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I was about to get a Sig 938 9mm. Then, I coon-fingered one at the toy store. Hammer and controls way too small and slippery. I was in err on the decocker as it doesn't have one.
What I did see (and I'm going back there after lunch with cash in hand) is one I didn't think I would like. A Sig 365 SAS model. ( Sig Anti Snag).
A completely smooth top slide, and and the controls are recessed on the side. Nothing to catch on.
There is no front sight. Instead, there is a fiber optic recessed into the top that is exactly like a Red Dot. Don't have to line up front and back sights. Tritium for night use. 10+1 mags. About 5oz heavier than the feather weight LCP and a little bigger. The trigger seems just as crisp as a good single action revolver.

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Cool. Interesting rear sight.

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I just settled on a Kimber Ultra Carry 4", 7+1 45. Two Tone as the frame is aluminum. Found the best price at Bud's. It'll be here next week. I'm eighty now and don't want to learn a new gun. I shot tens of thousands of rounds through 1911s back in the eighties when I was shooting IPSC so it's sorta in my memories.
Frankly Blaine, not wishing to be offensive but I think that Sig is just plain ugly. Someone asked me last week why I wouldn't carry my best fighting pistol for EDC. My 4" 1911 with all the bells and whistles was stolen last year so I'm replacing it.
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I think lots has to do with an individual's hands.

I find the 938 the ONLY one I can shoot accurately when it comes to the little 9's...I have long skinny fingers and the rubber (Pachmayr?) grips that came with my 938 are great.

Mine has tritium sights as well.

For me the deal-breaker has been the exposed hammer - I therefore prefer the 938.

HOWEVER - I have to admit that if I have an exposed-hammer gun, I want to carry it chambered of course, so either it has to have a double-action first-shot mode where I can have the hammer down and carry it in a regular holster (like the Taurus PT-92 in the full-size 9mm's, but not the 938 SIG), OR it has to be carried in a thumb-strap (under the hammer) holster. I did get a great holster for the 938 that does just that, but they aren't easy to find.

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M. M. Wright wrote:
Fri Jan 10, 2020 5:47 pm
I just settled on a Kimber Ultra Carry 4", 7+1 45. Two Tone as the frame is aluminum. Found the best price at Bud's. It'll be here next week. I'm eighty now and don't want to learn a new gun. I shot tens of thousands of rounds through 1911s back in the eighties when I was shooting IPSC so it's sorta in my memories.
Frankly Blaine, not wishing to be offensive but I think that Sig is just plain ugly. Someone asked me last week why I wouldn't carry my best fighting pistol for EDC. My 4" 1911 with all the bells and whistles was stolen last year so I'm replacing it.
You are NOT being offensive....you are expressing an opinion. :idea: :wink:
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I had a 938 Equinox.

Right side safety fell off after 150 rounds and the thing shot 8" low at 7yds.

I sent it back and they replaced the safety assembly AND the busted trigger pin.

It shot fine after that, but still shot low. Sold it off.

It was the best size for pocket carry, but I just didn't trust it.
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jdad wrote:
Fri Jan 10, 2020 10:30 pm
I had a 938 Equinox.

Right side safety fell off after 150 rounds and the thing shot 8" low at 7yds.

I sent it back and they replaced the safety assembly AND the busted trigger pin.

It shot fine after that, but still shot low. Sold it off.

It was the best size for pocket carry, but I just didn't trust it.
We shall see...if it sucks, it's going down the road.
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jdad wrote:
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I had a 938 Equinox.

Right side safety fell off after 150 rounds and the thing shot 8" low at 7yds.

I sent it back and they replaced the safety assembly AND the busted trigger pin.

It shot fine after that, but still shot low. Sold it off.

It was the best size for pocket carry, but I just didn't trust it.
With fixed sights, it's often necessary to find the bullet weight that shoots to point of aim. :|
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Blaine wrote:
Fri Jan 10, 2020 11:32 pm
jdad wrote:
Fri Jan 10, 2020 10:30 pm
I had a 938 Equinox.

Right side safety fell off after 150 rounds and the thing shot 8" low at 7yds.

I sent it back and they replaced the safety assembly AND the busted trigger pin.

It shot fine after that, but still shot low. Sold it off.

It was the best size for pocket carry, but I just didn't trust it.
With fixed sights, it's often necessary to find the bullet weight that shoots to point of aim. :|
115,124,147 it didn't make a bit of difference at 7yds out of 3" barrel. 147 HST did shoot the best LOW groups. :D
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jdad wrote:
Fri Jan 10, 2020 11:34 pm
Blaine wrote:
Fri Jan 10, 2020 11:32 pm
jdad wrote:
Fri Jan 10, 2020 10:30 pm
I had a 938 Equinox.

Right side safety fell off after 150 rounds and the thing shot 8" low at 7yds.

I sent it back and they replaced the safety assembly AND the busted trigger pin.

It shot fine after that, but still shot low. Sold it off.

It was the best size for pocket carry, but I just didn't trust it.
With fixed sights, it's often necessary to find the bullet weight that shoots to point of aim. :|
115,124,147 it didn't make a bit of difference at 7yds out of sub 3" barrel.
LIke my LCP, it won't be a target or plinking shooter..I wanted a 9mm over my .380...If it sucks for being reliable, down the road it goes.
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I have an irrational, visceral, dislike for the 9mm Parabellum and the plastic pistols that it is frequently chambered in, but I have to say that 365 anti-snag looks good and seems smart. The single sight is really interesting and I am curious about how you find it when shooting.

I have not looked at the 938 because of my 9mm hate, but did look at the 238 - .380 (thus, the irrational) and while I liked the 1911 ergonomics, I too found it small and a little fiddly.

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Sat Jan 11, 2020 1:11 am
I have an irrational, visceral, dislike for the 9mm Parabellum and the plastic pistols that it is frequently chambered in, but I have to say that 365 anti-snag looks good and seems smart. The single sight is really interesting and I am curious about how you find it when shooting.

I have not looked at the 938 because of my 9mm hate, but did look at the 238 - .380 (thus, the irrational) and while I liked the 1911 ergonomics, I too found it small and a little fiddly.

Congrats on your new pistol.
One likes what the heart tells him to do. I have no love for .380 or 9mm, but if you want a pocket pistol, that's pretty much it except for 32, 25 and 22....the 9mm has half again the "whomp" of the .380.....I've carried my LCP for almost as long as they have been offered. If the Sig doesn't cut the mustard, I'll send it down the road, and gladly revert to the LCP.
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DocRock wrote:
Sat Jan 11, 2020 1:11 am
I have an irrational, visceral, dislike for the 9mm Parabellum and the plastic pistols that it is frequently chambered in, but I have to say that 365 anti-snag looks good and seems smart. The single sight is really interesting and I am curious about how you find it when shooting.

I have not looked at the 938 because of my 9mm hate, but did look at the 238 - .380 (thus, the irrational) and while I liked the 1911 ergonomics, I too found it small and a little fiddly.

Congrats on your new pistol.
I had the same dislike, but I wanted a compact, high capacity pistol with adequate power for concealed carry and wound up with a regular P365. Dern thing fits my hand and points like it was custom made for me. YMMV. Very pleasant to shoot, which was surprising due to the small size. Replaces a S&W J-Frame .38, with about the same size but over twice the capacity. More fun to shoot, too.
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"Dern thing fits my hand and points like it was custom made for me..."

THAT is a huge factor for me in handgun choice. If it is also reliable, and in a decent chambering, I'm for it.

There are some guns that you can lay on the table (unloaded), close your eyes, pick up the gun and assume your 'shooting stance', and when you open your eyes the sights are lined up perfectly.....THOSE likely will be your best CCW guns.
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Blaine wrote:
Fri Jan 10, 2020 11:32 pm
With fixed sights, it's often necessary to find the bullet weight that shoots to point of aim. :|
One other thing -- especially for SIG handguns.

They will ALL shoot low if you use a 6 o'clock hold on the target; as SIGs are set up for a "combat sight picture" where you cover the target with the front sight.

A low sight picture will deliver low shots for sure.

Good luck with the P365 SAS.

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Old No7 wrote:
Sat Jan 11, 2020 7:58 am
Blaine wrote:
Fri Jan 10, 2020 11:32 pm
With fixed sights, it's often necessary to find the bullet weight that shoots to point of aim. :|
One other thing -- especially for SIG handguns.

They will ALL shoot low if you use a 6 o'clock hold on the target; as SIGs are set up for a "combat sight picture" where you cover the target with the front sight.

A low sight picture will deliver low shots for sure.

Good luck with the P365 SAS.

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I've noticed that (and don't care for that at all) and it's why I prefer adjustable sights. But, those are pretty rare on pocket pistols...
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In the last two days i went to a public gun range with my just bought cz75d pcr. on the first day i shot 100 rds to feel it out, on the second day i took my son with his cz75b and we both shot 100 rd a piece on our own cz. we never had a ftf or fte. You need to check em out if you havent Blaine , nice guns. Some dude two booths over was shootin what I assume was a .50 caliber revolver with about an 8 inch barrel. sounded like a cannon going off even wit hear plugs in. IT WAS A GOOD DAY OR TWO! :D
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In the last two days i went to a public gun range with my just bought cz75d pcr. on the first day i shot 100 rds to feel it out, on the second day i took my son with his cz75b and we both shot 100 rd a piece on our own cz. we never had a ftf or fte. You need to check em out if you havent Blaine , nice guns. Some dude two booths over was shootin what I assume was a .50 caliber revolver with about an 8 inch barrel. sounded like a cannon going off even wit hear plugs in. IT WAS A GOOD DAY OR TWO! :D
I looked at the CZs and other. They were just not light enough, or small enough for the pocket gun I wanted. I've no doubt that your CZ is top quality and exactly what you wanted. My new Sig is in jail for another 9 working days. :oops:
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Glad you found what you wanted. I hope you are happy with it. You do what makes you happy. Ihave a glock i like also, my son hates it though!
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Glad you found what you wanted. I hope you are happy with it. You do what makes you happy. Ihave a glock i like also, my son hates it though!
I'm lazy in my EDC habits...I don't want to holster-up except for slipping the litte mouse gun in a pocket sleeve.
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I've found of late that a J frame seems to fit my needs best of all. After all these years the controls are second nature at this point.
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Blaine,
If you do buy the 938 I have the ideal pocket holster for you $20. I don't need it anymore.

https://recluseholster.com/sig-sauer-p9 ... 6add4ddf6a




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Blaine wrote:
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...My new Sig is in jail for another 9 working days. :oops:
Had to wait for mine too, because first it had to be shipped from the east coast, then it was wrapped in a box under the Christmas tree!
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jdad wrote:
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Blaine,
If you do buy the 938 I have the ideal pocket holster for you $20. I don't need it anymore.

https://recluseholster.com/sig-sauer-p9 ... 6add4ddf6a




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That's a generous deal, but the 635 SAS is a done deal.
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Looking forward to a range report.
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piller wrote:
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Looking forward to a range report.
I concur.....

That newfangled sight is intriguing !
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Ray wrote:
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piller wrote:
Sun Jan 12, 2020 12:46 am
Looking forward to a range report.
I concur.....

That newfangled sight is intriguing !
I just don't give top priority to sights on a carry gun. I want to bounce the center of the silhouette around at 30 feet without considering the sight.
If I"m more than 30 feet away I'm heading left if I can on a righty and running, if I'm shooting it probably won't be looking through a site there either.
I'm mean it's nice to see how accurate it'll shoot farther but it's not my top priority.
P229 can shoot out a mosquito's eye and 50 feet (ok ok, but you know what I mean) my P224 I carry because it's a bit smaller and I don't have the money to buy a "newer" P229 compact, but it clearly isn't as accurate at longer distances via a site. Ah don't much care except I can't find a second P224 barrel as of yet.
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Accuracy is never something I ignore. I understand that you are looking more at a combat accuracy. I hunt some with my handguns and that puts my accuracy needs in a different perspective. I know how accurate my handguns can be, and I haven't found a range near me which lets a shooter simulate combat/worst case scenario conditions. Taking your time in a hurry is a description of what I try to do.
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.the 9mm has half again the "whomp" of the .380....
hold on there Pilgrim,

when I tested my sidearms and ammo, the 380 with the federal FP TC bullets landed right beside the 9mm Gold Dots in jug #2

if there is a 50% benefit it would have to be measured a different way. now, comparing 9mm Gold Dots to 380 hollow points, those 380's self destructed. they were too frangible to attack water! Argh.
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Grizz wrote:
Mon Jan 13, 2020 12:53 pm
.the 9mm has half again the "whomp" of the .380....
hold on there Pilgrim,

when I tested my sidearms and ammo, the 380 with the federal FP TC bullets landed right beside the 9mm Gold Dots in jug #2

if there is a 50% benefit it would have to be measured a different way. now, comparing 9mm Gold Dots to 380 hollow points, those 380's self destructed. they were too frangible to attack water! Argh.
Penetration, while good, is not the amount of energy delivered to the target. A .22 might very well penetrate just as far, but lacks the punch.
I remember my highly scientific Seattle Phone Book test with .45acp FMJ and JHPs....the FMJs blasted through the book thereby expending some energy on the dirt behind it. The JHPs stopped in the book with all the energy expended on the victim, err, book.
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this is a very old conversation. wrung out In Jayco's time. if an arrow passes through a deer, does it cause less damage than an arrow that stops in the deer and so deposits all its energy ??? The bit about staying in the casualty is about limiting colllateral damage from pass-throughs. The purpose of the energy is to cause the bullet to shred as much infrastructure as possible. What the energy does in the process is the dependent on the bullet technology. So the momentum is the thing that makes the bullet function. And a well designed 380 bullet will cause enough bleeding to achieve the goal of blood letting. IMO
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Grizz wrote:
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this is a very old conversation. wrung out In Jayco's time. if an arrow passes through a deer, does it cause less damage than an arrow that stops in the deer and so deposits all its energy ??? The bit about staying in the casualty is about limiting colllateral damage from pass-throughs. The purpose of the energy is to cause the bullet to shred as much infrastructure as possible. What the energy does in the process is the dependent on the bullet technology. So the momentum is the thing that makes the bullet function. And a well designed 380 bullet will cause enough bleeding to achieve the goal of blood letting. IMO
Back at Jayco's place, it was "us" that supported the wide meplat hardcasts over softpoints....Those have not been a part of this discussion.
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actually, that was part of the point I was trying to make.. those truncated cone flat nose 380s function like hard cast out of the LCP, and have the same penetration... it is possible to think that a 9mm hollow point that opens up like a ninja meat cutter could cause someone to bleed out faster, but of course bleeding out still leaves a lethal bad guy in the fight, while a 380 TC will turn the lights off instantly... That's all I'm sayin'

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Grizz wrote:
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actually, that was part of the point I was trying to make.. those truncated cone flat nose 380s function like hard cast out of the LCP, and have the same penetration... it is possible to think that a 9mm hollow point that opens up like a ninja meat cutter could cause someone to bleed out faster, but of course bleeding out still leaves a lethal bad guy in the fight, while a 380 TC will turn the lights off instantly... That's all I'm sayin'

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that's true for rifle or other high pressure rounds with the type of loads I use in .380, but it is not true of .380 because it doesn't have enough gas to get that done. a plethora of factors at play.
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Re: I Changed My Mind On The Sig 938

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Grizz wrote:
Tue Jan 14, 2020 3:07 pm
that's true for rifle or other high pressure rounds with the type of loads I use in .380, but it is not true of .380 because it doesn't have enough gas to get that done. a plethora of factors at play.
:D When I carried the 317 AirLite .22 I was going to be happy with putting lots of holes in things. Same now with my .380, and once again with the new Sig 9mm....There's plenty of reasons not to be satisified with just One Hole from most EDCs....
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Re: I Changed My Mind On The Sig 938

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Grizz wrote:
Tue Jan 14, 2020 3:07 pm
that's true for rifle or other high pressure rounds with the type of loads I use in .380, but it is not true of .380 because it doesn't have enough gas to get that done. a plethora of factors at play.
My P3AT .380 will pass a wfn hardcast through a deer at 7 yards. I tested it with shortened 180 grain pills. The deer was roadkill.
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Re: I Changed My Mind On The Sig 938

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I'm not shooting hard cast, I use a federal TCFN. I don't remember the weight.

But I did penetration test it against the 9mm Gold Dots I carry. both bullets land in the same water jug. I haven't had the opportunity to test on roadkill. Yet. And I don't have heavy hard cast loads for my 380. I don't load ammo for it.
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Re: I Changed My Mind On The Sig 938

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That’s not what I carry either.
This is what I carry.
https://precisiononeammunition.com/prod ... new-50rds/
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Re: I Changed My Mind On The Sig 938

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BLAINE -- you made a good choice with the Sig 365, I owned one for a while but traded it for the Glock 43X (unrepentant Glock fanboy) . As far as ammo, I always carry the same ammo that my LE Agency uses, 124gr. +P 9mm Gold Dot. If I ever have to use a weapon for self-defense no predatory prosecutor can accuse me of using some hyper-sonic, deep penetrating hollow-point "man-killer" or "zombie" ammunition.

As far as the .380ACP, I understand the appeal, but it's not for me. My bottom limit is a .38spl +P, and I think the 9mm is the better choice--buy hey, that's simply my opinion... :)
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Re: I Changed My Mind On The Sig 938

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Tue Jan 14, 2020 8:20 pm
BLAINE -- you made a good choice with the Sig 365, I owned one for a while but traded it for the Glock 43X (unrepentant Glock fanboy) . As far as ammo, I always carry the same ammo that my LE Agency uses, 124gr. +P 9mm Gold Dot. If I ever have to use a weapon for self-defense no predatory prosecutor can accuse me of using some hyper-sonic, deep penetrating hollow-point "man-killer" or "zombie" ammunition.

As far as the .380ACP, I understand the appeal, but it's not for me. My bottom limit is a .38spl +P, and I think the 9mm is the better choice--buy hey, that's simply my opinion... :)
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