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#1 Post by AJMD429 » Thu Oct 31, 2019 10:12 pm

Pew-pew doesn't seem to like them, versus the AR-10.

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I like the M1A over the AR-10, but the AR-15 over the Mini-14....I guess because the smaller frame version isn't as messed up by the bulkier pistol grip and magazine well. AR-10's just seem too big and ungainly, versus the M1A is big, but carries more like a rifle should (to me).
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#2 Post by OldWin » Thu Oct 31, 2019 10:25 pm

I just watched that today. Weird.
Don't know if the new ones are like that, but both of mine shoot better than that.
My full size is a standard from about 1994 (full of usgi parts). I've got better groups than that at 200yds.
I also have an early Scout Squad from 2001 that is a great shooter. I love the M14/M1A. I don't think it gets a fair shake.
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#3 Post by AJMD429 » Fri Nov 01, 2019 6:14 am

OldWin wrote:
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I just watched that today. Weird.
Don't know if the new ones are like that, but both of mine shoot better than that.
My full size is a standard from about 1994 (full of usgi parts). I've got better groups than that at 200yds.
I also have an early Scout Squad from 2001 that is a great shooter. I love the M14/M1A. I don't think it gets a fair shake.
That's funny - I think my Scout Squad is from around 1994, and my Full Size 'Loaded' one is from 2001....but likewise, both shoot plenty well enough for me. If my life depended on 'one shot' from a 308, I'd have my Savage heavy-barrel bolt action in its Choate stock, but if I had to face human aggressors I'd not hesitate to grab either of the M1A's.
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#4 Post by COSteve » Fri Nov 01, 2019 7:41 am

Love my M1A because it's like my Basic Training M14 that was the first ever peep sighted rifle I'd shot and after I got use to it, I could hit anything with it. Perfect combination of weight, balance, capacity, firepower, and range for my 147lb frame (some 52 years and more than a few lbs ago).

Yes, I also have M1 Garands and M1 Carbines as well and they do fine as historical pieces and are fun to shoot. In a nod to the terrible M16A1 I had later in the Army, I also have a couple of ARs; a mid gas carbine and an A4 which I grudgingly bought as my son liked them but they are no better than the M16 so I never use them myself.

What I really like in 5.56, is my newer Mini14 set up like a Mini M14 and it's got the same feel, fit, and balance as my M1A. Accuracy is as good as my M1A; some 1.25MOA out at 200yds so with it's superior feel and balance to the AR carbine, I use it every chance I get.

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#5 Post by 2ndovc » Fri Nov 01, 2019 10:07 am

Never had a problem with the accuracy from my M1As. The heavy barreled National Match I had before these two never had any issues hitting the 600 yd. targets at Camp Perry.

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I like my ARs but for me the AR-10s don't fit as well. Plus growing up shooting M1s and M1 Carbines may have been a bit of an influence.

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#6 Post by piller » Fri Nov 01, 2019 10:32 am

Never shot an M1, but I have a Mini 30. OK, the Mini 30 is a lot less accurate than the M1 but it still feels like a rifle. From a cold barrel and open sights, my Mini 30 can group within 3 inches at 100 yards. The best groups come with handloads of 123-125 grain bullets at .308 diameter. The .311 diameter work fine in my Mini 30, but they are not quite as accurate. I cannot tell the difference between 123 and 125 grain bullets in it. With JSP bullets I do not feel undergunned for deer or medium sized wild pigs. Maybe a Har-Bar or some such device would improve the accuracy. Maybe it would not be worth the cost.
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#7 Post by Old Savage » Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:20 pm

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#8 Post by jeepnik » Fri Nov 01, 2019 12:45 pm

My go to for a semi auto rifle is a Scout Squad. Socom's have too short a barrel, and even though I liked it the M-14 always felt "long" to me.
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#9 Post by M. M. Wright » Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:18 pm

I trained with the M1, got switched over to the M14 and then to the M1 carbine, (actually I was issued an M2) but as a civilian I discovered the FAL. I still have an M1 Garand and a couple of ARs but when the feces hits the wind machine I'll grab my old Rhodie FAL. I should spend the money and put real wood on it. They really look grand with good wood.
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#10 Post by kaschi » Fri Nov 01, 2019 9:24 pm

An M1A is on my must have list and based on what I've been reading, James River Armory makes a really good one (its receiver being a forged one rather than a cast one). Who's had experiences with these?

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#11 Post by 6pt-sika » Fri Nov 01, 2019 9:40 pm

I don’t use AR’s as most folks do mine are set up for deer and paper from the bench . And OF COURSE they need to be scoped . So my gunsmith buddy has one of the loaded M1A’s that’s also set up with a scope . I’ve shot his plenty and the thing is pretty decent with factory . BUT he has the check rest elevator kinda thing so his head is on the stock when he pulls the trigger and it works okay and again BUT when you put your face on that wide thing it’s almost like your face is flat on a shelf . So as you might surmise by now the M1A has not endeared itself to me with what you need to do to it to suit me .
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#12 Post by AJMD429 » Fri Nov 01, 2019 9:48 pm

kaschi wrote:
Fri Nov 01, 2019 9:24 pm
An M1A is on my must have list and based on what I've been reading, James River Armory makes a really good one (its receiver being a forged one rather than a cast one). Who's had experiences with these?
No, but a competitive shooter I met years ago used one from these guys and loved it:

https://www.fulton-armory.com/M14-M1A.aspx
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#13 Post by Sixgun Sr » Fri Nov 01, 2019 10:57 pm

Great looking gun, reliable and semi accurate......It's a battle rifle, period. that's why they aren't in the news anymore. Any good AR will outshoot them every time. Your just not gonna find an M1-A that shoots MOA consistently.....maybe 1 and 1/2 to 2 moa..and that's the Super Match with the 1-10 twist. National Matches are 2-3 moa. Yes....exceptions to every rule but I shot enough of them along with my buds and that's what they do.

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#14 Post by jeepnik » Sat Nov 02, 2019 9:32 am

As to whether an AR is more accurate than the M1A it likely depends on the individual firearm. But AR’s have reliability issues. For paper punching they’re fine. For anything more serious I want a larger caliber in a more reliable platform.
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#15 Post by piller » Sat Nov 02, 2019 11:08 am

Any firearm can have reliability issues if the owner doesn't clean it properly, or if something is worn out. Using the wrong ammunition is a potential issue. Gas operated firearms usually do not do well with low power loads. As far as reliability of the AR platform, it is extremely reliable in the Military setup. The AR 15 with the 5.56 caliber is reliable. Changing things may cause issues. If you want to branch out from the mainstream, just be willing to work with your firearm in case it needs adjustments. One good thing about the AR is that it has a lot of available parts so that you can make things work. The adjustable gas blocks can cure a lot of ills in an AR.
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#16 Post by COSteve » Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:16 pm

Sixgun Sr wrote:
Fri Nov 01, 2019 10:57 pm
Great looking gun, reliable and semi accurate......It's a battle rifle, period. that's why they aren't in the news anymore. Any good AR will outshoot them every time. Your just not gonna find an M1-A that shoots MOA consistently.....maybe 1 and 1/2 to 2 moa..and that's the Super Match with the 1-10 twist. National Matches are 2-3 moa. Yes....exceptions to every rule but I shot enough of them along with my buds and that's what they do.

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That's true, however, for many of us there is more to owning a rifle than just it's pure accuracy. Yes, I also have a couple of ARs but like the M16 I had in RVN, I don't like them. Plastic and aluminum toys to me. They rattle, they 'sproing', they clunk and their huge receiver and awkward controls compared to a conventional rifle; you can keep them. Give me walnut and steel any day.

To demonstrate my tastes, I couldn't stand the way my 400yd + apple shooter AR felt so I 'tweaked' it to feel a bit better. Still too big and clunky but at least now it doesn't have that plastic feel. Yep, that's real walnut furniture and pistol grip.

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Yes, both my M1A and Mini M14 aren't as accurate as the AR; the M1A in part because of the caliber, but they are much more than just accurate. They have soul and the AR doesn't.
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#17 Post by AJMD429 » Sat Nov 02, 2019 9:30 pm

M-1A & Mini-14 & 1911 = classics
AR-10 & AR-15 & Glock = tools

I have one of each, and they all have pros and cons. My pick of 'rifle, carbine, and pistol' would be:

M-1A & AR-15 & 1911
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#18 Post by wolfdog » Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:38 am

I have only shot an M1A one time. A buddies Loaded with a Springfield badged I believe 4-16 scope shooting Gold Medal Match. I had no problems hitting steel torsos out to 800 yards from a bench from a bag rest. His could be an exception but is my only hands on experience shooting one.

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