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The BIGGEST Single Mistake the U.S. Made...

#1 Post by AJMD429 » Wed Oct 31, 2018 7:54 pm

Any time something develops a problem, whether it is a computer program, a machine, or a deer-hunt, and the outcome is less than perfect, a reasonable person will go back and analyze it, and try to figure out how it could have been done differently, and worked better.

So the U.S. has been around almost 250 years, and is floundering a bit, as seems to be the rule for many 'democracies' (which we are NOT supposed to be) after a couple hundred years. Some speculate it is just an inevitable outcome of ten generations of people, where for the first three or so, there is great sacrifice, and great awareness and appreciation for the society that they created, then the next few generations start to enjoy the leisure time, luxuries, and freedoms, without acutely knowing what the 'sacrifices' or 'alternatives' really are. Those generations uphold the social order mostly due to 'tradition' and respect for their predecessors, but start making 'exceptions' for their own self-interest, slowly morphing their government from republic to democracy. Finally, the last few generations assume that the system is supposed to be a 'democracy', and have become so far removed from the founding of their nation, and the discussions and debates over why things were set up that way, that they assume that whatever the 'majority' wants should be acquiesced to.

We seem to be there now, as the younger voters (and some older ones) simply assume that it is somehow "ok" for the government to do things like establish a 'minimum wage', or manage 'health care' or 'education' or 'housing' at the federal level.

I think, looking back on it, that the biggest single mistake that could have avoided this was limiting the vote to one-vote-per-person. I understand at the time it might have made balloting more difficult, but currently, we always seem to have to choose the 'lesser of two evils', so if a Democrat is 95% socialist, but the Republican is 90% socialist, we have to vote for the Republican to avoid the Democrat, even if there is a Libertarian on the ballot that is 10% socialist, and agrees FAR more with the nations Constitutional founders than either of the other two candidates. If in fact you do vote for the Libertarian (or 'Constitutional' candidate, or whatever), you may well 'throw the election' and get the Democrat, if more erstwhile Republican voters vote Libertarian than do erstwhile Democrats.

I do vote Libertarian when there isn't a Democrat in the race, or if there is a Democrat who clearly has no chance of winning, partly to 'move' the Republicans towards Liberty, and partly because occasionally a local office gets filled by a Libertarian, and as a Constitutionalist, I lean far more 'libertarian' than 'Republican', as do MOST of the 'conservatives' I am acquainted with. MOST of us want less taxes (where as Republicans just increase them a bit less than Democrats), and MOST of us want no firearms restrictions (where as Republicans often accept 'reasonable' things like 'background checks' because they are clueless as to what those can lead to), and MOST of us don't want to fund the 'War on Drugs' (where as Republican politicians seem to thrive on micromanaging what intoxicants people use, even if the end result is price-support for violent drug-dealing gangs that only exist because of the 'War on Drugs'). I would definitely vote for BOTH the Libertarian AND the Republican in most elections, and I know some not-too-retarded Democrats who would actually vote for the Libertarian AND the Democrat, because they realize 'gun control' is stupid, or they realize the Democrat's "environmentalism" is mostly symbolic gestures that favor certain big businesses, and often actually endanger the environment.

The end result of voting for whatever candidates you'd accept, instead of only one, would be that instead of the all-too-often "choice" between a Democrat who is 5% libertarian and 95% socialist, and a Republican who is 10% libertarian and 90% socialist, we might see some movement towards true libertarian philosophy, which is what our nation's founders mostly favored. Even if we didn't elect the 'libertarian', we would at least see the Republican candidate have to move more towards LIBERTY instead of just be slightly less socialist than the Democrat.

At least in this race, hopefully the Libertarian 'message' will influence the Republican, who hopefully will now go on to WIN over the Dumbascrap. https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018 ... n-liberty/ Too bad the Libertarian can't actually have any of the votes he gets transfer to the Republican, though. :|

Instead of having to actually SUPPORT liberty, right now all the Republicans have to do is be just a little-bit-less socialist than the Democrats, and that's how we get in these situations where Obamacare passes, and where even when we manage to get a tax CUT, the government just spends more, and blames the 'deficit' on the tax cut.... :roll:

I realize we probably will never get a chance to go back for a do-over, but if we do, ballots should all be like the local ones for school board or county council, and we should be allowed to vote for ANY acceptable candidate, with the highest total winning.

By the way, all ballots should be cast on PAPER, folded, and placed in a large, plexiglas container in full-view of everyone until they are hand-counted by appointees with observers from all political parties. To vote, you should have to show an ID, and once that ID has been signed-in, it should be locked out from voting in any other precinct. THAT part could be electronic, as could the totaling of votes from precinct on up (since it can be rechecked manually).

If they would only make me King......... :lol:
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Re: The BIGGEST Single Mistake the U.S. Made...

#2 Post by FWiedner » Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:17 pm

I believe that we already allow too many unworthy people that haven't demonstrated either the intelligence or the consideration of civic responsibility to vote.

I believe that birthright citizenship should be abolished, even for those who are borne of Americans that are already citizens. Citizenship should be earned via examination, or through service performed, and then by oath, or all three.

A civics examination, military or community service, and then an oath of citizenship.

That way A CITIZEN demonstrates that they know something about our country and government, they've done something to prove that they give a darn, and they've sworn to forego all other loyalties, and to honor the laws of THIS nation.

Maybe it should be a requirement to graduate from any secondary or post secondary education program.

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#3 Post by AJMD429 » Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:22 pm

I agree....!
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Re: The BIGGEST Single Mistake the U.S. Made...

#4 Post by BlaineG » Fri Nov 02, 2018 12:09 pm

AJMD429 wrote:
Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:22 pm
I agree....!
:roll: Yeah, that pesky Constitution keeps getting in the way of common sense. Thank God.
Every Libertarian Vote = a vote for socialism. It's called LoserTarian for a very good reason.
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#5 Post by Ysabel Kid » Sat Nov 10, 2018 5:31 pm

Skin in the game. I'd keep it simple; if you are on the public dole, you can't vote. That does not include earned benefits (though those should be phased out after our obligations to those who paid in are met). People should be treated as adults, and do adult things like save for their retirement, health care, etc. If the government did not outright steal our hard-earned money we could afford to save for ourselves.
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Re: The BIGGEST Single Mistake the U.S. Made...

#6 Post by AJMD429 » Sat Nov 10, 2018 6:00 pm

BlaineG wrote:
Fri Nov 02, 2018 12:09 pm
AJMD429 wrote:
Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:22 pm
I agree....!
:roll: Yeah, that pesky Constitution keeps getting in the way of common sense. Thank God.
Every Libertarian Vote = a vote for socialism. It's called LoserTarian for a very good reason.
If you want to have a change, let's do two primaries and let the top two vie for the prize.
The 'LoserTarians' seem to be FAR more respectful for the 'pesky Constitution' than the drug-war-obsessed RINOs posing as 'Republicans'.

As far as 'every libertarian vote = a vote for socialism' - you missed where I've said I would NOT vote Libertarian when there is a chance that the Dumbascrap might win, even if it means voting for a RINO instead of a real Republican. I only vote Libertarian when there is NO chance a Dumbascrap might win - why? - because if I can place a Libertarian in a local or state office instead of a RINO, there is more pressure on the NEXT 'Republican' candidate to actually hold true to the constitution instead of just 'Democrat-Lite'.

This explains why the Libertarians are necessary if we have to have our STUPID 'only one vote per person' system - http://www.friesian.com/quiz.htm - they at least keep the pressure on to support LIBERTY (which includes supporting ALL of the Bill of Rights instead of just the convenient parts).
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