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Why all of a sudden are people asking fir a levergun in 44 Magnum? Did a Internet forumn have a big deal on them ir something.... BTW prices for them and 357's are nuts! Todd/3leg
30/30 Winchester: Not accurate enough fer varmints, barely adequate for small deer; BUT In a 10" to 14" barrelled pistol; is good for moose/elk to 200 yards; ground squirrels to 300 metres

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Probably because they are seen as practical survival firearms that aren’t high on the “ban” list. The 357 is probably most practical but any pistol-chambered Levergun should do. 45 caliber might nave an extra advantage in that it could facilitate use of sabots if bullets got too scarce.
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i was tempted to say that they finally woke up to the superlatives of the 44 but,

there, I said it. :lol:
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Lever actions of all types are pretty scarce at my LGS, especially short ones. Glad I have my Marlin 44 and my Rossi 45. Love to have a spare 44 or a 357 but they sure have gotten pricey lately.
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Anybody remember the 44-40 and 38-40? Both quite capable lever actions.
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fordwannabe wrote:
Thu Mar 18, 2021 9:36 pm
Anybody remember the 44-40 and 38-40? Both quite capable lever actions.
You mean the 38WCF or 44WCF? :mrgreen:
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Ever since the .44 Magnum came to be people have clamored for lever action carbines -- so much so that early on conversion of Winchester 1892s to the new magnum were popular. So it's nothing new.
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I have been sort of staying away from the gun stores for a couple of months. I had not heard about the sudden interest in .44 Mag lever action firearms. Have the non-gun knowledgeable been suddenly led to believe that they can use a levergun to do something?

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Anyone who thinks they can just buy a firearm and suddenly can become an expert without the practice is spending too much time in fantasy land.
maybe so but

i once gave a British tourist a chance to shoot my 45/70/525gr guide gun at a 100 yard gong. he had never fired a gun in his life. i started him with a marlin lever action 22 with a peep sight, coached him to stop looking at the rear sight, and then coached him a little about recoil and let him go. two shots two hits. i didn't make him an expert at anything, but i did simplify the process of using the tool to the point that he had deadly skill without having to be an expert. naturally one of the bystanders who had never fired a big bore lever gun wanted a go and he also hit the 100 yard gong. with minimal coaching i can make anyone a good shot almost instantly and a great shot with a little practice. this makes a 44 lever gun a fantastic home defense tool. way better than the often mentioned shotgun, IMO.

you don't have to be an expert to use the tool, any more than you have to be an expert nascar driver to pass the string of 18-wheelers on the highway.

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Are grizz's simpler than cave men?

Ptarmigan are pretty simple too...
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I must be the exception. Never had any desire for a levergun in either .44 Mag or .357 Mag. I prefer the old original chamberings.
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They are a handy versatile firearm. Decent for defense, pest control, short range hunting from squirrels to bear with the right loads. Nothing magical about the 44 really other than its more powerful than the 357 and has more variety of readily available loads than 45. They all are the same niche though. One doesn't have to be an expert to hit with it. While a beast in many revolvers it's quite manageable even in a light carbine. There was a time I didn't get the appeal of a rifle that shot handgun ammo (rimfire excepted). I was like why limit yourself to 100ish yards when you can have a 300ish yard rifle (I'm generalizing and talking point blank hunting ranges)? Well sometime you need compactness and more speedy handling over the reach and power of a scoped bolt gun. And they are a lot more fun at short range.
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A 44 mag levergun is a 44-40 for which you can get carbide dies and brass that lasts almost forever and (in normal times) factory ammo at a decent price should you not wish to "roll your own".

No mystery to me it'd be popular.
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earlmck wrote:
Fri Mar 19, 2021 11:13 am
A 44 mag levergun is a 44-40 for which you can get carbide dies and brass that lasts almost forever and (in normal times) factory ammo at a decent price should you not wish to "roll your own". Super super flexible round if you are a reloader.

No mystery to me it'd be popular.
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I must be the exception. Never had any desire for a levergun in either .44 Mag or .357 Mag. I prefer the old original chamberings.
44-40 is close. i've read weak brass. not certain about the bottle neck. never shot one. would have if i could have.

i am biased toward 45/70, which goes back a bit. but the Win92 is handier, which is why they get converted to 44. i sold my 92 25-20 for rent money in a fit of responsibleness. never found another. but i have a marlin 45/70 i would gladly swap for a Win92 44-40, if anyone is silly enough to do it?

problem with ramping up the 92 is stretching the frame, i think Paco wrote about it? with a 405gr 44 mag load in a 1:20 barrel i could get about, just guessing, about maybe double the momentum of the same load in the redhawk. the redhawk chucks the 405 to 80yds, so, eyeballing the numbers, should get closer to 45/70 performance without busting saami pressures for the 92. however this problem is what led to the souped up 500 lever guns, which you give up handiness for. even the AR50 is not as handy as a M92, IMO.
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earlmck wrote:
Fri Mar 19, 2021 11:14 am
earlmck wrote:
Fri Mar 19, 2021 11:13 am
A 44 mag levergun is a 44-40 for which you can get carbide dies and brass that lasts almost forever and (in normal times) factory ammo at a decent price should you not wish to "roll your own". Super super flexible round if you are a reloader.

No mystery to me it'd be popular.
Absolutely. we lost count of the amount of venison the marlin 44m produced. at Tongas NF ranges, the marlin was as good as any other firearm as a meat gun. easy in and out of the skiff. easy shooting from the skiff when motor stalking.
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I was just wondering if the sudden interest was from people thinking they could go buy one and go start some "peaceful" riots and other "peacefully violent" protests.

If the purchaser is just looking for a levergun in .44 Mag for personal reasons other than being "mostly peaceful", then go have fun.
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In my LGS the demand seemed to go from AR and AKs to M1A to PC carbine types, then to Ruger minis and lever actions. Short shotguns aren't as plentiful either. I think the secret is out that the short lever action is a pretty good defender and utility gun. Plus they were never stocked in high numbers to begin with even in the height of CAS.

Oddly there are plenty of handguns. Maybe not all brands and types but enough for any handgun niche. Bolt action rifles and sporting shotguns are plentiful
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earlmck wrote:
Fri Mar 19, 2021 11:13 am
A 44 mag levergun is a 44-40 for which you can get carbide dies and brass that lasts almost forever and (in normal times) factory ammo at a decent price should you not wish to "roll your own".
This is exactly how I think of mine. If you find Winchester white box 240 gr factory soft point ammo, there really isn't anything you cannot hunt with a Marlin 94. Simple and effective.

But, the levergun that rides in my Jeep all the time is a .357. For my needs, that .357 does the trick.
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Only problem with my Win 94 in 44 mag is how badly a box of 50 rounds tenderizes the shoulder! Too fun to stop soon enough!
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Sold my B92 44mag after picking up a Ruger M44 carbine with a scope. It's nice to actually see what I'm shooting at again.
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I have a Browning 92 and a Marlin 94 in .44 that I haven't shot yet.

Maybe I should take advantage of this new interest!
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I'm wondering also if some of the surge has to be use of them in shotgun zones in some states for deer season?
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Grizz wrote:
Fri Mar 19, 2021 11:20 am
marlinman93 wrote:
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I must be the exception. Never had any desire for a levergun in either .44 Mag or .357 Mag. I prefer the old original chamberings.
44-40 is close. i've read weak brass. not certain about the bottle neck. never shot one. would have if i could have.
The .44-40 is a good cartridge, but you're correct about them being thin necks, and easily deformed. Just a slight loss of attention while reloading will easily result in a crunched case mouth with little effort. I know it's a bottleneck, but they sure aren't much of a bottleneck case. Always look more like a tapered case than a bottleneck. The .38-40 I like better, and the .32-20 I love as one of my favorite small rifle/pistol cartridges! The .25-20 is OK, but just never loved it like I do the .32-20.
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Scott Tschirhart wrote:
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I have a Browning 92 and a Marlin 94 in .44 that I haven't shot yet.

Maybe I should take advantage of this new interest!
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His .38 Special is demanding a lot of his free time.
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I really like 357 and 44 magnum in a lever action carbine. I have a 16" Winchester 94 and a Browning 92 in 44. I have an old 20" Rossi in 357.
I like the 38 and 44wcf, and owned them long before the 357 and 44 magnum, they are just more of a hassle to load in volume. There is also way better brass life with the thicker magnum cases if you warm em up. I also own way more of the 38 and 44wcf in guns I like better, but I feel way less guilty about beating the magnums around.
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piller wrote:
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His .38 Special is demanding a lot of his free time.
That's exactly right.
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dad wrote:
Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:09 pm
I'm wondering also if some of the surge has to be use of them in shotgun zones in some states for deer season?
That happened here in Ohio when the laws were changed to allow the us of straight wall cartridges. I think there were more than a few people intimidated by rounds like the .45-70s, .444s etc. I remember when I first got my .450 Marlin, a guy at the range was too scared to shoot it when I offered to let him try it. A lot of guys opted for the .44s, .45s and 357s, so much that they were hard to get for a year or so. I have a couple .357 and .44 carbines, but with all the straight wall cartridge rifles I own, I'd most likely use one of those.

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I myself like the pistol calibers in a lever gun. There just a lot of fun to shoot! I have Marlins 1894 in both and would not get rid of them for anything! .Winchester White box shoot's so well in the 44 mag, that's all I really need! You guys are right about all the lever action disappearing from the shelves. My local gun shop has nothing but Italian levers in stock, lots of them! Apparently nobody's buying the Uberti's. The only Henrys in stock are all 22 levers. When a American Winchester or a pre safety Marin show up there gone within a few hours'. You have to be Johnny on the spot to pick up something when it walks in for trade or cash! They had a excellent condition Angle Eject Winchester 94 in 7-30 waters that lasted about 3 hrs. I sure miss the days you could walk in a pick between 10 or 15 vintage lever guns.
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3leggedturtle wrote:
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Why all of a sudden are people asking fir a levergun in 44 Magnum? Did a Internet forumn have a big deal on them ir something.... BTW prices for them and 357's are nuts! Todd/3leg
At this time, we are experiencing a sellers’ market for all guns. It has happened before, usually politically driven. But, there are more influences, like the defunding law enforcement, the riots and of course the china virus and the politics. Kind of the perfect storm this time.
As for the leverguns, there are even more factors. The uncertainty of the Remington crash and the Marlins. Then, I was told the Taurus acquisition of Rossi back about 2009 did not include the building or property. So, Taurus had a 10 year window to move the plant out. I don’t know for a fact but it makes sense because according to my distributors from about 2017 to about September of 2019 there were no 92’s imported from Rossi. They showed up then but sold of fairly quick. The majority were stainless 20” 357mag and 44mags carbines.
From what I have seen over the years they sell more 357’s than all the other cals combined. But, now that they have dried up or slowed to a trickle coming in, more folks are looking at the 44 mags.
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Last trip to the LGS they had three new Rossis, all 357, two Trappers.
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Old Savage wrote:
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Last trip to the LGS they had three new Rossis, all 357, two Trappers.
The problem is none of the distributors have them. What's on theLGS shelfs is the tail end of the last batch.
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I musta been ahead of the times. In 1972, off the coast of VN, I was offered a NIB Winchester mdl 94 in 44Magnum, for 1/3rd of it's Navy Exchange price... I think I paid right at $40 including 2 boxes of Remington ammo. I know that when we were assigned up North SAR in the Tonkin Gulf and were tasked with sinking jettisoned fuel tanks I was allowed out for a bit of target practice. Even had some ammo supplied for me! With full house ammo, I swear it kicked quite a bit harder than a .30-30 in the same mdl. Too bad someone couldn't resist the temptation to steal...

My 1st few cowboy action matches were with a borrowed 1892 Winchester in 38WCF. I thought I wanted a 357, shooting 38Spl's from a Rossi when my handgun was a 45 Colt seemed a might anemic. So, in early 1987, I bought an Uberti 1873 in 45 Colt! It's a very versatile cartridge, that's even more so in a rifle! I currently have an 1860, 2 - 1873s, an 1885, an 1892 and 1894 Marlin. With another 1860 on order!
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We made a 5k mile road trip with my son and his family up through SD, WY, MT, through Canada to Alaska.
It was in 2019 so my son must gotten one of the stainless 20" .357s NKJ mentioned. It made the trip with us.
We kept it in a molle shotgun scabbard draped over the back of the seat of the Jeep stuffed with 180gr. hardcast.
We carried it through hotel lobbies all over. Got a few looks, but nobody said a word. Same with the Great Dane with us. Only time we unloaded the Rossi was to cross the border. They never even asked to see it. I couldn't believe it.
The only thing the border guard was concerned with was the dog and if we had any "handgun ammo". I said, "well the rifle is a .357, so what do you want me to tell you?".
He just shook his head and let us go.
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August 1999, I spent a full month on the road. Slept in a bed only two nights.

I had a .50-110 Sharps and a Savage Scout in my Jeep. I left Waco, Texas on the 1st.

When I crossed into Canada, they asked me if I had guns. I told them the truth. They asked how much ammo I had in weight. I had no idea so I may or may not have told the truth.

I spent the middle of the month in Alaska. When I cossed back over to Canada at the top of the world, they didn't even ask me about guns.

I made that trip without a cell phone and I got home on fumes in the gas tank and not a dime in my pocket. Life was simpler then and I was much more free.
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Sounds great to me sir!
My wife and I have talked about doing it again. We were gone a month last time.
I'd like to take the Jeep and be gone for twice as long next time. :D
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last trips thru canada to and from alaska i declared my firearm on the official form and went thru the official formality of bringing it into the country in compliance with their laws. 2017 and 2018, by boat and by car.

there are STERN repercussions in canadian law for being out of compliance.

it didn't used to be that way. just go through customs. no one ever asked "back in the day". they apparently assumed that no one in their right mind would travel through wild wilderness unarmed...

never had any issues getting into canada, they are extremely polite, it's the u.s. customs cops that are unbelievable arrogant idiots at the border. (BTW, the auto censor deleted my expression and substituted one agreeable to the censor. which means that y'all can spend time guessing what i could have said that merits the auto substitution. which is great. won't be able to unsee those clusters!! LOL)
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I must admit I enjoy owning a .44 mag lever action...
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Scrumbag wrote:
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I must admit I enjoy owning a .44 mag lever action...
And that, my friends, is a good enough reason!
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Grizz wrote:
Fri Mar 19, 2021 8:37 am
Anyone who thinks they can just buy a firearm and suddenly can become an expert without the practice is spending too much time in fantasy land.
maybe so but

i once gave a British tourist a chance to shoot my 45/70/525gr guide gun at a 100 yard gong. he had never fired a gun in his life. i started him with a marlin lever action 22 with a peep sight, coached him to stop looking at the rear sight, and then coached him a little about recoil and let him go. two shots two hits. i didn't make him an expert at anything, but i did simplify the process of using the tool to the point that he had deadly skill without having to be an expert. naturally one of the bystanders who had never fired a big bore lever gun wanted a go and he also hit the 100 yard gong. with minimal coaching i can make anyone a good shot almost instantly and a great shot with a little practice. this makes a 44 lever gun a fantastic home defense tool. way better than the often mentioned shotgun, IMO.

you don't have to be an expert to use the tool, any more than you have to be an expert nascar driver to pass the string of 18-wheelers on the highway.

the bead is the bullet. the bullet lands where the bead is when the bullet leaves the barrel. so simple even a grizz can do it !!!

hitting a gong at 100 yards is so easy, even a caveman can do it :mrgreen: ( I couldnt pass that up)
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hitting a gong at 100 yards is so easy, even a caveman can do it :mrgreen: ( I couldnt pass that up)
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Re: Why 44's now?

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Chuck Barris might disagree.
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Re: Why 44's now?

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My Rossi 44 was my favorite lever until I picked up a 480 Ruger, then the 44 moved down the road. My 480R is a delight to carry and shoot and I love the 390 grain hammers that it throws. I fully understand the attraction of the 44, bigger is definitely better.
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Re: Why 44's now?

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My .480 Ruger levergun is a real hammer. 390 to 400 grail bullets at 1200 fps will knock over most game with a serious slap.
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Quid Llatine Dictum Sit, Altum Viditur.
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