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'Converting' SnowFlakes

#1 Post by AJMD429 » Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:31 pm

While it is so tempting to simply ridicule the uninformed and idiotic things that young college-age kids do and say, the reality is that these are the next generation of leaders and decision-makers, and as Ronald Reagan said, "freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction". Of course most of these young people have never personally seen the horrors of tyranny, concentration camps, or genocide, and with today's dumbed-down educational system, often they haven't even heard or read about these things, so the vacuous promises of socialism lures them just like moths to a flame.

Recently, I had a patient from a rather wealthy family who was 'privileged' enough do spend a couple years at a good college, then take a year off to go 'find himself', bicycling around France and Spain on Mommy and Daddy's dime. (I 'found myself' by borrowing a quarter million dollars based purely on my academic potential, then thirteen years later, emerging as a broke 31 year old, into the real world as a young physician starting a small business, with public opinion that I was greedy and overpaid, despite my driving a 20 year old Ford and living in a cheap apartment... :roll: ) Before he left, I did a physical on him, and he made some derisive comments about the anti assault-weapon-ban literature I had on my exam room bulletin board. He made it clear that he felt there were problems with the US healthcare system resulting from 'greedy physicians' and that the only solution he could advocate was a 'single-payer' system and when I inquired about that, he said he thought that socialism was a much better system than capitalism, which was why he was looking forward to his time and Spain and France. I noted that he did not approve of large corporations and the monopolies that tended to result, and that he had insignias on his backpack that advocated peace, and that I did not understand how that would go along with a single-payer system, since that was creating not only a monopoly, but putting it in the hands of the largest corporation in the world, namely the US government, which as a government entity also had the ability to use force rather than peaceful means to make sure there was no competition. He really didn't have any response, and seemed more focused on how we could minimize his risk for STDs when he was traveling abroad.

A few years later he showed up for a physical because his father had had a heart attack despite a healthy lifestyle, and all the organic foods and yoga that he could pack into his day. He had of course ignored my advice to actually take medication to improve has cholesterol, but what would I know, as a 'greedy capitalist pawn of the pharmaceutical industry'... :roll:

Anyway, the son seem to have had a reality check, and wanted to come in and get his cholesterol checked and so forth. Interestingly, I found out that while he was bicycling through Europe, he had been listening to podcasts of Jordan Peterson, who I think I have referred to in other posts in the political forum. Peterson gives talks that are grounded in the neurosciences, and pretty-much irrefutable biological and genetic phenomena. He combines this with a deep philosophical analysis of ancient literature, the foundational myths of ancient cultures, and the current cultural implications of those spiritual conflicts. He got in some trouble recently for advocating defiance of a Canadian law requiring the use of politically correct gender pronouns for the LGBT community. During testimony before Parliament, he very eloquently pointed out that he would in fact use whatever term he and whoever he was addressing agreed-upon, and that he had absolutely no hostility to the LGBT community, and would gladly use whatever term they requested. However he also pointed out that if government starts legislating speech, he would defy it to the end. He was able to clarify the fact that this was a human rights stance against oppressive government, and not some form of 'bigotry'.

Once people start listening to his interviews and speeches, they start realizing that the facade of political correctness is a distraction and ruse which makes it all the more difficult to openly and honestly discuss serious social issues and concepts. He even manages to discuss things like 'minimum wage' and the 'gender pay gap' in such a way that no one with any semblance of intelligence could walk away without realizing that those concepts are dishonest and divisive, and those who keep pushing them into the public arena have to either be fools or fascists.

Those of us on this form probably all see the ignorant and illogical and deceptive facets of socialism and the so-called 'progressive' movement, but it is obvious that the limited experience and young minds of people in their teens and twenties are simply incapable of seeing those flaws. We may listen to the complex intellectual arguments against progressivism, and we may have enough cultural experience or historical context that we clearly see through the deception, but the snowflake generation just cannot get to that point ordinarily. No doubt after they get out in the real world, if they haven't been too spoiled and too privileged actually have to work, they will start having to deal with the bureaucratic state and their eyes will be opened. Unfortunately, they will have had 10 or 15 years in the interim where they consistently voted Democrat, to the detriment of society despite their good intentions. If they remain in Academia, they will not only vote Democrat, but they will indoctrinate countless other young people who they will steep in misinformation and ignorance.

Listening to Jordan Peterson evidently is something that reaches a lot of these young people for whatever reason, be it his communication style, his grounding in the neurosciences, or maybe something as simple as his mannerisms or tone of voice. Whatever it is, he does seem to be able to rescue some of these young potential libtards from ruin.

There are tons of his interviews on YouTube, and I would recommend perusing some of them such as his appearance at Cambridge University, or young women's leadership forum or whatever, and then recommending those two your kids or grandkids or their friends or neighbors are whoever seems to be falling prey to 'progressssssssssssssivism'.

The young man who only a few years before I've been a naive and idealistic socialist, was now sitting in my office articulating reasons that only the free market could solve poverty and inequality, and understood why it is ridiculous and counterproductive to have health insurance cover 'preventative care', a concept that many people fail to understand...!

Perhaps they can be helped, and if so, it may be the only way to prevent the destruction of the last bastion of freedom in the world. :|

Peterson's earlier lecture series - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=P ... lULC-ekhOp

A simple YouTube search using his name will net you plenty of other interesting interviews and talks ranging from 6 minutes to 2 hours.
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Re: 'Converting' SnowFlakes

#2 Post by Old No7 » Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:45 pm

Wow Doc, I'm impressed by how much you wrote, and by how well you laid it all out there.

OK, there's ONE...............

But there are MILLIONS of snowflakes out there!

And recalling a recent post from the politics forum; folks could surely "vote" us into socialism -- but we'll have to SHOOT our way out of it.

I don't have any solutions to make it better for us, which is rather odd -- 'cause I'm pretty adept (as I think you are too) at pointing out all the things that will definitely make it WORSE.

Good luck, and thanks for your service to humanity and this forum.

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#3 Post by crs » Tue Mar 05, 2019 11:02 pm

Nothing will melt a Snowflake more quickly than a dose of the real world.
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#4 Post by AJMD429 » Tue Mar 05, 2019 11:02 pm

It's hard work, and it's a lot less dramatic and exciting to think about then some last-ditch effort to save the Republic where we all go grab our M1As and dash off into the melee, but all those little baby steps help, whether they are conversations at the water cooler at work, letters to the editor that we write, or examples we set for friends, family, cubscouts, or fellow churchgoers.

Far too many patriotic individuals and gun owners and hunters just preach to the choir, and stand around the gun shop griping, but haven't done anything to really improve society for years. Even if they don't have the initiative to do those things, they could at least send a hundred dollars a month to the NRA, but most of them spend ten times that every year on their firearms, motorcycles, or other hobbies, yet are often too stingy to even give money, let alone service, to maintain our freedom.

We can be our own worst enemy.....!
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#5 Post by Ysabel Kid » Sat Mar 09, 2019 6:08 pm

Old No7 wrote:
Tue Mar 05, 2019 10:45 pm
Wow Doc, I'm impressed by how much you wrote, and by how well you laid it all out there.

OK, there's ONE...............

But there are MILLIONS of snowflakes out there!

And recalling a recent post from the politics forum; folks could surely "vote" us into socialism -- but we'll have to SHOOT our way out of it.

I don't have any solutions to make it better for us, which is rather odd -- 'cause I'm pretty adept (as I think you are too) at pointing out all the things that will definitely make it WORSE.

Good luck, and thanks for your service to humanity and this forum.

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I still think we should try, but it is getting more and more depressing when you realize the state our country has fallen to... :cry:
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#6 Post by FWiedner » Sat Mar 09, 2019 8:47 pm

Doc, I largely agree with the majority of points that you make, however, it seems an arrogant despite with which you continually refer to those members of the gun-owing community who do not mimic you own behavior or behave in a manner which you consider sufficiently activist.

Maybe you're preaching the the choir, and I really do appreciate your sharing your honest outlook, but for some reason I find that approach to be... vexing. Like deliberating eliminating potential allies.

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#7 Post by AJMD429 » Sat Mar 09, 2019 9:22 pm

I certainly don't mean to belittle those who exert at least some effort towards preserving freedom, and I don't know that you can really quantitate who's working 'harder', because there are so many ways that we can fight for freedom. I'm guessing the majority of the people on this form are doing something to defend freedom, or at least I hope they are.

However, there is no denying that the vast majority of gun owners do nothing but buy their toys, play with them, and spend NO time pushing back in the legislative arena, the media arena, or even helping to instill sound values in their young relatives by making sure they spent time hunring, shooting, or (more importantly) learning about our political system and Constitution. Even if they are unwilling to do those things, one could excuse their behavior if they at least donated heavily to pro-gun and pro-freedom causes, but having tried to facilitate political action and contributions in the past, I can tell you that 90% of gun owners who would think nothing of spending $1,000 on themselves for Christmas buying new guns and reloading equipment and so on, will balk at giving $100 to Gun Owners of America or the NRA. How can you respect individuals like that...?

I see apathy among 'gun owners' and 'sportsmen' all the time, and it is disgusting.
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#8 Post by BlaineG » Tue Mar 12, 2019 10:02 pm

AJMD429 wrote:
Sat Mar 09, 2019 9:22 pm
I certainly don't mean to belittle those who exert at least some effort towards preserving freedom, and I don't know that you can really quantitate who's working 'harder', because there are so many ways that we can fight for freedom. I'm guessing the majority of the people on this form are doing something to defend freedom, or at least I hope they are.

However, there is no denying that the vast majority of gun owners do nothing but buy their toys, play with them, and spend NO time pushing back in the legislative arena, the media arena, or even helping to instill sound values in their young relatives by making sure they spent time hunring, shooting, or (more importantly) learning about our political system and Constitution. Even if they are unwilling to do those things, one could excuse their behavior if they at least donated heavily to pro-gun and pro-freedom causes, but having tried to facilitate political action and contributions in the past, I can tell you that 90% of gun owners who would think nothing of spending $1,000 on themselves for Christmas buying new guns and reloading equipment and so on, will balk at giving $100 to Gun Owners of America or the NRA. How can you respect individuals like that...?

I see apathy among 'gun owners' and 'sportsmen' all the time, and it is disgusting.
We have this conversation on at least a weekly basis, but I'll continue to blame those that hold Republicans in contempt and split the vote so they can placate their ego by thinking they are "doing the right and moral thing".
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#9 Post by AJMD429 » Tue Mar 12, 2019 10:21 pm

You can blame whoever you want.

I don't 'split the vote' myself - I hold my nose and vote for gun-banning, Constitution-violating, tax-raising RINOs, like you would want me to.

But those who fail to accept the REALITY of the 'Snowflake Generation' and just hold their nose and vote RINO, are going to realize that by failing to 'convert snowflakes', they have lost the political battle. 'We' may hold the moral high ground, but when the snowflakes throw the election to a Dumbascrap, because the RINOs 'we' elected caves in and can't get enough 'conservative' support to defend them, don't blame me.
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#10 Post by BlaineG » Wed Mar 13, 2019 10:43 pm

AJMD429 wrote:
Tue Mar 12, 2019 10:21 pm
You can blame whoever you want.

I don't 'split the vote' myself - I hold my nose and vote for gun-banning, Constitution-violating, tax-raising RINOs, like you would want me to.

But those who fail to accept the REALITY of the 'Snowflake Generation' and just hold their nose and vote RINO, are going to realize that by failing to 'convert snowflakes', they have lost the political battle. 'We' may hold the moral high ground, but when the snowflakes throw the election to a Dumbascrap, because the RINOs 'we' elected caves in and can't get enough 'conservative' support to defend them, don't blame me.
As disgusting as it may seem to you, look as the SCOTUS, and all the Federal judges he's been, and will, apoint... I defy you to get any better in todays political climate.
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#11 Post by AJMD429 » Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:45 pm

We're probably talking past each other. It's easy to do on a format like this.

I find absolutely nothing disgusting about Trump.

I was NOT impressed with the previous several Republican presidents since Reagan though, and I am especially UNimpressed with the sellout RINOs we have in both houses of legislature, Paul Ryan being one of the most blatant offenders. :evil:
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#12 Post by Old Savage » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:43 pm

30-40-30 ... distribution of left, independent, right. The center decides every election except large turn out left/right. Rail as you will for your own views this is the reality.
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#13 Post by AJMD429 » Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:27 pm

Old Savage wrote:
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30-40-30 ... distribution of left, independent, right. The center decides every election except large turn out left/right. Rail as you will for your own views this is the reality.
Yep. So the 'game' becomes to move (or fake) center just enough to capture a few 'moderates', but don't worry about 'alienating your base' because those voters don't have any choice, so you won't lose them. But when the RINOs play under those rules, sometimes enough true conservatives get disgusted, and vote 'third party' or just stay home, that it throws the election to the Dumbascraps. So 'we' lose either way - we either get a RINO, or a Dumbascrap, 90% of the time, due to the combination of stay-at-home voters, and those who vote third party.

We blame the voters who won't vote RINO, but even if they do, we just get another RINO. Using the "vote-for-whoever-would-be-acceptable", instead of the "vote for only ONE candidate" would reduce the risk of the third party (or just abstaining) throwing the election to the Dumbascraps. Or the RINOS....
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#14 Post by Old Savage » Sat Mar 16, 2019 9:01 am

Mostly in polarized political climates people on either end vote against the opponent. Those in the middle vote for a variety of reasons. Raising the "vote against" is part of it. But in the last we had true believers plus large voter fraud. Could be from an analytical point that the Dems shot themselves in the vote with all those states voting to commit their electoral votes to the largest national vote total. They may likely have committed those to Trump as there appears to be no Dem that can unite the left vote.
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#15 Post by AJMD429 » Sat Mar 16, 2019 10:14 am

I bet the political science classes around the world will analyze Trump's election for years to come. However it came together, it was sure a godsend...
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