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#1 Post by Grizz » Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:58 am

this topic is pretty common. I didn't feel like I adequately expressed my view last time, so this a codicil of sorts. feel free to pick this apart with better proposals if you have them.

the 12 ga is the one I carry thru Canada by boat and vehicle. notice that it does not get any handier with a birdshead grip, because the trigger to muzzle length stays the same. I lined up the triggers to make this point. Besides, the birdshead is the most painful way to shoot a 12ga that I've found. It assaults all the joints in my hand and wrist.

the AR cannot go thru canada, but it is my main choice in the house because of the common home invasion scenario faced by people in the region I live in. it has more firepower, more controllability, and less danger of overpenetration than either of the other two. when I get the green laser mounted on to the gas block, it will be totally accurate without necessity of any special sighting procedures, will be as accurate from the hip as from any other hold. I might install a shorer buffer tube, although this one is perfect for a cheek weld if I'm using the sights.

the little rascal is always on me, but it will run dry as fast as the shotgun does.

I haven't found any real problems with the AR scenario, but maybe you have some I should think about... Adios Shooters
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#2 Post by Sixgun Sr » Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:36 pm

Grizz....there's one thing I can talk about with a lifetime of constant experience to back it up (no brag, fact) and that's experienceing and shooting tens of thousands of rounds out out most every conceivable small arms made from the 1870's to now.

We are talking home defense in any scenario.

Forget the manaually operated guns...too slow and not enough capacity.

Today's AR's are a world of difference from old school Sporter 1 AR's....Today's AR's are very reliable ..our military operations prove that.

There are TWO guns with high capacity that are more (hard to believe) reliable than the best of AR's.

AK-47's and SKS's.......in my experience AR's can be a bummer with a stuck cartridge in the chamber. Most always it can be attributed to a faulty cartridge or a piece of debris in the action. To clear a stuck round you have to bang the butt stock HARD on the ground to get the faulty cartridge out.

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#3 Post by Tycer » Wed Nov 06, 2019 12:59 pm

I agree with your choice.
Each home is different and each room where you might have to begin defense is different. Whether or not you have loved ones you need to move towards also adds complexity. Your choice of arms might well be different on each of the above. One item that I don’t think varies is the choice must be able to be used one handed. Whether you have a child in one hand or an injury, etc. The choice should also be useful on your back, side or stomach. The possibility of multiple targets is increasingly probable so being able to add multiple rounds at once is something to consider.
The ar would be an acceptable choice in many places.
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#4 Post by OldWin » Wed Nov 06, 2019 2:25 pm

I agree.
I have a Glock 21SF with a TLR-1 that sits on the nightstand.
In the closet, I have a 10.5" AR pistol with an SB3 brace, a surefire G2LED, and an Aimpoint T1 chambered in 300BO..
As stated above, the AR of today is not the AR of 25 years ago. I was an AR hater back in the day, but things change. As much as I revere the AK, it is not as user friendly or open to as good of sighting options.
As far as reliability, the average AK available to us in the US today is NOT as reliable as a well built AR. Because of the import laws of the last 25 years, most are built from parts kits of questionable quality to questionable standards. A good quality AK is hard to find and very expensive nowadays.
I also feel there is a much better bullet choice for the 300BO in terms of defense when compared to 7.62x39.
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#5 Post by GunnyMack » Wed Nov 06, 2019 2:33 pm

See now I'm on the other side of the fence, Browning BPS 10 ga with buckshot( only because there isn't room for it in the safe) or my 870. There's been enough movies that portray the sound of a shufflegun that everybody KNOWS bad juju is about to happen!
To opt for single handed use then it's by all means my Benelli M1 Super 90 stoked with either #2 steel shot or 4 buck. Steel probably wont go through 2 layers of sheetrock.
I used to have a recurring dream, guy got into the house , took a load of buckshot and with his dying breath he says ' all I wanted was a glass of water'
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#6 Post by Grizz » Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:15 pm

Thanks Guys, good responses. I'll hunt up an SKS too. I have a 300BO pistol as well, but I like the 556 for my current situation. It's the one on top.

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#7 Post by Catshooter » Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:51 pm

One thing about firing a weapon in the house, especially short ones is their loud. My 10.5 AR pistol wears a suppressor that makes it still about three inches shorter than a 16" AR.

I'm a really big fan of silencers.


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#8 Post by AJMD429 » Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:21 pm

GunnyMack wrote:
Wed Nov 06, 2019 2:33 pm
See now I'm on the other side of the fence, Browning BPS 10 ga with buckshot( only because there isn't room for it in the safe) or my 870.
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At one time THIS was the one that stayed out to play, because it was too darned FAT to fit in the gun safe.... :D

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The Striker is as heavy as a Garand, so not much recoil, and holds twelve rounds; the gaping 12-gauge hole in the muzzle would probably make most intruders slip on their own feces in their rush to leave the area... :lol: I actually had a pair of them (one folder, one straight) and regret that my wife and I didn't put our hibilly-teeth in and get a photo brandishing them together.... :twisted:
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#9 Post by Tycer » Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:22 am

I know you guys who talk of scaring intruders with sounds or large barrels are just joking but keep in mind there may be people who take you seriously. The last thing one should do is give felonious intruders posing an immediate threat of grave bodily harm or death any opportunity to shoot you or move to cover so they can kill you. In that situation surely the surprise of a well placed round could be an ally.
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#10 Post by Grizz » Thu Nov 07, 2019 10:30 am

to Tycer's point, I can and do flank my front door, so if unknown persons show up at it, meaning they have failed the iff, I have them on their flank with a safe free fire zone behind them. Just in Case . . . the Unthinkable . . .

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#11 Post by marlinman93 » Thu Nov 07, 2019 12:45 pm

My house guns have always been handguns, and reliable handguns. If I decide to use a gun as a home defense gun it has to have a long history of shooting with no feed or cycling issues. Once I've had it long enough to be comfortable it gets elevated to home defense, or carry gun.
But I don't rely on just one gun for home defense. It's too easy to be surprised when you're not near that one gun, and I don't carry a gun inside the house unless I just got in the door. I keep numerous handguns in hidden storage so that almost anywhere I might need I have one within seconds.
Last thing I want to do is be surprised, and then get past some bad guy to try to get to that one gun I need.
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#12 Post by marlinman93 » Thu Nov 07, 2019 12:46 pm

Tycer wrote:
Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:22 am
I know you guys who talk of scaring intruders with sounds or large barrels are just joking but keep in mind there may be people who take you seriously. The last thing one should do is give felonious intruders posing an immediate threat of grave bodily harm or death any opportunity to shoot you or move to cover so they can kill you. In that situation surely the surprise of a well placed round could be an ally.
I think most intruders are more surprised when they're suddenly shot.
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#13 Post by piller » Thu Nov 07, 2019 1:19 pm

I have several 850 lumen or more flashlights around the house. A .357 revolver or a 9mm semiauto and a flashlight that is painful to look directly into are readily available when I am home. The light cannon should give me the time to decide if I need to stop a threat or if the situation can be handled with lesser methods. Some of the flashlights are over 2,000 lumens. I can close my eyes and turn those lights on and see some large or dark objects in the dark using those lights. Not well of course, but they are so bright that even through your closed eyes a lot of light is seen. I am willing to defend myself and my family without hesitation, BUT I would like to make sure that I am not about to put bullets into someone who I shouldn't do it to.

Tractor Supply and other farm supply stores often carry flashlights that are 1,000 lumens or more for $30 or less. Even shining these on the wall 10 feet away to check function can make you see after image spots for a few minutes.
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#14 Post by ethang » Thu Nov 07, 2019 1:42 pm

Catshooter touched on the matter of noise if you actually need to shoot in the house.. One thing you might want to seriously consider is a pair of Electronic ear muffs stored with any home defense weapon/flashlight combo. Much cheaper than a suppressor and gives the added benefit of amplifying sound.

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#15 Post by piller » Thu Nov 07, 2019 2:04 pm

I mentioned that on another thread. I do keep electronic muffs around. A good idea is to get a battery tester and replace the batteries when they fall below about 1.1 volts, more or less, due to the lowered effectiveness at that point. I used Kirkland batteries from Costco for a while. They were more trouble than the initial lower cost was worth. Kirkland batteries would fail unexpextedly, or leak and corrode whatever I had them in. I tried them for about a year due to the appearance of a great value. When I had to replace a few items because of battery leakage and subsequent corrosion, I was able to convince PillHer that I could buy Energizer or RayOvac or Duracell and save money in the long run. Those 3 brands have not failed me. Since switching to the better quality batteries, my battery operated electronics have worked better and none have suffered catastrophic damage caused by battery leakage.
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#16 Post by AJMD429 » Thu Nov 07, 2019 2:20 pm

marlinman93 wrote:
Thu Nov 07, 2019 12:46 pm
I think most intruders are more surprised when they're suddenly shot.
That's the way I'd surprise them, myself...
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#17 Post by GunnyMack » Thu Nov 07, 2019 2:37 pm

Stay away from Duracell in the black packaging- just bought a pack, opened it and half were corroded!
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#18 Post by Dave James » Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:11 am

For years when kids where home I kept, a Second Chance fag bag with the pull out ballistic apron hanging on the bed post, had an old mag light and a set of ears attached to it, pistol was an old S&W 44 triple lock loaded with what where though to be great man stoppers " hard cast wadcutters, full flat "

now a days its just the "not a shotgun" with brace in 20ga first round out will be heavy duck load, every thong else is buck
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#19 Post by piller » Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:18 am

AJMD429 wrote:
Thu Nov 07, 2019 2:20 pm
marlinman93 wrote:
Thu Nov 07, 2019 12:46 pm
I think most intruders are more surprised when they're suddenly shot.
That's the way I'd surprise them, myself...
Doc, you live outside of the city. Most likely, anyone in your house at night would be there for nefarious purposes. Shooting them without giving them a chance to attack would seem logical under your circumstances.
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#20 Post by Grizz » Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:34 am

I am willing to defend myself and my family without hesitation, BUT I would like to make sure that I am not about to put bullets into someone who I shouldn't do it to.
This is why family and friends are instructed to call before getting to my front door, which is the fence door on the street. That way they are not subject to seeing me running outside with light and gun in hand, scantilly clad, to see what all the commotion is about..... something that cannot be unseen... :lol:

The people allowed in without challenge are the same people whose phone numbers are in my phone, and whose call I will answer. Calls from numbers I don't know are blocked.

It's not that I am creepy mean, it is that the society I live in is creepy mean, and I have enacted policies and procedures to protect the ones I love. IFF

There is another procedure for any unknown knocking on the gate

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#21 Post by claybob86 » Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:07 am

As for the batteries, I like the lithiums. They have a very long shelf life and I haven't had any leak or corrode yet.
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#22 Post by Tycer » Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:09 am

piller wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 10:18 am
AJMD429 wrote:
Thu Nov 07, 2019 2:20 pm
marlinman93 wrote:
Thu Nov 07, 2019 12:46 pm
I think most intruders are more surprised when they're suddenly shot.
That's the way I'd surprise them, myself...
Doc, you live outside of the city. Most likely, anyone in your house at night would be there for nefarious purposes. Shooting them without giving them a chance to attack would seem logical under your circumstances.
I can’t see how it matters where one lives. If someone is in your home and you have a reasonable fear of immediate grave bodily harm or death from them and you know your target and what’s beyond you’re not going to be harming the innocent. Blindly shooting an unknown shadow, IMO, is dangerous, immoral and has a great probability of landing you in prison.
The surprise is still preferable IMO.
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#23 Post by marlinman93 » Fri Nov 08, 2019 2:07 pm

Tycer wrote:
Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:09 am
I can’t see how it matters where one lives. If someone is in your home and you have a reasonable fear of immediate grave bodily harm or death from them and you know your target and what’s beyond you’re not going to be harming the innocent. Blindly shooting an unknown shadow, IMO, is dangerous, immoral and has a great probability of landing you in prison.
The surprise is still preferable IMO.
I couldn't agree more. I know anyone who comes into my house at wee hours is not friend or family. Even my kids knock when they get to the door. I'm not going to give any intruder a warning, and a chance for them to fire first. I doubt if they see me they're going to give me a warning.
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#24 Post by Blaine » Fri Nov 08, 2019 2:23 pm

I hope some of you have time to slip on your ear protection...
Standard pressure .45acp 230s are pretty quiet compared to some of those rounds you guys are talking about, and very effective.
Some will argue that one's hearing is secondary to safety, but IMO, you can have both. Any braggart can shoot 10s of thousands of rounds of everything, but it's going to be just that one shot and the mindset behind it that saves your life. Paper and steel don't tremble or shoot back. :lol:
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#25 Post by piller » Fri Nov 08, 2019 4:05 pm

My son lives at home and works nights. Sometimes he gets called in for O.T. and I don't know it until I hear him come home at 2 or 3 AM. I don't always hear his car in the drive.
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