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The problem with SpyGate being exposed...

#1 Post by AJMD429 » Wed May 22, 2019 10:23 pm

The thing that is so frustrating is that you have several 'groups' when it comes to all this:

1. The Trump Supporters - of course they are going to want to expose the things the Democrats did, and want to see real consequences, both in terms of making it less likely this will ever happen again, as well as putting the guilty parties behind bars.

2. The Apathetic - the people who simply pay no attention to 'politics' are going to be apathetic, and the only extent they care about 'politics' is if their supply of 'free stuff' is threatened.

3. The Ruling Class - the ones either in power themselves, or sucking at the teat of government, due to government grants funding their 'non-profit', or favorable legislation feathering their corporate nests, only care about what they get from government, just like the Apathetic.

4. The Academics - the usually-well-intentioned crowd that lives in their insulated academic bubble, is inclined to love big government because they see themselves as among those described in Thomas Sowell's "The Vision of The Anointed" and feel that someone has to run things, and tell all the stupid people what to do, so they are happy to assume that role.

5. The Moderates - these are the bulk of ordinary working-class people, and mostly they have tended to vote for whatever party their parents voted for. Back when Republican and Democrat parties mostly differed about fringe issues or trivial issues, but agreed on core issues of freedom, responsibility, and national security, it didn't matter all that much which party one voted for. Since the parties have drifted 'right' and 'left', and due to the multi-dimensional nature of politics, that means BOTH parties favor bigger government, just different versions of it, and both parties have lost members due to many ordinary people wanting LESS big-government. The spin-off Tea Party managed to influence some Republicans to pull away from the government-fixes-everything mentality, and Trump has done so as well, holding the party together so far, but nobody has done the same for the Democrats, and their party is disintegrating, with members voting Republican, if not 'becoming' Republican, and these are the people who 'swing' public policy so much these days.

6. The Socialists - they will never support anything other than the farthest-left candidates and policies, and include those suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome. They would gladly emulate Russia, China, or Venezuela if it would destroy Trump and take money from the wealthy.

Together the Apathetic and Ruling and Academic groups form the core of the Democrat Party these days, although the Moderates are being driven away, some by deep analysis of the New Democrat's flawed economic and social policies, but likely more by simply seeing how hypocritical the Democrat leadership is.

Of course group 1 supports the SpyGate exposure, and group 6 opposes it.

Groups 2, 3, and 4 you would think would support it, to the extent that they ought to want a stable political system, because if it fails, their Golden Goose is going to quit laying. However, THEY OPERATE IN A DIFFERENT ETHICAL WORLD...! For many in those groups the mantra is The Ends Justify The Means, and it just doesn't matter if the FISA applications contained lies, distortions, or deceptions, because that's the way you get things done... All three groups tend to be somewhat 'entitled', for different reasons, but resulting in the same end - if you are 'special' (poorer, smarter, or view yourself as a community leader), then you somehow deserve things more than others, and if you have to tip the scales a bit, or even cheat, or even use violence, to get what you want/deserve, then that's ok.

Group 5 will be the ones to watch. They are more 'ordinary' people, and hopefully less selfish, and more likely to view the world as a place where they are a participant who should prioritize raising good kids, serving their community, expressing their moral values through their own lifestyle, and helping to keep the nation safe from external threats, and a place where things are safe and stable so other people can have a fair chance to attain those same goals (versus 2, 3, and 4's materialistic goals of getting more wealth than others even if it means tearing others down instead of working to build themselves up, and forcing their moral and material views on others instead of allowing others to have the same freedom they do to live their life their own way). Anyway, one would hope that this large group of 'Moderates' see the huge threat to national stability that is posed not only by the SpyGate problem, but the extreme socialist policies those same political officials want to enact. Not all Moderates yet realize that socialism ALWAYS leads to poverty, even MORE 'wealth inequality', and violence, often disproportionately affecting the 'women, children, and minorities' the socialists pretend to advocate for. Many still think 'socialism' is Denmark, but I think they are finally seeing the news around the world, listening to people like Jordan Peterson and Candace Owens, and opening their eyes.

The question remains whether they will DEMAND that their legislators go after the perpetrators of SpyGate aggressively, and prosecute them, and lock them up, or if they will just want to 'smooth things over' and move on with the status quo.

We will see......
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Re: The problem with SpyGate being exposed...

#2 Post by Old Savage » Wed May 22, 2019 11:42 pm

Yes, we shall see. What you ate saying is similar to the way I see/watch it.
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#3 Post by AJMD429 » Thu May 23, 2019 2:02 pm

The other interesting thing is that if you read the older political writings (not just a couple centuries ago when our nation was founded, but even older stuff), the debates between central planning versus grassroots adapting, and between regulated versus free-market economies, are timeless and have been well-hashed-out, just like the debate over civilian firearms ownership. The 'youth' of today (anyone under about 60) seems oblivious to actually READING anything, especially if written by old white guys. Perhaps if they published in HuffPo under an assumed 'ethnic' name, they would gain an audience. So the economic illiteracy among the majority of people in their 20's, 30's, and 40's is bad enough that even if they decided to 'read and learn', they would have to start at a remedial level (plus, what 6th graders were expected to read a century ago would now be college-level material if it pertains to economics, political science, or other 'social' issues, versus the 'STEM' fields where it is the opposite).
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#4 Post by Grizz » Thu May 23, 2019 4:47 pm

You might have over-analyzed it a bit.

It's a binary thing, sheep or goats, and the eventual outcome is not in doubt. In the meanwhile we can ignore or enjoy the meantime. Eh? :wink:

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#5 Post by BlaineG » Fri May 24, 2019 2:26 pm

Since Judges are hardly ever interested in the rule of law..especially Obama Judges....it won't matter a bit what happens. About half of us don't pay income tax, and that's the half that will vote socialist. :evil:
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#6 Post by piller » Mon May 27, 2019 4:05 pm

An Obama Judge in Utah just found himself in deep kimchi over his comments from the bench. He has 6 months off without pay for his harassment in the courtroom of Republican defendants.
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#7 Post by AJMD429 » Mon May 27, 2019 10:50 pm

piller wrote:
Mon May 27, 2019 4:05 pm
An Obama Judge in Utah just found himself in deep kimchi over his comments from the bench. He has 6 months off without pay for his harassment in the courtroom of Republican defendants.
Well.....that's a START....! Several hundred more need the same treatment... :evil:
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#8 Post by Pitchy » Wed May 29, 2019 4:07 pm

I have a saying, if a Democrats lips are moving they`er lying :wink:
All i know is this chit needs to stop but what i`m worried about is the closer we get to the election and the more chit that comes out against the Dems the more risk Trump faces.
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#9 Post by Pitchy » Wed May 29, 2019 6:47 pm

This all reminds me of old pictures of people sitting around the radio listening to propaganda or news that`s just what they want you to hear.
Nadler is one of the worse propaganda lairs of all times.
Folks wake up see the forest through the trees your be lied too.
Well i`ll tell you now they only think they`er getting away with this stuff but God is in control and in the end they will pay a terrible price.
Sure this is aggravating but in the end we win.
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