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Permanent US Resident Challenges California Gun Laws

#1 Post by FWiedner » Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:05 pm

Gun-rights groups are suing California’s Riverside County and its sheriff after a legal U.S. resident from the Netherlands, who has lived in the country for 35 years, says he was denied a concealed-carry permit on the grounds that he isn’t a U.S. citizen.

https://www.getzone.com/news-permanent- ... FLR94HNK1G

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I am a fellow who believes that every American citizen has the right to keep and bear the arm of their choice and for whatever reason they choose to own that arm. That includes felons if they have paid their debt to society. I understand that the 'law' says something slightly different.

My personal struggle at not being hypocritical is that I believe that the several rights enumerated our "Bill of Right" should apply to all men, and not just U.S. citizens. The line in the sand that I hold is that of personal responsibility. A person who cannot behave responsibly using a firearm within their chosen community, must by necessity have that right attenuated according to their ability or lack thereof. That said, it's fairly straight-forward. Non U.S. citizens are non U.S. citizens.

A foreign national or even a person with dual-citizenship has a questionable loyalty to this nation. They have no ties and no concrete attachment to the American heritage. IMO long-term residence is insufficient to demonstrate one's loyalty as an 'American', because half the population that are borne citizens (note: not natural borne citizens) have a questionable loyalty toward this nation and our Constitution (Our law). We have enough domestic enemies wandering about without arming potentially hostile foreigners.

Perhaps it is an issue which should be addressed on a case-by-case basis.

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Re: Permanent US Resident Challenges California Gun Laws

#2 Post by TANGO 4C » Mon Oct 29, 2018 6:04 pm

It's interesting that the same bloke, subject to meeting all other enlistment criteria, would have no problem in joining the US military.
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Re: Permanent US Resident Challenges California Gun Laws

#3 Post by FWiedner » Mon Oct 29, 2018 6:47 pm

Serving for a few years to earn the benefits of citizenship is a whole different school of thought than squatting for a few years and expecting those benefits just be made available.

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#4 Post by AJMD429 » Mon Oct 29, 2018 9:34 pm

FWiedner wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2018 6:47 pm
Serving for a few years to earn the benefits of citizenship is a whole different school of thought than squatting for a few years and expecting those benefits just be made available.
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#5 Post by AmBraCol » Fri Nov 02, 2018 4:52 pm

As a long time resident of a couple of different countries, neither of which I'm a citizen of, I've a different perspective. What does "loyalty" have to do with it? He's not asking for permission to wage war on behalf of the nation - he's asking for permission to carry the means of defending innocent life. As a non-citizen in my current country of residence the obedience of laws which are disagreeable to me goes with the territory. Fortunately they recognize my right to obtain permission to possess the means to defend innocent life - to a degree. When the last resident of the executive mansion said "ALL carry permits are suspended", such order was duly noted and obeyed. The sole comment on my reaction to a similar situation in the land of my birth is - the 2nd Amendment to the US Constitution carries more weight with loyal citizens than some bureaucrat's idea of a "safe space"...

Can you tell me why ANYONE who is a law abiding, life respecting person should be denied the right to possess and carry the means of defending innocent life, independent from that person's nationality or "loyalty"?
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Re: Permanent US Resident Challenges California Gun Laws

#6 Post by BlaineG » Fri Nov 02, 2018 7:06 pm

AmBraCol wrote:
Fri Nov 02, 2018 4:52 pm
As a long time resident of a couple of different countries, neither of which I'm a citizen of, I've a different perspective. What does "loyalty" have to do with it? He's not asking for permission to wage war on behalf of the nation - he's asking for permission to carry the means of defending innocent life. As a non-citizen in my current country of residence the obedience of laws which are disagreeable to me goes with the territory. Fortunately they recognize my right to obtain permission to possess the means to defend innocent life - to a degree. When the last resident of the executive mansion said "ALL carry permits are suspended", such order was duly noted and obeyed. The sole comment on my reaction to a similar situation in the land of my birth is - the 2nd Amendment to the US Constitution carries more weight with loyal citizens than some bureaucrat's idea of a "safe space"...

Can you tell me why ANYONE who is a law abiding, life respecting person should be denied the right to possess and carry the means of defending innocent life, independent from that person's nationality or "loyalty"?
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#7 Post by AJMD429 » Fri Nov 02, 2018 8:26 pm

True.

'Bill of Rights' level rights for non-citizens who are LEGALLY in the country seems reasonable. 'Rights' to vote, and all the other 'free stuff' rights would be reserved for citizens. Of course most of the 'wealth redistribution' entitlements shouldn't exist anyway.... :|
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