Alzheimer's and euthanasia

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Alzheimer's and euthanasia

#1 Post by Bill in Oregon » Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:35 am

I will say right up front that the Dutch approach to euthanasia gives me the willies -- and I lived most of my life in the first right-to-die state, Oregon.
That said, it took 12 years for Alzheimer's to destroy my mother, who did not even know my name for the last 10 years -- a whole decade.
If I develop dementia, I don't want to continue, don't want to be a drooling shell of a human, don't want to be a burden to anyone. So the course the doctor took in this case is frankly just fine with me. If I were unable to take matters into my own hands, I believe this would be a blessing.
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#2 Post by gcs » Wed Sep 11, 2019 9:14 am

I hear ya.... watched my mom wither away for almost 10 years, she didn't have alzheimers but a rare progressive "palsy", with dementia.
Seeing her like that was horrible, no quality of life, just a shell sitting in her own waste... makes you wonder what to do if it happens to you....

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Re: Alzheimer's and euthanasia

#3 Post by stretch » Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:10 am

I think the Dutch largely have the right idea. A living will, years of conversations with the family
and other medical professionals - I personally think the doc did the morally correct and compassionate
thing in this case.

If we have an ailing, terminally ill pet in pain - no problem. Yet if we have an ailing, suffering,
loved one, we're not allowed to intercede - even if the ailing, suffering loved one has requested
that someone help to put an end to their misery. We instead put them through suffering that we
wouldn't - and aren't legally allowed - to put a terrorist through. And yet we trumpet the right
of the individual in this nation.

And again - it's a choice. No living will? The patient hasn't clearly expressed a desire to end the suffering
in front of multiple authorities and witnesses on multiple occasions? Can't do it. I think that there are
plenty of safeguards in place, and it IS an individual choice.

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Re: Alzheimer's and euthanasia

#4 Post by Grizz » Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:22 am

I am stuck at "I shall not commit murder" . . . .

I have a small sailboat I call my hospice camp. I hope I will be able to time my last voyage to coincide with my last days, which I wish that NO ONE would see or participate in . . . , and die of natural causes, a spec on the ocean....

not something I can recommend to anyone, but gets around the murder issue, so that none of my loved ones will be burdened with either problem ...

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#5 Post by Bill in Oregon » Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:38 pm

Grizz, the Inuit would put their elderly infirm on an ice floe, and watch it slowly disappear. I think this is far more merciful than watching someone slowly strangle, intubated, in ICU as my father did.

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#6 Post by Sixgun Jr » Wed Sep 11, 2019 1:26 pm

Everybody that I know of in my gene family died "good deaths".....here today...gone tomorrow......

I know (knew) a doctor who, after receiving confirmation of an aggressive form of Alzheimer's, climbed into his favorite deer hunting tree stand and used his favorite .270.

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Re: Alzheimer's and euthanasia

#7 Post by jeepnik » Wed Sep 11, 2019 1:27 pm

One way or another when it’s time I’m going home.
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Re: Alzheimer's and euthanasia

#8 Post by Tycer » Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:28 pm

Just don’t leave a mess for someone to have to clean up.
Don’t trash your face. Don’t let it be a surprise. Those of you who are first responders know what I mean.
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Re: Alzheimer's and euthanasia

#9 Post by jeepnik » Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:49 pm

Yep been there seen that. I like Grizz’ idea.
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Re: Alzheimer's and euthanasia

#10 Post by Pete44ru » Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:55 pm

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I used the EASY button, and have a written/notarized "do not resuscitate" directive entered into all my medical records. 8)

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#11 Post by AJMD429 » Wed Sep 11, 2019 3:40 pm

Tycer wrote:
Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:28 pm
Just don’t leave a mess for someone to have to clean up. Don’t trash your face. Don’t let it be a surprise.

Those of you who are first responders know what I mean...
Or worse yet....relatives (who find you).....
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Re: Alzheimer's and euthanasia

#12 Post by piller » Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:42 pm

About a month ago I was sure glad I didn't have a DNR order. If I had, I wouldn't be here today.
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Re: Alzheimer's and euthanasia

#13 Post by mark » Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:57 am

My mother had a stroke four years ago.

The stroke paralyzed one half of her body.

She didn't have Alzheimer, although speech was a problem.

My mother was in a nursing home, she didn't want to be there.

She died at ninety three years of age.

It was a merciful release.

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Re: Alzheimer's and euthanasia

#14 Post by horsesoldier2019 » Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:03 am

I had a relative with a DNR that died while choking on a piece of food. The providers literally just watched her and did nothing. I can’t support a DNR because it is contingent on the common sense of the providers.

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