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Friend of my wife has come to me for advice about self defense firearm. She owns and runs several classes at a cross fit gym. She is a past competitor in Miss Fitness pageants. She is about to get divorced from a husband who has gone through a mid life crisis and developed a seriously bizarre control freak. He is prone to rage outbursts that come and go like a summer squall.

And she is legally blind. She can see but its limited..... more then a few feet from her nose and things go seriously blurry.

What sort of handgun would you recommend? I'm thinking a semi auto 9mm like a M&P because it is generally easy to shoot, can mount a laser (particularly important because I think the utility of sights is questionable in her case). She has little experience with shooting.

Do you think I am on right track? Any suggestions or thoughts would be appreciated.

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P.S. I should add this strictly a home defense firearm …… concealed carry is out of question.
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Sounds like the ex is bipolar ?

If everything is a blur at distance I have concerns about her having/ using a firearm. Not because of her disability but because she can not distinguish friend from foe without hearing a voice.
However I would defer to a shotgun, easier to hit with, commands more respect looking down that big gaping muzzle.

Please advise her to change the locks !

I hope the ex will just go away and she doesn't need to protect herself!!
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How about a 45 auto, either a semi or revolver, loaded with the CCI 45 acp shotshells? Could have the first 3 shots the shotshells and the remainder is regular HP's. I would suggest something like a "Judge" but recoil might be too much.
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Agreed about the locks, DON'T FORGET THE DEADBOLTS! Hope the "problem" goes away!
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Take her to an indoor range where she can try several different shooters.... If she can teach cross-fit, she can learn to shoot. :idea:
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with apologies to GunnyMacK:

"If everything is a blur at distance I have concerns about her having/ using a firearm. Not because of her disability but because she can not distinguish friend from foe without hearing a voice.
However I would defer to a trained PITBULL, commands more respect looking down that big gaping muzzle full of teeth.

Please advise her to change the locks !

I hope the ex will just go away and she doesn't need to protect herself!!"
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I have to agree with the suggestion of an indoor range and trying some different choices. If she can teach cross fit, she can hold and use a shotgun.
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Both! A handgun that shoots shotshells for indoor and a pitbull that is highly responsive to voice and hand commands. :x No woman should be threatened by a man for personal justification. Oh, train it to bite family jewels and hold on till cops show up. :evil:
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I'm not going to suggest a handgun. A 20 ga semi auto shotgun with 18.5" cylinder barrel. A safe room and a cell phone kept in that room at all times, fully charged.

A safe room doesn't have to be a vault. Just any room with as few interior walls as possible and a good solid door with a dead bolt. You can get more elaborate, but it's funny how many folks only think of doors or possibly windows as ingress points.
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I suggested the dog. She was non committal about it. Her son and daughter have finally gotten out on their own and husband has moved out and her mother recently passed so for the first time in a long time she is not committed to taking care of someone else. I pointed out that the dog could 'hang out' at the gym office and the staff would sort of share the responsibility but she was unmoved.

I changed the locks, added deadbolts, got her an appointment with a security company for an alarm and panic button (though there are several pretty reasonable options sold on line that works with your wifi which is probably as reliable or more reliable then the phone line), and out fitted her with a couple pepper sprays (different sizes for different situations).

She is taking a kick boxing class with a aim to becoming an instructor so she is pretty capable.

Soon to be ex is and has always been a different breed of guy. Personally I don't buy into the whole addiction culture but if there is anyone I know who qualifies as a sex addict it was him. He had/has a serious porn fascination, thing for strippers, other weirdness which has only recently come to light. He has never been violent but has become verbally and emotionally abusive. I'm not sure he would cross that line but I'm not sure he wouldn't.

She went out of town with some girl friends for a long weekend over the new years holiday and someone broke into her house, stole some personal items, defecated on her bed and destroyed the interior of her car. No can say it was him but …….

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DNA tests could prove if it were him the burglar.

If she isn't motivated enough to 'put up with' a dog, then she may have her own issues; not sure what the point is trying to help someone that disinterested in her own safety.

Agree with Blaine though - let HER shoot various firearms and pick what works best.

Just doesn't seem like she is all that motivated though.
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"And she is legally blind. She can see but its limited..... more then a few feet from her nose and things go seriously blurry."
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This sounds like an accident waiting happen.

I would not want to become involved in any type of firearms recommendation, take her shooting, training her, etc., given the above. Given today's lawsuit happy society and/or call me an old maid, I would advise to her find a firearms training class to CYA.
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Ray Newman wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2020 4:43 pm"And she is legally blind. She can see but its limited..... more then a few feet from her nose and things go seriously blurry."
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This sounds like an accident waiting happen.
I would not want to become involved in any type of firearms recommendation, take her shooting, training her, etc., given the above. Given today's lawsuit happy society and/or call me an old maid, I would advise to her find a firearms training class to CYA.
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Perhaps a big honkin snort of bear spray might Change Mr friendly's attitude. :evil: A big knife might be good for a blind person as well.
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My mom was legally blind her last 10 years or so. She could no longer drive an automobile but could easily tell who someone was at typical living room distance. If she ever needed to shoot someone, dads shotgun was always propped up in the corner and I have no doubt she would have been able to hit what she was aiming for.

What I am trying to say, is there are many degrees of blindness.

As an inexperienced shooter, I would recommend a K frame 38 special with a four inch barrel. Easy to use and effective.
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I'm in the big, well trained dog camp. Maybe one of the .410 revolvers as a back up, but a Tazer, Mace, Pepper spray would be a better option. Last thing anyone wants to do is shoot an innocent.

Tough situation. Like others have said, any guy that beats a woman needs to be medicated, removed from society or soundly beaten.

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It is impractical to have a dog or shotgun with her all the time. A good quick opening folder is a must. And don't pull it til it's cutting time. I'm hesitant to recommend a firearm if her vision is truly bad. I know I don't want blind people shooting around me. If she is only going to shoot within arms length, why not a 38 snub? Or a taser?
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I'm voting for some serious pepper spray/mace, small, can be with her at all times, and usually more then effective. I'm not comfortable with blind people and guns, and I love guns....
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Without my glasses, I cannot see farther than 6 inches. I can see colors better than humans are supposed to be able, but I have always been blind. With glasses I have 20/20 vision. I can move in my house in total darkness without bumping anything. My mother has an obsessive compulsive disorder to move furniture weekly. Until Second Grade when the Teacher forced her to understand that I could not see, my Mother thought it was hilarious that I tripped over the furniture. I would bet that the lady in question knows just exactly how many steps to any part of the house. As far as shooting, that is not something I would attempt without vision correction. A good sharp knife at less than arms length can be quite the attitude changer.
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A person with that type of disability can get all the help she needs with a Service Dog if she so wishes. It doesn't have to be a Labrador.

When I went through my health scare I was offered to have one of my dogs registered as a support animal.

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she needs to go to court and get a restraining order--I would have her move in with a couple that she trusts so she is not alone, hopefully someone in another town... it's real easy to move from emotional/verbal abuse to physical abuse ( I've been to a couple of murder/suicide incidents in the last couple of years that began where your friend is now). porn is very addictive and very destructive. We have 7 detectives in my LE Agency who work full time in investigating sexual offenders, all of them started with porn, and worked their way to a very dark place... :(
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Ray Newman wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2020 4:43 pm "And she is legally blind. She can see but its limited..... more then a few feet from her nose and things go seriously blurry."
wm

This sounds like an accident waiting happen.

I would not want to become involved in any type of firearms recommendation, take her shooting, training her, etc., given the above. Given today's lawsuit happy society and/or call me an old maid, I would advise to her find a firearms training class to CYA.
I'd be very concerned about the "blind" issue too -- for her and YOU if you get involved.

Maybe one of the Kimber Pepper Spray 2-shot devices (that look like a small Seacamp semi) would provide some get-off-me protection -- AND in the event it wasn't her husband, but someone else; or if she gets frightened and confused and pulls/uses it on the wrong person, at least then it wouldn't be fatal. It might also conceal more easily in her workout clothes, so it's always with her.

And yes, change the locks.

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Firearms should always be the last resort, there are plenty of things she needs to do to increase her safety and security, most of which have already been listed in this thread. I am very leery of anyone who is "blind" in any degree having a firearm and trying to use it in a stressful situation. The chances of shooting the wrong person or missing the right person seem pretty high to me.
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Ray Newman wrote: Sun Jan 19, 2020 4:43 pm "And she is legally blind. She can see but its limited..... more then a few feet from her nose and things go seriously blurry."
wm

This sounds like an accident waiting happen.

I would not want to become involved in any type of firearms recommendation, take her shooting, training her, etc., given the above. Given today's lawsuit happy society and/or call me an old maid, I would advise to her find a firearms training class to CYA.
I don't agree. In a situation where she felt threatened, and the intruder did not identify himself, she has a right to protect herself. Even if it's not her ex, anyone in her home or attacking her anywhere, she should be able to protect herself. Arming herself is for personal protection, not for a longer range gun fight. I would think if someone violent beat down her door in the middle of the night but did not say "Howdy, I'm your friendly neighbor", she has a right to protect herself, shoot...

I agree with Blaine, take her to a range that rents guns and have her try different firearms at 10' where she won't need to aim/use the sights, "just point and shoot"...
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I'm not sure that it would be sage advice to recommend any firearm to someone who is "legally blind". As much as I'd love to see every person own and defend themselves with a firearm, we need to make sure everyone who does so can do so well. I'm not sure anyone who is legally blind can defend themselves well, and make good decisions when their vision is that impaired.
I would recommend she makes sure she's well equipped physically to defend herself, and maybe choose non lethal defense products that if used accidentally on the wrong person wont end up taking a life. And the suggestions for dogs and great door locks are also great ideas.
I sure wouldn't involve myself in suggesting a handgun, and possibly being legally involved if it goes sideways later.
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It's possible that some are misconstruing the term Legally Blind. :idea:

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Someone who is legally blind has a corrected vision of 20/200 in their best seeing eye. ... Visual acuity of 20/200 means that what the legally blind person can see at 20 feet, the average person can see clearly at 200 feet. As for visual field, the average person can see 140 degrees without turning his head.

Without glasses, I'm 20/400 and I can see perfectly well enough to recognize people and blast them if they mean me harm.
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A small light .380 that she can keep in her purse. Of course with training of point shooting up close. I don`t automatically believe everything a woman or anyone else tells me. There`s always two sides to a story. You cant carry a shotgun around shopping or whatever. Fine to keep in her house or apartment.
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My contacts are a -10 on the diopter scale. Glasses are at -12. I can use a bright flashlight, flip it on, and identify the color blob 10 feet away as known or unknown as fast or faster than anyone I have ever been around. Each and every one has what I see as a unique color blob. With glasses it is as clear as for anyone. Believe it or not, we all have a slight red and purple glow in the dark. Most with normal vision never pay the slightest attention to this. Those of us who need a lot of correction pay attention to all the information coming in because we need to. I can identify my wife at distance even without my glasses on just because of her unique color blob that I see. I like the fact that some insects glow in the dark. Scorpions warn you with their sickly green glow. Use an ultraviolet light and they really light up.

My vision is 20/450. I can see at 20 feet uncorrected what a person with 20/20 sees at 450 feet.
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Booger Bill wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:08 pm A small light .380 that she can keep in her purse. Of course with training of point shooting up close. I don`t automatically believe everything a woman or anyone else tells me. There`s always two sides to a story. You cant carry a shotgun around shopping or whatever. Fine to keep in her house or apartment.
True that! Always 2 sides to every story. Doesn't mean one or the other is always right or wrong, just that you may not have all the information.
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Blaine wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2020 11:56 am It's possible that some are misconstruing the term Legally Blind. :idea:

SNIP:
Someone who is legally blind has a corrected vision of 20/200 in their best seeing eye. ... Visual acuity of 20/200 means that what the legally blind person can see at 20 feet, the average person can see clearly at 200 feet. As for visual field, the average person can see 140 degrees without turning his head.

Without glasses, I'm 20/400 and I can see perfectly well enough to recognize people and blast them if they mean me harm.
What's to misconstrue? This statement by wm in his first post says it all:

"And she is legally blind. She can see but its limited..... more then a few feet from her nose and things go seriously blurry."

I'd say if you can't see anything clearly a few feet from you, you probably shouldn't be shooting at it.
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marlinman93 wrote: Tue Jan 21, 2020 11:34 am
Blaine wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2020 11:56 am It's possible that some are misconstruing the term Legally Blind. :idea:

SNIP:
Someone who is legally blind has a corrected vision of 20/200 in their best seeing eye. ... Visual acuity of 20/200 means that what the legally blind person can see at 20 feet, the average person can see clearly at 200 feet. As for visual field, the average person can see 140 degrees without turning his head.

Without glasses, I'm 20/400 and I can see perfectly well enough to recognize people and blast them if they mean me harm.
What's to misconstrue? This statement by wm in his first post says it all:

"And she is legally blind. She can see but its limited..... more then a few feet from her nose and things go seriously blurry."

I'd say if you can't see anything clearly a few feet from you, you probably shouldn't be shooting at it.


While YOU might say that, most people would prefer to protect their lives. :idea:
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what about the smith and Wesson governor? 45/410 6 shot revolver?
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Blaine wrote: Tue Jan 21, 2020 12:15 pm
marlinman93 wrote: Tue Jan 21, 2020 11:34 am
Blaine wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2020 11:56 am It's possible that some are misconstruing the term Legally Blind. :idea:

SNIP:
Someone who is legally blind has a corrected vision of 20/200 in their best seeing eye. ... Visual acuity of 20/200 means that what the legally blind person can see at 20 feet, the average person can see clearly at 200 feet. As for visual field, the average person can see 140 degrees without turning his head.

Without glasses, I'm 20/400 and I can see perfectly well enough to recognize people and blast them if they mean me harm.
What's to misconstrue? This statement by wm in his first post says it all:

"And she is legally blind. She can see but its limited..... more then a few feet from her nose and things go seriously blurry."

I'd say if you can't see anything clearly a few feet from you, you probably shouldn't be shooting at it.


While YOU might say that, most people would prefer to protect their lives. :idea:
Most people would prefer to not shoot the wrong person while doing so.
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At 25 feet, I have to depend on the color patterns to identify a person if I am without my glasses. Believe it or not, I can distinguish friends at that distance without my glasses. I can see the greenish glow of a scorpion at that distance, too. In full daylight I cannot possibly see a scorpion at that distance.
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I think a small semi auto is exactly what she does need. If she is blind enough, she has no business with a shotgun, but she still has a right to defend herself if the perp gets into contact distance. Actually, a knife could keep her from being throttled. stand-off weapons don't seem logical to me...
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marlinman93 wrote: Wed Jan 22, 2020 12:11 pm
Blaine wrote: Tue Jan 21, 2020 12:15 pm
marlinman93 wrote: Tue Jan 21, 2020 11:34 am
Blaine wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2020 11:56 am It's possible that some are misconstruing the term Legally Blind. :idea:

SNIP:
Someone who is legally blind has a corrected vision of 20/200 in their best seeing eye. ... Visual acuity of 20/200 means that what the legally blind person can see at 20 feet, the average person can see clearly at 200 feet. As for visual field, the average person can see 140 degrees without turning his head.

Without glasses, I'm 20/400 and I can see perfectly well enough to recognize people and blast them if they mean me harm.
What's to misconstrue? This statement by wm in his first post says it all:

"And she is legally blind. She can see but its limited..... more then a few feet from her nose and things go seriously blurry."

I'd say if you can't see anything clearly a few feet from you, you probably shouldn't be shooting at it.


While YOU might say that, most people would prefer to protect their lives. :idea:
Most people would prefer to not shoot the wrong person while doing so.
:wink: Yes, it would be easy to mistake an innocent person in one's home from the foaming at the mouth, violent Ex husband....
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Yeah, the ex will probably kick down the door, announce who he is in a loud voice, and make sure he's lined up with her sights. Probably no reason to think he'd be quiet, or break in quietly. I guess she should have a gun.
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marlinman93 wrote: Thu Jan 23, 2020 11:37 am Yeah, the ex will probably kick down the door, announce who he is in a loud voice, and make sure he's lined up with her sights. Probably no reason to think he'd be quiet, or break in quietly. I guess she should have a gun.
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Yes. You are on the right track. A person who is handicapped presents an image of easy prey. She would be wise to train to shoot well. As with any new shooter start with a 22 and work up. As said above take her to a range that rents guns. She should get the largest package she’s willing to keep on her person and shoots where she points. The nightstand is a poor place for a defensive tool if she’s on the potty when she needs it.

She’s better equipped to use what senses she has than some of you well sighted folks are giving her credit for. Low light training and training with Vaseline on your glasses will prove to you just how well you can comprehend your surroundings.

Purse carry is foolish. The main target of mugging is the high value items. Those would be in the purse. Never purse carry.
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At 15 feet I can see well enough to know friend or not in what would be complete darkness due to the colors each person puts out. Heat signature, aura, or whatever you want to call it, we all have it. Most people never pay attention to it because they have no need. When you cannot see well, you learn to pay attention to all visual cues. My color vision being what it is comes from having to pay attention to more than most just to navigate. I would expect the lady in question is much the same. I was 8 years old before I learned that it was possible to see across a 2 lane street. Most people never use their color vision to anywhere close to its potential because they see sharply with the minimal colors. Do not assume that the portion of your vision that you are using is all there is.
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This has sort of gone sideways because of my comment about her legal blindness and that after a several feet things get seriously blurry.

To put this into context Beth can count the hairs in your mustache at 5 feet, tell you what color your shirt is at 20 feet, and at 30 or more …… its just light and dark patches. Inside her home, at room distances she is more then competent enough to handle a firearm. She has passed the CPL course, including range session but does not want a CPL. She does carry Pepper spray religiously. She has several cans of various size. Why? Because women love to accessorize I guess. :lol:

Beth has chosen to live alone now so anyone in the home unannounced is there uninvited. She does not want a CPL type firearm, instead her personal firearm will reside in her bedroom and in theory would be used to cover the door to the bedroom from behind the bed until police come and clear the house.

Beth is not fragile or prone to panic. She is not big but she is all muscle. She was a EMT, ER nurse, flight care nurse, & now is retired and running her own fitness business where she works out like 6 hours every day. She kick boxes as a hobby. She can absolutely kick my butt or out run me or run me down. Probably do the same to about 80% of the worlds population.

Beth does not want a service dog, companion dog, or guard dog because she does not want the responsibility and commitment because she is finally free of those and it feels good to her. Any dog would be a long term relationship in her mind. Also a service dog is in her mind a concession to her handicap and she is not willing to say she needs that.

Beth's kids are torn by the situation and love both parents but definitely see their father becoming someone they don't want to be around. Their solution is to not be around (they both moved out of state). And frankly they are both dealing with their own demons (daughter has a binge drinking issue, son is shacked up with two strippers …… chip off the old block I guess).

I've changed all the locks on the house, added them to windows, got her a security system with panic button, arranged for drive bys by local PD, Sheriff (she lives by their office so at shift change …….), and pulled a favor in and now the fire department station three blocks away has arranged when their firemen jog they jog by Beth's house. The down side is there are a lot of single firemen at that station and Beth is a fitness instructor. :roll:

Peter her soon to be ex is probably going to move to Florida. He has been "corresponding" with a woman there who likes what he proposes ...… If you know what I mean. They met in some sort of chat room for sex addicts that is supposed to be therapeutic in controlling and directing urges most of society rejects as unhealthy. I'm paraphrasing what Peter told me. Don't ask me more then that.

As for a firearm …… she has adopted my old S&W model 15 for now. She is comfortable with it. This weekend she is going with me to a local gun show to find her own or buy me something to trade for the 15. I'd really would have liked her to take a liking to something with a laser on it as I think that is the niche a laser really shines in. That is as aiming aid for someone highly agitated & not gun savy. They can simply focus on the target and never have to change their visual focus, just index the laser spot to center mass. Maybe we will find something with a laser.

I do appreciate the input guys. A lot of good suggestions. Even if they don't fit Beths particulars they were helpful in confirming that I was on the right path when I addressed them with Beth.

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Well that sure changed from blurry at a few feet to better vision than most people!
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