Finally a J frame that I can really shoot well!
Forum rules
Welcome to the Leverguns.Com General Discussions Forum. This is a high-class place so act respectable. We discuss most anything here other than politics... politely.
Please post political post in the new Politics forum.
Welcome to the Leverguns.Com General Discussions Forum. This is a high-class place so act respectable. We discuss most anything here other than politics... politely.
Please post political post in the new Politics forum.
- Scott Tschirhart
- Advanced Levergunner
- Posts: 3922
- Joined: Fri Oct 16, 2020 2:56 pm
- Location: San Antonio, Texas
Finally a J frame that I can really shoot well!
I must confess that I have a thing for J frame revolvers. Especially hammerless guns. For many years I’ve carried a J frame almost exclusively on my bike travels. I carried stainless and aluminum guns but I never found one that I could really shoot out to 25 yards. I know that they were designed to be used up close and personal but I really wanted a gun this size that I could shoot and stay on an 8 inch plate at 25 yards. Now I have one that will actually do better!
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.
- Scott Tschirhart
- Advanced Levergunner
- Posts: 3922
- Joined: Fri Oct 16, 2020 2:56 pm
- Location: San Antonio, Texas
Re: Finally a J frame that I can really shoot well!
I haven’t touched the factory trigger (this gun was new and unfired until a couple of days ago) and I have no problem keeping my .38 handloads on an 8 inch plate at 25 with boring regularity. I can see these sights which is probably the best explanation. But contrary to some reports, these sights seem to be dead on. Next step is to polish up the inside a bit and work on springs.
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.
Last edited by Scott Tschirhart on Sat Jul 31, 2021 9:49 am, edited 1 time in total.
Re: Finally a J frame that I can really shoot well!
Nice looking piece Scott!
I have not shot my 340 at any distance. Up at Tedd's place I killed a jackrabbit with it. The jack was in Tedd's garden and Tedd wanted him removed. I got within 50 feet and took him out with the first shot. (sometimes you get lucky) but that is about the max distance I felt comfortable shooting rabbits with it.
I have not shot my 340 at any distance. Up at Tedd's place I killed a jackrabbit with it. The jack was in Tedd's garden and Tedd wanted him removed. I got within 50 feet and took him out with the first shot. (sometimes you get lucky) but that is about the max distance I felt comfortable shooting rabbits with it.
- AmBraCol
- Webservant
- Posts: 3654
- Joined: Fri Mar 30, 2007 8:12 am
- Location: The Center of God's Grace
- Contact:
Re: Finally a J frame that I can really shoot well!
I really like the look of that little popper. I've not kept up with S$W, is this a current production item, or someone's safe queen?
Paul - in Pereira
"He is the best friend of American liberty who is most sincere and active in promoting true and undefiled religion." -- John Witherspoon
http://www.paulmoreland.com
http://www.pistolpackingpreachers.us
http://www.precisionandina.com
"He is the best friend of American liberty who is most sincere and active in promoting true and undefiled religion." -- John Witherspoon
http://www.paulmoreland.com
http://www.pistolpackingpreachers.us
http://www.precisionandina.com
- Scott Tschirhart
- Advanced Levergunner
- Posts: 3922
- Joined: Fri Oct 16, 2020 2:56 pm
- Location: San Antonio, Texas
Re: Finally a J frame that I can really shoot well!
I bought it from a shop and I think it just stayed in the dusty box on a back shelf. I don’t believe it is current production.
- AmBraCol
- Webservant
- Posts: 3654
- Joined: Fri Mar 30, 2007 8:12 am
- Location: The Center of God's Grace
- Contact:
Re: Finally a J frame that I can really shoot well!
Yeah, it's not "tacticool" and they don't sell well in many places due to that. Glad you were able to get it and save it from a life of neglect. There's something about a J-frame 38 that seems "just right". Pro-series... a term to file away for future reference. I half expected to see "Lady Smith" engraved there. (I TOLD you I haven't kept up with them!)
Paul - in Pereira
"He is the best friend of American liberty who is most sincere and active in promoting true and undefiled religion." -- John Witherspoon
http://www.paulmoreland.com
http://www.pistolpackingpreachers.us
http://www.precisionandina.com
"He is the best friend of American liberty who is most sincere and active in promoting true and undefiled religion." -- John Witherspoon
http://www.paulmoreland.com
http://www.pistolpackingpreachers.us
http://www.precisionandina.com
- Scott Tschirhart
- Advanced Levergunner
- Posts: 3922
- Joined: Fri Oct 16, 2020 2:56 pm
- Location: San Antonio, Texas
Re: Finally a J frame that I can really shoot well!
Hell, I think a real he man should be able to carry a Ladysmith! Especially these days.
Last edited by Scott Tschirhart on Sat Jul 31, 2021 10:52 am, edited 1 time in total.
- Scott Tschirhart
- Advanced Levergunner
- Posts: 3922
- Joined: Fri Oct 16, 2020 2:56 pm
- Location: San Antonio, Texas
Re: Finally a J frame that I can really shoot well!
Much better now! I don’t care for rubber stocks on a snubby.
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.
Last edited by Scott Tschirhart on Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:43 am, edited 1 time in total.
- 2ndovc
- Advanced Levergunner
- Posts: 9323
- Joined: Fri Sep 07, 2007 11:59 am
- Location: OH, South Shore of Lake Erie
Re: Finally a J frame that I can really shoot well!
That’s the model I was looking for. I’ll still probably pick one up, but the 442 is working fine. Just got the Wilson spring kit. Hoping to put that in tomorrow.
I’ve been going back and forth between it and the G26.
Depending on where I’m going.
jb
I’ve been going back and forth between it and the G26.
Depending on where I’m going.
jb
jasonB " Another Dirty Yankee"
" Tomorrow the sun will rise. Who knows what the tide could bring?"
" Tomorrow the sun will rise. Who knows what the tide could bring?"
- Scott Tschirhart
- Advanced Levergunner
- Posts: 3922
- Joined: Fri Oct 16, 2020 2:56 pm
- Location: San Antonio, Texas
Re: Finally a J frame that I can really shoot well!
This is the load I carry and I have never found anything I like better. Although I think the 9 mm is enough, no 9mm matches these results.
https://youtu.be/iiKGAvXtpVQ
https://youtu.be/iiKGAvXtpVQ
- AmBraCol
- Webservant
- Posts: 3654
- Joined: Fri Mar 30, 2007 8:12 am
- Location: The Center of God's Grace
- Contact:
Re: Finally a J frame that I can really shoot well!
I've kept my eye open for a Ladysmith myself, but either they don't appear or they are priced like they were gold plated. I was wondering about the grippystock thingies. That wood looks better, no doubt. How grabby are the factory grips? Some of those seem to hang up on everything and pick up lint like a gas dryer lint trap.
Paul - in Pereira
"He is the best friend of American liberty who is most sincere and active in promoting true and undefiled religion." -- John Witherspoon
http://www.paulmoreland.com
http://www.pistolpackingpreachers.us
http://www.precisionandina.com
"He is the best friend of American liberty who is most sincere and active in promoting true and undefiled religion." -- John Witherspoon
http://www.paulmoreland.com
http://www.pistolpackingpreachers.us
http://www.precisionandina.com
Re: Finally a J frame that I can really shoot well!
It's still showing on their website, if anyone is looking for one.
Rumble.com/ hickock45
- AmBraCol
- Webservant
- Posts: 3654
- Joined: Fri Mar 30, 2007 8:12 am
- Location: The Center of God's Grace
- Contact:
Re: Finally a J frame that I can really shoot well!
You made me look, only went to Lipsey's to see what comes up. Scott, it's this one, right? https://lipseys.com/itemdetail?itemno=SM178044
Paul - in Pereira
"He is the best friend of American liberty who is most sincere and active in promoting true and undefiled religion." -- John Witherspoon
http://www.paulmoreland.com
http://www.pistolpackingpreachers.us
http://www.precisionandina.com
"He is the best friend of American liberty who is most sincere and active in promoting true and undefiled religion." -- John Witherspoon
http://www.paulmoreland.com
http://www.pistolpackingpreachers.us
http://www.precisionandina.com
- Scott Tschirhart
- Advanced Levergunner
- Posts: 3922
- Joined: Fri Oct 16, 2020 2:56 pm
- Location: San Antonio, Texas
Re: Finally a J frame that I can really shoot well!
That appears to be it but there are no markings on the gun or box that say “performance center” and it does not have the more recent updates to the frame that newer J frames have.
Re: Finally a J frame that I can really shoot well!
While I have several J frames with both 2 & 3 inch barrels my go to is from Charter Arms.
Last edited by jeepnik on Mon Aug 02, 2021 2:27 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Jeepnik AKA "Old Eyes"
"Go low, go slow and preferably in the dark" The old Sarge (he was maybe 24.
"Freedom is never more that a generation from extinction" Ronald Reagan
"Every man should have at least one good rifle and know how to use it" Dad
"Go low, go slow and preferably in the dark" The old Sarge (he was maybe 24.
"Freedom is never more that a generation from extinction" Ronald Reagan
"Every man should have at least one good rifle and know how to use it" Dad
- 2ndovc
- Advanced Levergunner
- Posts: 9323
- Joined: Fri Sep 07, 2007 11:59 am
- Location: OH, South Shore of Lake Erie
Re: Finally a J frame that I can really shoot well!
That'll do!Scott Tschirhart wrote: ↑Sat Jul 31, 2021 11:41 am This is the load I carry and I have never found anything I like better. Although I think the 9 mm is enough, no 9mm matches these results.
https://youtu.be/iiKGAvXtpVQ
jb
jasonB " Another Dirty Yankee"
" Tomorrow the sun will rise. Who knows what the tide could bring?"
" Tomorrow the sun will rise. Who knows what the tide could bring?"
Re: Finally a J frame that I can really shoot well!
I've always shot a J-frame pretty well. I don't currently have one, but my wife has 2.
She daily packs a no lock 442 that she has about 2k rounds through. It ain't pretty no more, but it's a shooter.
No question for me, a 3" is the only way to fly. Easier to shoot, more velocity, no more difficult to conceal, and most importantly, a full length ejector!
She daily packs a no lock 442 that she has about 2k rounds through. It ain't pretty no more, but it's a shooter.
No question for me, a 3" is the only way to fly. Easier to shoot, more velocity, no more difficult to conceal, and most importantly, a full length ejector!
"Oh bother", said Pooh, as he chambered another round.
Re: Finally a J frame that I can really shoot well!
Yeah, I had to look it up too.
The Pro Series Model 642 (SKU 178044), 5 shot, DAO, 38 Special +P ;
is still listed by S & W.
The Pro Series Model 642 (SKU 178044), 5 shot, DAO, 38 Special +P ;
is still listed by S & W.
Re: Finally a J frame that I can really shoot well!
Nice gun Scott, i`ve had this new Charter Arms off duty for a few years now and haven`t even shot on paper yet will have to do that one of these days.
Because I Can, and Have
-------------------------------------------------------------
USAF-72-76
God Bless America.
Disclaimer, not responsible for anyone copying or building anything i make.
Always consult an expert first.
-------------------------------------------------------------
USAF-72-76
God Bless America.
Disclaimer, not responsible for anyone copying or building anything i make.
Always consult an expert first.
-
- Levergunner
- Posts: 39
- Joined: Tue Jan 15, 2019 9:06 am
Re: Finally a J frame that I can really shoot well!
Yep a lefty. I really wish they’d make a left Bulldog.
Jeepnik AKA "Old Eyes"
"Go low, go slow and preferably in the dark" The old Sarge (he was maybe 24.
"Freedom is never more that a generation from extinction" Ronald Reagan
"Every man should have at least one good rifle and know how to use it" Dad
"Go low, go slow and preferably in the dark" The old Sarge (he was maybe 24.
"Freedom is never more that a generation from extinction" Ronald Reagan
"Every man should have at least one good rifle and know how to use it" Dad
Re: Finally a J frame that I can really shoot well!
I've never owned a Smith J frame before. That look's really nice, especially with the finger grove wood grip's!
Look like it's the perfect size to carry when you don't feel like carrying a pistol.
If you can hit every time at 25 yards why not lug it every day.
Johnny
Look like it's the perfect size to carry when you don't feel like carrying a pistol.
If you can hit every time at 25 yards why not lug it every day.
Johnny
- Scott Tschirhart
- Advanced Levergunner
- Posts: 3922
- Joined: Fri Oct 16, 2020 2:56 pm
- Location: San Antonio, Texas
Re: Finally a J frame that I can really shoot well!
Scott, if you don't mind, what stocks are those, and did they need extra fitting? I've got a 442 I'd like to put those on.
Rumble.com/ hickock45
- Scott Tschirhart
- Advanced Levergunner
- Posts: 3922
- Joined: Fri Oct 16, 2020 2:56 pm
- Location: San Antonio, Texas
Re: Finally a J frame that I can really shoot well!
I don't know what brand they might be. I bought them on "sigh" Amazon. They required no fitting, just a screwdriver. And my little finger has a place to rest. I went back and checked and I think the brand name is "Handicraftgrips."
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.
Re: Finally a J frame that I can really shoot well!
Thanks for getting back, Scott, I've also been looking at Altamont grips .
Rumble.com/ hickock45
-
- Levergunner
- Posts: 39
- Joined: Tue Jan 15, 2019 9:06 am
Re: Finally a J frame that I can really shoot well!
In what world is that a little finger? I don't get it.Scott Tschirhart wrote: ↑Fri Aug 06, 2021 1:25 pmI don't know what brand they might be. I bought them on "sigh" Amazon. They required no fitting, just a screwdriver. And my little finger has a place to rest. I went back and checked and I think the brand name is "Handicraftgrips."
Re: Finally a J frame that I can really shoot well!
probably not acceptable to call it a "pinkie" nowadays.
Rumble.com/ hickock45
- Scott Tschirhart
- Advanced Levergunner
- Posts: 3922
- Joined: Fri Oct 16, 2020 2:56 pm
- Location: San Antonio, Texas
Re: Finally a J frame that I can really shoot well!
This thread has me wanting to dig out the .38 Lightweight in the back of the safe....
The Rotten Fruit Always Hits The Ground First
Proud Life Member Of:
NRA
Second Amendment Foundation
Citizens Committee For The Right To Keep And Bear Arms
DAV
Proud Life Member Of:
NRA
Second Amendment Foundation
Citizens Committee For The Right To Keep And Bear Arms
DAV
- Scott Tschirhart
- Advanced Levergunner
- Posts: 3922
- Joined: Fri Oct 16, 2020 2:56 pm
- Location: San Antonio, Texas
Re: Finally a J frame that I can really shoot well!
Testing continues. 10 yards offhand with the Remington.38 FBI load. 158 gr LHP at plus p.
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.
- Scott Tschirhart
- Advanced Levergunner
- Posts: 3922
- Joined: Fri Oct 16, 2020 2:56 pm
- Location: San Antonio, Texas
Re: Finally a J frame that I can really shoot well!
10 yards offhand with Remington 125 gr .38 plus p
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.
- Scott Tschirhart
- Advanced Levergunner
- Posts: 3922
- Joined: Fri Oct 16, 2020 2:56 pm
- Location: San Antonio, Texas
Re: Finally a J frame that I can really shoot well!
10 yards offhand with my standard .38 practice loads
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.
- Scott Tschirhart
- Advanced Levergunner
- Posts: 3922
- Joined: Fri Oct 16, 2020 2:56 pm
- Location: San Antonio, Texas
Re: Finally a J frame that I can really shoot well!
And the winner. 10 yards offhand with the 173 grain Keith bullet over 5 gr Unique. I actually hit my 100 yard half size chest target twice (out of five rounds) with this load today.
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.
Last edited by Scott Tschirhart on Fri Aug 13, 2021 3:07 pm, edited 2 times in total.
- Scott Tschirhart
- Advanced Levergunner
- Posts: 3922
- Joined: Fri Oct 16, 2020 2:56 pm
- Location: San Antonio, Texas
Re: Finally a J frame that I can really shoot well!
I haven’t changed out any springs or slicked anything up. I did put on some slightly bigger grips. I may not do anything else to it.
I haven't tested it with .357 ammunition yet (mainly because I cannot find a box of Remington 125s that I know I have somewhere). But this little popper has enough rounds through it to make me comfortable with its reliability and that it hits to the sights. I've been carrying it daily for a while and I can find no fault with it.
I haven't tested it with .357 ammunition yet (mainly because I cannot find a box of Remington 125s that I know I have somewhere). But this little popper has enough rounds through it to make me comfortable with its reliability and that it hits to the sights. I've been carrying it daily for a while and I can find no fault with it.
Last edited by Scott Tschirhart on Fri Aug 13, 2021 3:01 pm, edited 1 time in total.
-
- Levergunner
- Posts: 39
- Joined: Tue Jan 15, 2019 9:06 am
Re: Finally a J frame that I can really shoot well!
Outstanding!Scott Tschirhart wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 11:55 am And the winner. 10 yards offhand with the 173 grain Keith bullet over 5 gr Unique.
-
- Advanced Levergunner
- Posts: 4145
- Joined: Fri Dec 21, 2007 11:34 am
- Location: north of Palacios about 1400 miles
Re: Finally a J frame that I can really shoot well!
Hows the recoil with them. I have a few 168gr SWC's I need to load up.
30/30 Winchester: Not accurate enough fer varmints, barely adequate for small deer; BUT In a 10" to 14" barrelled pistol; is good for moose/elk to 200 yards; ground squirrels to 300 metres
250 Savage... its what the 223 wishes it could be...!
250 Savage... its what the 223 wishes it could be...!
- Scott Tschirhart
- Advanced Levergunner
- Posts: 3922
- Joined: Fri Oct 16, 2020 2:56 pm
- Location: San Antonio, Texas
Re: Finally a J frame that I can really shoot well!
It did not bother me at all. Of course the 173 Keith over 5 gr of Unique is a great all around load and I use it a lot on the ranch. But I generally shoot it through an L or N frame Smith or an old model Blackhawk. This was the first time I tried it in a J frame and it did not knock anything loose.3leggedturtle wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 3:30 pm Hows the recoil with them. I have a few 168gr SWC's I need to load up.
- 2ndovc
- Advanced Levergunner
- Posts: 9323
- Joined: Fri Sep 07, 2007 11:59 am
- Location: OH, South Shore of Lake Erie
Re: Finally a J frame that I can really shoot well!
I was curious about the recoil as well. I would think the all stainless construction would help a bit.
I have some 180s I need to load up and try in the Speed Six.
Good stuff!
jb
I have some 180s I need to load up and try in the Speed Six.
Good stuff!
jb
jasonB " Another Dirty Yankee"
" Tomorrow the sun will rise. Who knows what the tide could bring?"
" Tomorrow the sun will rise. Who knows what the tide could bring?"
-
- Advanced Levergunner
- Posts: 4145
- Joined: Fri Dec 21, 2007 11:34 am
- Location: north of Palacios about 1400 miles
Re: Finally a J frame that I can really shoot well!
Ive been shooting some 148gr WC's at 950fps (book velocity) Out of a 2 1/2" 357 SP101. Recoil is mild.
30/30 Winchester: Not accurate enough fer varmints, barely adequate for small deer; BUT In a 10" to 14" barrelled pistol; is good for moose/elk to 200 yards; ground squirrels to 300 metres
250 Savage... its what the 223 wishes it could be...!
250 Savage... its what the 223 wishes it could be...!
- Scott Tschirhart
- Advanced Levergunner
- Posts: 3922
- Joined: Fri Oct 16, 2020 2:56 pm
- Location: San Antonio, Texas
Re: Finally a J frame that I can really shoot well!
.357 magnum 110 Remington. Very loud. I expected that this would be a good load, but I was not terribly happy with it.
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.
Last edited by Scott Tschirhart on Sun Aug 15, 2021 1:04 pm, edited 1 time in total.
- Scott Tschirhart
- Advanced Levergunner
- Posts: 3922
- Joined: Fri Oct 16, 2020 2:56 pm
- Location: San Antonio, Texas
Re: Finally a J frame that I can really shoot well!
125 gr Remington, my favorite.357 load, and for good reason. I put two rounds through that pear leaf and it blew holes much bigger than I expected. Not as much recoil as I expected. Controllable and I don't think there is a better round for the intended purposes of this kind of revolver.
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.
Last edited by Scott Tschirhart on Sun Aug 15, 2021 1:05 pm, edited 1 time in total.
- Scott Tschirhart
- Advanced Levergunner
- Posts: 3922
- Joined: Fri Oct 16, 2020 2:56 pm
- Location: San Antonio, Texas
Re: Finally a J frame that I can really shoot well!
158. Gr JHP. This load gave the least recoil of all rounds tested today. No doubt that it would do the job though.
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.
- Scott Tschirhart
- Advanced Levergunner
- Posts: 3922
- Joined: Fri Oct 16, 2020 2:56 pm
- Location: San Antonio, Texas
Re: Finally a J frame that I can really shoot well!
It really likes 173 gr MBW Keith’s over 5 gr of Unique.
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.
- 2ndovc
- Advanced Levergunner
- Posts: 9323
- Joined: Fri Sep 07, 2007 11:59 am
- Location: OH, South Shore of Lake Erie
Re: Finally a J frame that I can really shoot well!
You're really making me want one of those!
Is there any truth to the rumor that an over zealous prosecutor would make a big deal out of using handloads in a defensive situation?
just curious. Seems like I would hear/ read that quite a bit over the years.
jb
Is there any truth to the rumor that an over zealous prosecutor would make a big deal out of using handloads in a defensive situation?
just curious. Seems like I would hear/ read that quite a bit over the years.
jb
jasonB " Another Dirty Yankee"
" Tomorrow the sun will rise. Who knows what the tide could bring?"
" Tomorrow the sun will rise. Who knows what the tide could bring?"
- Scott Tschirhart
- Advanced Levergunner
- Posts: 3922
- Joined: Fri Oct 16, 2020 2:56 pm
- Location: San Antonio, Texas
Re: Finally a J frame that I can really shoot well!
I’ve been practicing law now for 22 years. Before that I was a police officer and deputy sheriff.
I’ve seen a lot of shootings. But I’ve never seen where the ammunition used was a factor, much less a determinative factor in whether one was charged with a crime. I suppose it could happen but I’ve never seen it.
- 2ndovc
- Advanced Levergunner
- Posts: 9323
- Joined: Fri Sep 07, 2007 11:59 am
- Location: OH, South Shore of Lake Erie
Re: Finally a J frame that I can really shoot well!
I always thought it sounded like BS and a decent attorney could offer a better argument. Not that I ever want to test that hypothesis, but thought I'd ask out of curiosity.
jb
jb
jasonB " Another Dirty Yankee"
" Tomorrow the sun will rise. Who knows what the tide could bring?"
" Tomorrow the sun will rise. Who knows what the tide could bring?"
- Scott Tschirhart
- Advanced Levergunner
- Posts: 3922
- Joined: Fri Oct 16, 2020 2:56 pm
- Location: San Antonio, Texas
Re: Finally a J frame that I can really shoot well!
This is how worried I am about it.......I carried a SAA all weekend with Skeeter loads made with (Gasp!) Russian primers! In other words, I would not think twice about using my handloads if I needed to.