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A few months ago a post started up on cartridge boxes. I was having a heck of a time uploading pictures at the time, but now have resolved that issue (thanks TedH!). One of my “pandemic hobbies” that I did last year was get back into cartridge box making… as well as paper cartridge making to fill the boxes!

So, here are my different creations from 2021:
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And now some close ups.

Here is a picture of the front of my cartridge box for .44 Army paper cartridges:
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And here is the back of the .44 Army cartridge box:
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The front of the .36 Navy cartridge box:
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And the back of the same .36 Navy cartridge box:
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Here is one for the .31 Pocket models:
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And the back of the .31 Pocket paper cartridge box:
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All of these molds were made by Lee Precision for Eras Gone By, and are historically accurate molds. I do not have a British Kerr revolver yet, but hope to some day! So I went ahead and got the proper mold, and here’s a picture of the front of that box:
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Along with the rear of the same .44 Kerr British Army box:
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Here is the “Richmond Laboratories” .36 Navy which I designed for one of the more famous Confederate cap and ball revolvers, the Spiller & Burr:
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And, you guessed it, the rear of that box:
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Here’s a peek inside. Most are similar – seven holes, holding six rounds and one hole for percussion caps. Except for the .31 caliber; those are six holes total with five for paper cartridges and one for percussion caps.
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I also watched a video on how to recreate the proper loading for the .58 Caliber rifled musket. I made period correct paper wrappers for 10 cartridges + a tube of percussion caps, but also created a non-period correct box, being more sturdy, for display:
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And what the heck? I might as well create some paper cartridges and a box for my .69 Caliber Tower Pistol reproduction!
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For the bullet lube tins I used old Crosman .22-caliber pellet tins. Here is one with the 3:1 beeswax to lamb’s tallow mix:
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And one with the 2:1 mix:
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Both of those are primarily used for dipping bullets for cap and ball revolvers. For filling lube grooves on cast bullets for the .58-caliber, I use a stiffer mixture of 8:1:
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And then I created a Mink Oil Tin for patch lubrication for my flintlock firearms:
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And just to prove it was me…
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Very nice work!



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Very professional Kid! Lots of thought and attention to detail before those pics were taken. Well done.

By the way, I noticed you still have the same slippers....those babies must be close to 20 years old.----006
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That’s awesome. Vey cool 😎
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I can see a lot of confused collectors in a hundred years time.... :lol: great job Jay I'm impressed, they look spot on... 8)
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How many mink does a guy have to refine to fill a tin ? :lol:

Very nice work !
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The more I read on this site the more it just confirms how little I know! That's some cool stuff, and 100 years from now, somebody finds this stuff, they're gonna be scatching their head!
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Jay, what a great avocation. You do fine work. Where are you finding mutton tallow?
Oh -- and are you so blessed as to own a Kerr??? 8)
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Bill in Oregon wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 8:50 am Jay, what a great avocation. You do fine work. Where are you finding mutton tallow?
Oh -- and are you so blessed as to own a Kerr??? 8)
No Kerr yet, but on my list! :)

I purchase the mutton tallow from US Wellness Meats. This is the time to get it too, as they process a lot of lamb for Easter. I use it to make my own wads for cap & ball revolvers. I will say that whatever dish you use, it becomes dedicated to that forever. I used my wife's large Pyrex mixing/measure bowl for the first batch, a 3:1 mixture of beeswax and lamb's tallow, and no matter how much I scrubbed it afterwards, it still has a film on it! :shock: Ended up buying Mrs. YK a new one as she was less than pleased... :wink:
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Fantastic work there. Wish I had some suitable weapons to try your ammo in.
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Those are great, Jay! Are you printing directly on the boxes, or are those labels?
I would love to have some 38-40 boxes like that. I have a good printer, just not the knowledge. 😄
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That be cool, I made boxes for my antique boxes, I have several original boxes for firearm from the 1860's.
Just as a FYI at that time I made them I could go to the store and buy big acid free boxes and cut those to make boxes cheaper than just buying the flat sheets.
I can't remember his name but the guy in the NRA museum showed me how to make boxes for preservation long long ago.
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Just curious, but how do six cartridges have 7 #10 percussion caps?
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Mate, hat off to you, a fantastic job on those labels and cartridge boxes. Can I ask, are any of your cartridge boxes made all from cardboard? I had a go at doing this for 44/40 WCF black powder loads and it took a fair bit of trial and error.

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darn, forgot the photo!
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TedH wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 10:16 am Those are great, Jay! Are you printing directly on the boxes, or are those labels?
I would love to have some 38-40 boxes like that. I have a good printer, just not the knowledge. 😄
Hi Ted -

I print them on resume paper. Thick linen stuff. I make the boxes myself from a flat sheet of carboard. The cardboard on a pad of paper works really well. I make the box as a wrapper around the wood cartridge holder (which I also make), and glue the label to the box. The box I use is more of a sleeve, so I don't ruin it opening the box. For the Tower box, it is a box within a box, again so I can access the cartridges without ripping it apart. The lube tins I just glue on.

PM me your e-mail address. I can send you a pattern.
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marlinman93 wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 12:05 pm Just curious, but how do six cartridges have 7 #10 percussion caps?
I read somewhere years ago that they included an extra cap in case one didn't work or was dropped.
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Swagman wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 8:42 pm Mate, hat off to you, a fantastic job on those labels and cartridge boxes. Can I ask, are any of your cartridge boxes made all from cardboard? I had a go at doing this for 44/40 WCF black powder loads and it took a fair bit of trial and error.

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All of them are. I make a wooden box for the ones for paper cartridges for cap and ball revolvers. Drill out the holes and use heavy linen paper to make the hinge. I made a fully enclosed paper wrapper, period correct, but then realized I would destroy it opening it. So the next one and the ones after that I made a carboard sleeve, adhering the label to it. I can slide it off to access the wooden box and paper cartridges, then slide it back on when I refill the box.

For a box without the wooden holder, such as for the ones for the .58 caliber and the Tower Pistol, I make an open-topped box to hold the cartridges and a mirror image that fits on top of it. The label goes on the lid or top box. I can pull it off to access the cartridges then put it right back on.

Took some trial and error on my part too! :D
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Thanks for That and once again well done!
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Nice....
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Ysabel Kid wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 9:06 pm
marlinman93 wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 12:05 pm Just curious, but how do six cartridges have 7 #10 percussion caps?
I read somewhere years ago that they included an extra cap in case one didn't work or was dropped.
Thanks! Never seen these before, so learned something!
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Ysabel Kid wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 9:04 pm
TedH wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 10:16 am Those are great, Jay! Are you printing directly on the boxes, or are those labels?
I would love to have some 38-40 boxes like that. I have a good printer, just not the knowledge. 😄
Hi Ted -

I print them on resume paper. Thick linen stuff. I make the boxes myself from a flat sheet of carboard. The cardboard on a pad of paper works really well. I make the box as a wrapper around the wood cartridge holder (which I also make), and glue the label to the box. The box I use is more of a sleeve, so I don't ruin it opening the box. For the Tower box, it is a box within a box, again so I can access the cartridges without ripping it apart. The lube tins I just glue on.

PM me your e-mail address. I can send you a pattern.
On way to tell fake labels from old boxes is to put them under a black light, new paper since who knows when has a tinkle too it.
I have a special light for this it "appears" to just be a black light anyhow.

Cardboard boxes can bring over 20G, so people do try...
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Swagman wrote: Tue Mar 08, 2022 8:44 pm darn, forgot the photo!
Looks great! :D
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