find it.
I also have a fascination with vintage aircraft!
jb
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Re: OT - Army Air Corp in Yosemite 1932 (?) Aircraft ID Please
2ndovc wrote:I believe that's a Martin MB1
I have a photo at home of a group of those. I'll try to find it.
I also have a fascination with vintage aircraft!
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Re: OT - Army Air Corp in Yosemite 1932 (?) Aircraft ID Please
But the MB1 doesn't have a forward wing... like it sure looks like the OP has...
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Re: OT - Army Air Corp in Yosemite 1932 (?) Aircraft ID Please
Maybe MB 2? The black rectangles behind each engine sort of threw me. Thought maybe the photo was censored and the Army didin't want us to see something. Now I think they're radiators. The MB 1 had the radiators in front of the engine.2ndovc wrote:I believe that's a Martin MB1
I have a photo at home of a group of those. I'll try to find it.
I also have a fascination with vintage aircraft!
jb
Also, like OI, I thought the aircraft might have some kind of canard (I know, we're talking circa 1920-1932) but now I'm thinking there is an aircraft in front of this one (i.e., the aircraft doing the picture taking is third in line).
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Re: OT - Army Air Corp in Yosemite 1932 (?) Aircraft ID Please
Old Ironsights wrote:But the MB1 doesn't have a forward wing... like it sure looks like the OP has...
I think there's another plane in front and below it.
Not sure where I got the phot I have but I remeber that those pilots must have been some
tough hombres to fly those things. Open cockpits and all.
Sure was a different generation!
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Re: OT - Army Air Corp in Yosemite (ca. 1932) Aircraft ID Pls
Talk about a "Wing and a Prayer".!
Those things scare me just looking at em.....
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Re: OT - Army Air Corp in Yosemite (ca. 1932) Aircraft ID Pls
I'm going to say a version of the Wright Military Flyer. Has a foward "horizontal stabilizer" and side by side seating. But over Yosemite, I wonder where it launched from. Very possibly a promotional photo.
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Re: OT - Army Air Corp in Yosemite (ca. 1932) Aircraft ID Pls
Curtis B-2 Condor Note the second horizontal stabilizer on the tail.. This blends in with the wing of the forward plane tricking the eye various ways.. Note also the better view of the guy (engineer maybe) sitting in the engine gondola..
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Re: OT - Army Air Corp in Yosemite (ca. 1932) Aircraft ID Pls
That thing is making me crazy. I've looked through my entire unabridged Janes Encyclopedia of Aviation. No go. It is not a Martin.
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Re: OT - Army Air Corp in Yosemite (ca. 1932) Aircraft ID Pls
Yup, gotta go with the Curtiss B2 Condor
I'll have to dig around in my stash of old a/c pics to see if I have any of the Condor. I think I've got one of a Curtiss P6E though...
I'll have to dig around in my stash of old a/c pics to see if I have any of the Condor. I think I've got one of a Curtiss P6E though...
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Re: OT - Army Air Corp in Yosemite (ca. 1932) Aircraft ID Pls
I agree with BuffBoy, I think Ben nailed it. Curtis Condor B2. Entered service 1927~1928 so that makes more sense if photo truly is from 1932. Looks to me like both gondolas are occupied in the Yosemite photo.
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Re: OT - Army Air Corp in Yosemite (ca. 1932) Aircraft ID Pls
These are marked Vultees in Gardiner, Ca.
And, this is not then Gen. Chuck Yeager with them.
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Re: OT - Army Air Corp in Yosemite (ca. 1932) Aircraft ID Pls
Most of the Curtis B-2 Condors were in California at March Field, too.
Serials of Curtiss B-2 Condor
28-398/399 Curtiss B-2 Condor
28-398 DELIVERED 6/10/29, SURVEYED 10/3/34, MARCH FIELD
28-399 DELIVERED 8/10/29, SURVEYED 8/15/34, MARCH FIELD
29-028/037 Curtiss B-2 Condor
29-028 DELIVERED 10/10/29, WRECKED 12/4/29 (TWO KILLED), LANGLEY FIELD
29-029 DELIVERED 11/2/29, SURVEYED 10/3/34, MARCH FIELD
29-030 DELIVERED 10/17/29, CONVERTED TO B-2A 10/6/31, SURVEYED 12/22/33, MARCH
FIELD
29-031 DELIVERED 11/28/29, SURVEYED 8/6/34, MARCH FIELD
29-032 DELIVERED 12/9/29, SURVEYED 8/6/34, MARCH FIELD
29-033 DELIVERED 12/14/29, SURVEYED 8/6/34, MARCH FIELD
29-034 DELIVERED 12/22/29, SURVEYED 6/17/35, MARCH FIELD
29-035 DELIVERED 12/26/29, SURVEYED 5/23/33, MARCH FIELD
29-036 DELIVERED 1/4/30, SURVEYED 7/22/36, ABERDEEN PROVING GROUNDS
29-037 DELIVERED 1/16/30, SURVEYED 9/29/34, ABERDEEN PROVING GROUNDS
Specification of the Curtiss B-2 Condor:
Two 633 hp Curtiss V-1570-7 Conqueror liquid-cooled engines. Maximum speed 132 mph at sea level, 128 mph at 5000 feet. Cruising speed 114 mph, landing speed 53 mph. Service ceiling 17,100 feet, absolute ceiling 16,400 feet. Initial climb rate 850 feet per minute. An altitude of 5000 feet could be attained in 6.8 minutes. Range was 780 miles with 2508 pounds of bombs. Empty weight 9039 pounds, gross weight 16,516 pounds. Wingspan 90 feet, length 47 feet 6 inches, height 16 feet 3 inches, wing area 1499 square feet. Armed with two Lewis machine guns in each of the gunner positions at the rear of the engine nacelles, plus an additional pair of Lewis guns in the nose position. Bombload was normally 2508 pounds, but could be increased to 4000 pounds on short flights.
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Serials of Curtiss B-2 Condor
28-398/399 Curtiss B-2 Condor
28-398 DELIVERED 6/10/29, SURVEYED 10/3/34, MARCH FIELD
28-399 DELIVERED 8/10/29, SURVEYED 8/15/34, MARCH FIELD
29-028/037 Curtiss B-2 Condor
29-028 DELIVERED 10/10/29, WRECKED 12/4/29 (TWO KILLED), LANGLEY FIELD
29-029 DELIVERED 11/2/29, SURVEYED 10/3/34, MARCH FIELD
29-030 DELIVERED 10/17/29, CONVERTED TO B-2A 10/6/31, SURVEYED 12/22/33, MARCH
FIELD
29-031 DELIVERED 11/28/29, SURVEYED 8/6/34, MARCH FIELD
29-032 DELIVERED 12/9/29, SURVEYED 8/6/34, MARCH FIELD
29-033 DELIVERED 12/14/29, SURVEYED 8/6/34, MARCH FIELD
29-034 DELIVERED 12/22/29, SURVEYED 6/17/35, MARCH FIELD
29-035 DELIVERED 12/26/29, SURVEYED 5/23/33, MARCH FIELD
29-036 DELIVERED 1/4/30, SURVEYED 7/22/36, ABERDEEN PROVING GROUNDS
29-037 DELIVERED 1/16/30, SURVEYED 9/29/34, ABERDEEN PROVING GROUNDS
Specification of the Curtiss B-2 Condor:
Two 633 hp Curtiss V-1570-7 Conqueror liquid-cooled engines. Maximum speed 132 mph at sea level, 128 mph at 5000 feet. Cruising speed 114 mph, landing speed 53 mph. Service ceiling 17,100 feet, absolute ceiling 16,400 feet. Initial climb rate 850 feet per minute. An altitude of 5000 feet could be attained in 6.8 minutes. Range was 780 miles with 2508 pounds of bombs. Empty weight 9039 pounds, gross weight 16,516 pounds. Wingspan 90 feet, length 47 feet 6 inches, height 16 feet 3 inches, wing area 1499 square feet. Armed with two Lewis machine guns in each of the gunner positions at the rear of the engine nacelles, plus an additional pair of Lewis guns in the nose position. Bombload was normally 2508 pounds, but could be increased to 4000 pounds on short flights.
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