SIG P320s are scary

[Scott Tschirhart]

Not sure what’s happened to SiG.

https://youtu.be/cLUYnVwiqC4?si=_WMGvnBnccjDOld-

[OldWin]

Sounds like a product of corruption and shady government deals. Just like that rifle they're selling them.
But that's just me. If I'm wrong, I'll stand corrected.

[Scott Tschirhart]

I’ve never handled a 320. There’s a lot of smoke for there to be no fire….pun intended.

[JimT]

Alec Baldwin! That was funny ... in twisted sort of way.

[Ysabel Kid]

I am not a fan of striker-fired pistols, but I do own a P320. I like mine, but would probably like it a lot less if it just up and went off by itself. Ian at Forgotten Weapons just dropped a video on this same topic. I like his recommendation; discontinue the P320 and phase it out. The new P365XL does everything the P320 does, but is based on a tried and true mechanism with proven safety features.

It's a shame because Sig used to be known for its high quality. Shows you how easy a company can trash its hard-earned reputation.

[stretch]

Alec Baldwin! That was funny ... in twisted sort of way.

I kinda liked that myself!

-Stretch

[Griff]

I've never owned a Sig... not likely to either.

[Scott Tschirhart]

A friend just sent an email from SIG. It is designed to address all the issues that are affecting their reputation. Not sure I buy any of it.

But I don’t own a 320 and have no real dog in this fight.

[Paladin]

I am not a fan of striker-fired pistols, but I do own a P320. I like mine, but would probably like it a lot less if it just up and went off by itself. Ian at Forgotten Weapons just dropped a video on this same topic. I like his recommendation; discontinue the P320 and phase it out. The new P365XL does everything the P320 does, but is based on a tried and true mechanism with proven safety features.

It's a shame because Sig used to be known for its high quality. Shows you how easy a company can trash its hard-earned reputation.

I have two, one from a friend at a price I could not refuse and one I won at an NRA dinner. I like them, but don't trust them now as there will be an enhanced liability if anything happens after all the publicity.

[4t5]

Now known as Sig SOUR P320.

[AJMD429]

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I think it is a mistake to assume that every other product from SIG must be flawed.

Pretty much any company that makes enough guns is sooner or later going to come out with one that has problems. The big difference is how they handle that. Ideally, they would get an outside testing agency to rapidly determine if there is a problem, and if so, issue a recall immediately.

Unfortunately, once a company gets a bunch of big government contracts that might be dropped if they change anything, that makes them reluctant to admit if there is a problem.

The same thing happens in the liability area because if you admit you issued a defective product, even if you do everything possible to recall and mitigate the issue, attorneys will use that against you. So it becomes strategically a better path to deny that there is a problem, and hope that no one else can prove otherwise.

While SIG has certainly dropped a few notches in my estimation of their integrity, that does not mean that there are other guns have problems, unless they share mechanical similarities with the
320. The only SIG that I own is a 938, and since it is pretty much based on a broiling design, I have no concerns for it reliability or safety. Further, I tend to favor exposed hammer designs, which I think are inherently safer than striker fired guns, particularly the ones who have the resting state involve a fully cocked striker.

So I guess to me it goes back to the way I think of all the firearms; is the design proven, reliable and safe overtime, or is it new? If it is new, do I trust the integrity of the company enough to assume it is safe and reliable?

These days, I don’t think there are any companies that I trust, particularly, because government contracts and the emotionally laden area of tort law, really distort the market.

[4t5]

This thing with sig has me rethinking my firearms.

I have a s&w shield , great gun so far , a little snappy, but expected for a light weight pistol .
Recently purchased a body guard 2.0 , cool little gun , soft shooting , but tries to rip primers out of cases.
Anyhow, I put my s&w 642 away in favor of the body guard ( pocket carry ), but I now have put away a revolver with springs at REST , for a pistol which may have enough spring tension to fire , without trigger input, my pocket.
I’m just thinking a striker fire will never be as safe as a revolver .

[Ysabel Kid]

Now known as Sig SOUR P320.

[Ysabel Kid]

I have two, one from a friend at a price I could not refuse and one I won at an NRA dinner. I like them, but don't trust them now as there will be an enhanced liability if anything happens after all the publicity. [/color]

I hadn't thought about the liability angle. A very good point...

[2ndovc]

A friend of my dad’s went to the range with him a few years ago and now he’s hooked on target shooting.
He had sent him an email asking about the Sig 320. He then asked me about them.
I told him to skip the Sig and sent along the link below. Then suggested he look at the Smith M&Ps and the HK VP 9 or P30.

jb
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlo ... reserved=0

[samsi]

I was favorably impressed with the 320 when it came out, good ergonomics and a decent trigger, but at the same time I had reservations about the lack of a manual safety or a blade safety trigger on a striker fired gun. Glad I held off on getting one.

[vancelw]

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I think it is a mistake to assume that every other product from SIG must be flawed.

I have owned exactly one Sig and will never own another.
Are they ALL flawed? Probably not.
But what failure rate is worth the risk?

If you gave me a a Sig I'd torch it and throw it in the lake.

[41Redhawk]

I wonder if this supposed defect affects the SAO versions of the 320?

[Ysabel Kid]

I think there have been over half a dozen videos come out in the last week covering this topic. I got the e-mail too, and it was insufficient. I know any good corporate lawyer will tell their company to never admit any quilt, but when a company is getting this level of negative press from many supporters of their industry, you need to act more decisively.

I know it would be horrendously expensive, but IMHO what Sig ought to do is replace the entire trigger group on ALL the P320's and variants. The barrels are fine, as are the grip frames (and the latter are cheap). The only issue they'd face on this, other than the cost, is that the trigger group is the serialized portion of these pistols. Still, they have a proven design (the P365), and since they are apparently unaware of what is actually wrong with the P320, they should be proactively playing it safe than sorry.

Or they can continue to stall, and more people will get injured or possibly killed. The liability on that is going to be horrendous. The reputational damage may be unrecoverable.

[Scott Tschirhart]

I hate that we have to be so careful about what is true and what is not. There’s so much on the internet that I wonder about.

[JimT]

I hate that we have to be so careful about what is true and what is not. There’s so much on the internet that I wonder about.

I am pretty much skeptical of everything I read on the internet that is not posted by someone I know. I am pretty sure it will only get worse.

[Pisgah]

SIG, like many if not most corporations, has fallen into what I'd call the "Remington Syndrome": The 700 was a cash cow for them for decades, but they KNEW all along it had a trigger design flaw -- the guy who designed it told them so! What to do? In their minds, simple math. Will we lose more from liability suits than we'll gain from sales? They chose sales...

Love my P365, but... screw 'em.

[Bronco]

The IDPA thinks they are scary also !
https://www.idpa.com/

[Sarge]

The M18/320 thing is unfortunate but it doesn't change the fact Sig has consistently produced top-tier guns like the P210, P22X DA/SA pistols and the 556 Series rifles. All have well earned reputations for 99+ percent reliability and I wouldn't hesitate a second to buy one. I've got a P226 40 that shoots as well as 1911s I've fitted with a match barrel & bushing.

The only plastic pistol I like is the Springfield XD Series. Points naturally, has a grip safety, enough grip length for a normal sized hand. We've had 40's in the family, since they first came out, absolutely reliable with good reloads or factory ammo.

I have zero brand loyalty and no desire to be the ethics police. I just like pistols that run and shoot great.