OT - a hunting air rifle

rjohns94 · Post by **rjohns94** » Thu Dec 27, 2007 11:18 am

Not interested in any of the big bore air rifles for large game, just for crows, rabbits, ground hogs, tree rats and the like. I am thinking about .22 caliber and some of the English and German rifles are coming in arond 30-40fpe in that caliber. I know that .20 is better for longer shooting but I think that the .22 will serve me well. I am thinking of a PCP type - specifically :

http://www.theoben.co.uk/product.php?productid=59

Was interested to hear your comments and experience in this area. GAMEKEEPER and NATH, any light you can shed on this would be great too since your country is huge on air rifle hunting. Thanks.

Rusty · Post by **Rusty** » Thu Dec 27, 2007 12:35 pm

Mike,
Try taking a look at www.airguns.net it is a web site run by a guy across the state from me but I've met him and he's a nice guy. There are gun tests there of a lot of different guns. Airguns are like a lot of other things. You'll look and look for information on it then one day out of the blue there will be a tidal wave of information.
IMHO the PCP guns are nice but you have to charge them somehow. My preference is for the Benjamin and if it weren't enough stock out of the box, I'd send it to Mac1. Either way you're going to get a good workout pumping something. I know they sell hand pumps for the PCP guns but have no idea how long it takes to pump up a bottle.

rjohns94 · Post by **rjohns94** » Thu Dec 27, 2007 12:46 pm

The PCP guns can be charged off a scuba tank and at full power, give about 30 - 50 shots , the 500 cc or 400 cc tank can be screwed out and another dropped in so all the "pumping" while in the field can be eliminated. A session of "low power shooting" at 12 fpe, will yield about 420 shots per 500cc tank. This was my thinking on the PCP. I won't shoot more than 30-50 shots while in the field shooting starlings and such so thats why I was staying away from the pumps. I have a break action spring air rilfe in .177 with a scope. I will be donating it to a forum member's child via drawing should I get this new pellet rifle. I had a sheridan blue streak once before and it shot very well and was the demise of many a crow and small game and varmits.

Jeeps · Post by **Jeeps** » Thu Dec 27, 2007 2:17 pm

There was another thread about airguns on here is last few days.

Someone posted a link for a site that had alot of brands for sale.

http://www.airgundepot.com/airforce-con ... 1043c.html

Here it is I just went back and looked it up.

The one that caught my eye was "airforce" brand. It had a tank much the same size as a paint ball gun and it looked pretty close too. It had an intergral
scope mount I believe.

The description said up to 75 shots and with the .22 it claimed 1250 fps

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Thu Dec 27, 2007 3:39 pm

Here's a Gamo "hunter Extreme" at work...

http://video.aol.com/video-detail/air-r ... 3380369762

Rusty · Post by **Rusty** » Thu Dec 27, 2007 5:03 pm

You didn't say if you are a certified scuba diver or not and if there is a dive shop in your area. Those were two things I was thinking about. You need to have both to be able to get a scuba tank refilled. Shops around here will not fill a tanks without certification, period. I've been certified since 1974.

That's a good thing to bring up by the way. As far as I know there is no law that requires a person to be a certified diver to be able to get air or buy equipment. I don't know of any shops that will break this self imposed law. this is something they have set up within their industry. Maybe other industries could take note of this as well.

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horsesoldier03 · Post by **horsesoldier03** » Thu Dec 27, 2007 6:02 pm

I would think that you could get an air tank filled at a welding supply shop as well or a place that would handle compressed tanks air tanks, oxygen, accetelyne etc.

rjohns94 · Post by **rjohns94** » Thu Dec 27, 2007 6:10 pm

I was a navy hardhat diver/combat swimmer. I have been certified since 1977 in civilian world. I do have a dive shop near me.

Post by **Ysabel Kid** » Fri Dec 28, 2007 12:17 am

I have often thought it would be fun to hook up a BB gun to a air compressor - the kind used for air tools - and then shoot it full auto!

rjohns94 · Post by **rjohns94** » Fri Dec 28, 2007 12:55 am

they have bb gatling guns.

Post by **Ysabel Kid** » Fri Dec 28, 2007 12:56 am

rjohns94 wrote:they have bb gatling guns.

Who? Where?

rjohns94 · Post by **rjohns94** » Fri Dec 28, 2007 7:45 am

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt ... m=87042443

this auction is ended but you get the idea. a google search for bb gatling gun shows many hits

AJMD429 · Post by **AJMD429** » Fri Dec 28, 2007 8:03 am

Ysabel Kid wrote:I have often thought it would be fun to hook up a BB gun to a air compressor - the kind used for air tools - and then shoot it full auto!

They HAD one like that that used one pound cans of freon, in the 1960's (probably why we're all gonna die now from global warming

).

Newsweek magazine took an advertisement for it where the guy shooting it had an army helmet and a cigar in his mouth looking all tough, and put it in their article on how we needed the gun control act of 1968. They implied it was an ad for a machine gun for sale by mail-order, for $39.95, and since they covered up the part of the advertisement that said it was a "BB gun" and ran off compressed air/freon, the other news media went ballistic over the fact that 'our kids could be buying machine guns - weapons of mass murder - by mail order, for less than fifty dollars!'

You want Gatling-style BB FUN - check this out - http://www.pipersprecisionproducts.com/

Post by **Ysabel Kid** » Fri Dec 28, 2007 9:05 am

You realize that when I show my son these sites/videos, I am never going to hear the end of it!

Oh well, I spend half my life in the doghouse anyway...

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Fri Dec 28, 2007 10:49 am

Ysabel Kid wrote:I have often thought it would be fun to hook up a BB gun to a air compressor - the kind used for air tools - and then shoot it full auto!

Have you ever read the "Conrad Starrgarrd"/"Crosstime Engineer" series?

Sort of a "Conneticut Yankee" story where a Mechanical Engineer gets dropped into pro-mongol-invasion Poland and decides to "save" Poland (He's Polish).

Since he's a mechanical engineer and not a chemist - with no knowledge of Black Powder - he develops compressed-air/steam machine-guns firing iron balls...

Makes a mess of the mongol hordes...

Rusty · Post by **Rusty** » Fri Dec 28, 2007 11:44 am

Sorry rjohns, I didn't mean to insult you. Thank you for your service to our country. I thought about trying to be a U.S. Navy diver when I was in high school but the recruiter talked me out of it.

When I was a kid we used to go to the boardwalk in Daytona Beach, Fl. Way in the back in one of the arcades they had a shooting gallery that had rows and rows of little ducks moving across in front of you. There were six or seven air powered BB machine guns that had spade grips on them. You'd put in a quarter and get a minute of shooting at the ducks. It was years later that I saw that exact same type of gun in a picture showing how they used them in WWII for gunnery practice.

Rusty <><

rjohns94 · Post by **rjohns94** » Fri Dec 28, 2007 12:49 pm

Rusty, You had no idea of my background. For those lurking, it was good info. My research is leading me in two directions on this topic. A PCP rifle is more powerful but alot lounder without an attenuator. The spring air, less powerful but quieter. I may need two guns!!!!

gamekeeper · Post by **gamekeeper** » Fri Dec 28, 2007 3:24 pm

Personally I find that type of air rifle a pain in the butt. If I have to use an air gun I prefer the single shot break barrel type. My son uses a Webley .177 and it's deadly on rabbits, squirrels and crows. I use a .22 BSA but it does not have the quality of the old BSAs.
If I need low power repeat shots I just load my 9422 with CB longs.
Having to fill up from an air bottle plus the weight of these air guns takes away the usefulness. They are acurate and well made and if they suit your kind of hunting fine but I like a gun I can pick up and fire without any fuss!

deerwhacker444 · Post by **deerwhacker444** » Fri Dec 28, 2007 3:35 pm

Not quite sure how I feel about the "Hog with an Air Rifle" video...

IMO, that doesn't show much respect for the animal. Although it was a clean kill, it could have gone terribly wrong.

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Fri Dec 28, 2007 3:37 pm

deerwhacker444 wrote:Not quite sure how I feel about the "Hog with an Air Rifle" video...

IMO, that doesn't show much respect for the animal. Although it was a clean kill, it could have gone terribly wrong.

Yes, but still... it does display the capability of the rifle at the hands of a skilled moron...

Blaine · Post by **Blaine** » Fri Dec 28, 2007 3:54 pm

Lewis and Clark regularly took deer sized game with their compressed air rifles......You get a 40+ caliber going any speed at all, and it will penetrate pretty darn good......

Old Ironsights · Post by **Old Ironsights** » Fri Dec 28, 2007 4:10 pm

That Gamo is a .177...

But yeah. I'm a HUGE fan of the Lewis and Clark Girandoni...

http://www.beemans.net/lewis-assault-rifle.htm
http://www.beemans.net/Austrian%20airguns.htm
http://www.beemans.net/Lewis%20&%20Clark%20Airgun.htm

Seriously High Tech pneumatics... especially for the 1700s.

Oh, BTW, don't EVEN try to moderate your airgun.

http://www.beemans.net/silencers_on_airguns.htm

BATFE will treat you as if you had a suppressed, sterile UZI.

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