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I never was big on the 444 Marlin cartridge . However I bought my first back about 2002 in the Marlin 444P .That was my third Marlin if memory serves ! Started with an 1895M followed by a 1895CB and then the 444P . I still have all three I might add !

Anyway I took the 444P out and killed a deer or two with it and 250 grain Nosler Partition handloads . Worked well enough and so I put it away in the safe . Even robbed the Leupold Vari XII 1-4 I had on top for another Marlin of some type .

I didn't really have any intrest in another 444 until a few years later . Can't remmember if I got the 444XLR or LNIB 444SS . Anyway they came on the scene pretty much at the same time .And both worked well with handloads ! The XLR was blooded using handloaded Hornady 265's while I started the 444SS with handloaded Speer 270's . That year I popped an okay 8 point with the XLR and the Hornady bullet and then later I wacked 5 slicks with the 444SS and the Speer 270 . And as the saying goes they performed well ! And so after the season they went into the safe !

Sometime shortly after that I decided I wanted one of the 444 Marlin's with the straight grip and monte carlo stock . So I found one at a semi local auction . This one was made in 1971 the last year of manufacture for this model ! Later I noticed it had a square lever which at first I thought was incorrect as the previouse years all had rounded levers . Investigation and forum questions satisfied me that all 1971 models had the square lever . Well at least the straight stocked monte carlo rifles .
So then I decided I needed a rounded lever First Model to go with the squared lever rifle and I also thought it would be cool to have one of the ones with the PG and barrel bands that was made from 1971 until 1975 !
So the next thing you know I have a rounded lever rifle that was made in 1968 and a second model with the PG and BB's that was made in 1971 (the first year of manufacture for this model) .
Well since that time I've thought it would be intresting to get one for each year of manufacture of both these models or versions whichever you care to call them !
So now I'm at FIVE of the First Models and TWO of the Second Models .

Now the rifles unto themselves is not that big a deal ! However I decided I needed to shoot cast in them all and a different bullet in each ! Now somewhere during all this Ranch Dog sent me one of his "Original" 432-285GC molds and the race was on so to speak !

After that the first year I had the original 3 rifles set up with Ranch Dog cast bullets and Leupold variable scopes .

Then this year the other 4 rifles were added to the mix and I saw reason to start using the older Weaver fixed power scopes ! As I was constantly moving scopes during the course of deer season . And it's way cheaper to spend $40-70 dollars on and old Weaver then a couple hundred on a new Leupold variable . Another thing to eat money :roll:

So before you know it I have a box full of old Weavers and Weaver mounts . To say nothing of the ever growing pile of 44 caliber molds suitable for use in lever rifles .

At the beginning with the 444P I truely believed and still do for the most part that the Nosler 250 Partition will do anything in a 444 that I need done !
But now I have gone way way past the 250 grain mark ! Almost by 100 grains to date :!:

Seems here lately I find myself looking for new molds to try in these rifles and of course guns that fit in my collection for the years I don't have !

And I suppose the fact that I have become a little gung ho about this thing is okay !

But it's just APPALLING to me that I never really cared for the 444 Marlin that much to begin with :D
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Ok that's all fine and a nice narrative and all, but where's the pic's???? :)


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Suckered were you? :lol:
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hey 6

I can't wait for the tale of the guns you WERE SMITTEN with.. that should read as good as this one does. nice story. sorry you're stuck with all those medium bores. :lol:
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You might enjoy reading Ken Waters on this cartridge.
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I've known many drinkers, they hated beer. But after they drank a rail car full over a period of time, they acquired a taste for it. Now, that's all they drink. I've got a brand new 444 Marlin I bought about 18 months ago, unfired as yet. After reading your story, I think I want to hunt with that one this season. Who knows, may catch the same bug that got you. :D
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I'm appalled that you would post such a story since I've been trying to figure out if I want (not need :wink: ) one... :?

Even more appalling is the lack of pics.... :lol:
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Old Savage wrote:You might enjoy reading Ken Waters on this cartridge.
I have what he wrote in 68 or 69 in my "Pet Loads" . He didn't seem to big on cast in the old bird !
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Grizz wrote:hey 6

I can't wait for the tale of the guns you WERE SMITTEN with.. that should read as good as this one does. nice story. sorry you're stuck with all those medium bores. :lol:
You know I can't really say I "dislike" any cartridge !

But there are some I like better then others !

The 32-40 probably heads the list with the 32 Special and 32-20 not far behind !

Now if we were to get into bolt actions ! Woww there are many many ! 6mm's , 6.5mm's , 7mm's and 8mm's that are it for me ! Also kinda like the 9.3mm's although I have never owned one !

Also like the 375 H&H MAG and the 416 REM MAG ! And of course you can't leave out the 204 Ruger or 25-06 or ............ This could go on for days !
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Sounds to me like you are purely addicted to Marlin .444's.
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Okay some pics :!:

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The 444XLR with a 8 point VA whitetail I killed in 2006 .

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The 444SS with a slick I killed in Virginia in 2006 !

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The 444P is second up from the bottom !


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The top is a Second Model circa 1971 ,
next down is a First Model circa 1971 ,
next down is a First Model circa 1968 ,
and on the bottom is a First Model circa 1965 the first year of manufacture !


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Top is a Second Model of 1975 vintage ,
middle is a First Model of 1970 vintage ,
at the bottom is a First Model of 1966 vintage !


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And the oddball in the bunch ! My H&R Handi Rifle in 444 Marlin !
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Cast bullets for the 444 !

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The Ranch Dog 44 caliber trio !

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"Boomer Mikey's" castboolit group buy 434-330GC bullet ! After Lee was finished with it turned out to be 315 grains !

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On the left castboolits group buy 434-207GC !
On the right the Lyman 429640HP "Devastater" .

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On the left the NEI #263B 429-310GC .
On the right is the NEI #266 429-330GC .
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Great pictures.
Really nice wood on one of those!!
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6pt-sika wrote:
Grizz wrote:hey 6

I can't wait for the tale of the guns you WERE SMITTEN with.. that should read as good as this one does. nice story. sorry you're stuck with all those medium bores. :lol:
You know I can't really say I "dislike" any cartridge !

But there are some I like better then others !

The 32-40 probably heads the list with the 32 Special and 32-20 not far behind !

Now if we were to get into bolt actions ! Woww there are many many ! 6mm's , 6.5mm's , 7mm's and 8mm's that are it for me ! Also kinda like the 9.3mm's although I have never owned one !

Also like the 375 H&H MAG and the 416 REM MAG ! And of course you can't leave out the 204 Ruger or 25-06 or ............ This could go on for days !
I share your fondness of the 9.3. I had a beautifully shooting CZ 550 FS in 9.3x62. Let it get away though. 1886.
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nice story aand great pics.
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Is the breakopen as accurate, or more accurate, than your average lever action ones?

I've thought about an Encore barrel in .444 Marlin, but can't decide vs. a .460 S&W (so I could fire .454 Casulls for 'light days' :lol: ).
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AJMD429 wrote:Is the breakopen as accurate, or more accurate, than your average lever action ones?

I've thought about an Encore barrel in .444 Marlin, but can't decide vs. a .460 S&W (so I could fire .454 Casulls for 'light days' :lol: ).

IMHO , buy the H&R Handi Rifle over a barrel for the Encore !

I have a Encore Pro Hunter with a ML , 12 slug and 338 Federal barrels . And to be honest I feel like I wasted $1400 on this whole mess ! Although the 338 Federal does shoot pretty well !

But back to your real question I think the H&R shoots about the same as the Marlin's !

I have a H&R Ultra Sug Hunter Deluxe 20 gauge that shoots better then I can !

I've been thinking about taking my Pro Hunter frame getting a custom shop 444 pistol barrel and using it that way .
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6pt, you might be able to answer this since you brought up the Handi.

How's the recoil of the .444 out of one? I have the .45-70 Buffalo Classic and it'll whomp me pretty good unless I use the GOEX BP cartridges.
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awp101 wrote:6pt, you might be able to answer this since you brought up the Handi.

How's the recoil of the .444 out of one? I have the .45-70 Buffalo Classic and it'll whomp me pretty good unless I use the GOEX BP cartridges.

The Handi Rifle in 444 is HEAVY ! It also has a recoil pad ! So to me recoil isn't bad at all but then I never had a 444 thump me until I started messing with 330 grain bullets and they still aren't what I'd call bad !
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6pt-sika wrote:
awp101 wrote:6pt, you might be able to answer this since you brought up the Handi.

How's the recoil of the .444 out of one? I have the .45-70 Buffalo Classic and it'll whomp me pretty good unless I use the GOEX BP cartridges.

The Handi Rifle in 444 is HEAVY ! It also has a recoil pad ! So to me recoil isn't bad at all but then I never had a 444 thump me until I started messing with 330 grain bullets and they still aren't what I'd call bad !
Hmmm, is it the bbl making it so heavy or is it a different frame?

I'm curious because I have the Buff and a regular SB2 with synthetic furniture. I plan on replacing the plastic with wood one day but it still seems like a light frame for the caliber.
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awp101 wrote:Hmmm, is it the bbl making it so heavy or is it a different frame?
The barrel the frame looks pretty standard .
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