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thought of the day

#1 Post by rossim92 » Tue Feb 11, 2020 9:43 pm

If you are attacked in a "gun free zone" and didn't bring your weapon in order to comply with that rule, the creator of the gun free zone should be legally liable for your injuries. Prove me wrong! :D
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#2 Post by piller » Tue Feb 11, 2020 9:57 pm

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#3 Post by rossim92 » Wed Feb 12, 2020 5:22 pm

well, i guess the bad guys are still getting away with it. It's a shame, really. :(
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Re: thought of the day

#4 Post by Sixgun Sr » Wed Feb 12, 2020 6:02 pm

Geeze...if your talking handguns, the entire states of New Jersey, New York, California, and other Communist states are gun free zones unless your a jewelry store owner.

Piller said it right.....you have no business being there.....I live 15 miles from Jersey and haven't been there since 1978.

I can't imagine being ANYWHERE unable to defend myself......a few years ago me and the wife were in Philly walking around Independence Hall and were going to see the Liberty Bell where there was a sign that said "Gun Free Zone". I told the Ranger that I was carrying and he told me to leave as it's Federal property and my Pa permit didn't count there...so I left.----6
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#5 Post by AJMD429 » Wed Feb 12, 2020 6:25 pm

I've read that there have been cases where similar situations resulted in liability. Not with evil 'guns' though.

Of course the burden of proof gets put as "....you can't prove that just because you had a double-stack 1911 that you'd trained with and fired 10,000 rounds with over the years would have resulted in your not getting injured when the guy with the baseball bat cornered you in the parking garage, and spent five minutes taunting you before bashing your head in..." :roll:

Certainly there would be parallel situations where such liability could (and probably has) been assessed:

> A school which prohibited a kid from having an asthma inhaler on her person.
> An apartment owner who would prohibit fire extinguishers.
> A scout troop not allowing a kid to have his syringe of epinephrine for bee allergy.

When I worked as a pharmacist for Kroger, the stores had a "no firearms" policy, but the store manager made it clear that he wasn't going to enforce it against the pharmacists. I didn't like that though, because I felt it still gave them a reason to dismiss a pharmacist who they just didn't like for some other reason. Plus, what about the non-pharmacist pharmacy staff, who might be caught in an armed robbery (and are more likely to be the one with the gun pointed at them), and what about the regular low-end-wage staff, often young women, who go out in the dark parking lot at midnight to retrieve grocery carts...?

The PROBLEM with such policies (other than their very existence) is that whoever objects to them will of course be scrutinized, so if they attempt to still carry concealed, they will be caught. If they just violate the policy quietly, on their own, and don't voice an objection, they are less likely to lose their job. So, since I was only a 'fill-in' pharmacist, I decided to send written objection to the policy, even if it meant getting 'caught' exercising my rights, and 'fired with cause' ("...iscrew 'em...I'm gonna be a doctor..." [although as I've expressed perhaps that wasn't the panacea I though it might be :? ] ). Of course it went nowhere, and I got the usual bureaucrat "we have to make our stores the safest place possible" response. :roll:

When I worked for a large medical group that was very 'corporate', they also had a "no firearms" policy, but verbally said they would 'probably' make an exception for physicians. I did the same thing, and pointed out that often the medical assistants and nursing staff were more vulnerable (mostly young females), and only exempting physicians would be hypocritical and 'discriminatory' (corporate buzzword). It was taken up 'for consideration' but there was no written response.

That corporation fell apart from middle-heavy bureaucracy and ineptitude, and was trying to eliminate any physicians who might make waves of any sort. Since I had already expressed some public concerns regarding the quality of patient care and corner-cutting, I knew I would be a 'target' for elimination on some grounds, so I switched my "carry gun" to a blank-firing non-gun Beretta 92 replica on the waistband holster under my shirts, and just wore my special hand-stitched "SP-101 Boots" from then on. Had management shown up mid-day to escort me out for "violating policy" like they had done to several other physicians for non-gun issues, I would have made fools out of them - "...Why, I don't actually carry a REAL gun; those are dangerous - all I have on me is this blank pistol - I don't even keep any bullets in it... 8) :lol: "

Anyhow - I certainly would like to see such liability assessed to the creators of 'gun free zones' VERY aggressively...
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#6 Post by 6pt-sika » Wed Feb 12, 2020 6:50 pm

Sixgun Sr wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 6:02 pm


I can't imagine being ANYWHERE unable to defend myself......a few years ago me and the wife were in Philly walking around Independence Hall and were going to see the Liberty Bell where there was a sign that said "Gun Free Zone". I told the Ranger that I was carrying and he told me to leave as it's Federal property and my Pa permit didn't count there...so I left.----6
Same deal when you go in the US Post Office ! And between you and me I generally always have a 1911 on my belt sometimes covered sometimes not and so far an issue hasn’t transpired . To go in our county courthouse no weapons of any sort , so when I went in to pay a speeding ticket I got in a somewhat heated conversation with a local deputy sheriff about the matter . Pretty much told them if I can’t be packing they need to get theirs off as well . At first I was just teasing them as I knew one of them but another fellow I didn’t know got in the conversation and it went south quick .
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Re: thought of the day

#7 Post by piller » Thu Feb 13, 2020 1:42 am

I really would prefer that my employer allow us to carry. No, I would never try to protect the things there. Insurance covers all that. I would like to be able to protect my life in case of a severe emergency. Lives are important, possessions are less so.
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#8 Post by Blaine » Thu Feb 13, 2020 3:27 am

Unless I know there are metal detectors, my policy is Don't Ask, Don't Tell....
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