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Re: The Gun Room

#1801 Post by OldWin » Tue Jan 07, 2020 2:26 pm

It's true Six! I'd never forgive you for letting a nice condition old YJ waste away. But I know you're too much of a "Jeep guy" to do that.

Oh! And a shout out to OS for keeping our little corner of the interweb safe and secure for our shenanigans.
Thanks old buddy!

Just swilled down some coffee. Gonna head across the lawn to the old man's and see what trouble he got in today. Must be getting ready to put the ice shack up to the lake.
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#1802 Post by OldWin » Tue Jan 07, 2020 2:28 pm

Hey! Chalk one up for Old Win! Guess that's a "New Win" for "Old Win". :D
I'll take Six's YJ. :D
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#1803 Post by harry » Tue Jan 07, 2020 3:22 pm

My old but sound 1975 CJ5 with the 5L , it was rhino lined in about 1990.
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#1804 Post by Sixgun Sr » Tue Jan 07, 2020 5:37 pm

OK...OK.. Old Win was due for a win for being number one.

I AWARD YOU HARRY'S RHINO LINED C-J!!!!!!!!!! As you both come from frost bite land, it'll be easy for Harry to drive it through the northern routes for delivery.....GO HARRY! Your a generous guy!


You should have seen the mess I had today......had Ole Yeller hooked up to the trailer with all the stumps.....drove out to the back pasture to the "stump cemetery"....I was backing up the Jeep and trying to position the trailer near where the other stumps were and I felt something funny in the drive train.....engine was racing but I wasn't going anywhere......buried the trailer and the Jeep at least a foot down...not quite up to the axles but 3/4 of the way.

Low range 4 wd wasn't taking me anywhere even with the Goodyear mud terrains......walked back to the barn and got the mighty Kubota.....at least I was able to keep the mighty Kubota on somewhat dry soil while pulling........did not expect much........put a nylon strap to the hooks on the front of the Jeep and the trailer ball on the mighty Kubota...low range, 4 wd and the mighty Kubota pulled out the Jeep and the loaded trailer.......

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#1805 Post by Sixgun Sr » Tue Jan 07, 2020 5:41 pm

Geeze..took another look at Harry's Jeep.....never saw rhino lining on the outside....that baby will last forever.--6
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#1806 Post by fordwannabe » Tue Jan 07, 2020 5:46 pm

Hey guys! Just checking in. I was sent to Chambersburg today on an investigation and it has snowed since 11 am.
I have been watching this post but not much to say so I kept my mouth shut. Last night one of the legs called he had sold me a couple Hawes revolvers in the past and he just got this one in but it needs work blah blah. 357 with adjustable sights soooo. It was cheap enough but needed a cylinder bushing and a cylinder pin BOTH OF WHICH I had in my revolver box. Fit them up and I like it t for now.
I don’t usually keep them that long but they are fun for a little while and then somebody NEEDS a single action and it goes down the road. I did get to cast some bullets last weekend with my new to me NOE 265 grain .434 mold has three sets of pins do, hp, and DEVISTATOR HP.
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#1807 Post by OldWin » Tue Jan 07, 2020 5:50 pm

Nice!
CJ-5's rock! My first Jeep was a 59 CJ-5. I just love em.

Holy smokes Six! That was a mess. Glad you got it out ok. I hate mud. Makes a mess. We do mostly technical type wheeling and rocks nowadays.
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#1808 Post by GunnyMack » Tue Jan 07, 2020 5:58 pm

Congrats to Buffalope Jay!

I had a feeling there was a Russian game developer watching me all day- thanks Fred for chasing them away!

It was Pat McManus that wrote something about ' you go as far as you can in 2wd, then into 4wd THEN into low range just in time to bury it up to the axles' or some such.

I say we put Ol Yeller on tracks, that way when you are up to your hips in snow you will still be able to go buy 22s when no one else can get out ! :lol:

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#1809 Post by Sixgun Sr » Tue Jan 07, 2020 7:12 pm

Wow! Lots of action going on...Tom is back in town just in time to see Jay win Harry's Jeep.....funny thing...where's Harry??? Sure hope we don't have to call him an Indian giver....Jay deserves the CJ.

Gunny has sore knees????well, just go pay a Hollywood star for a pair of knee pads...seems like that's all they do.

Yea......good 'ole Old Savage...doing a thankless job keeping away the weirdos and it's not as if he's making a mint doing it.....other than the prestigious green ink.

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#1810 Post by Griff » Tue Jan 07, 2020 8:01 pm

And here I was outside in a t-shirt piling up a new set of trees I, (er, my son), took down from around the barn. One more to go in front, then 3 or 4 more on the back side.

This shoulda got posted lat nite... guess you actually have to push the button.
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#1811 Post by Old Savage » Tue Jan 07, 2020 8:32 pm

Have to get a 40 S&W.
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#1812 Post by Griff » Tue Jan 07, 2020 8:55 pm

Old Savage wrote:
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Have to get a 40 S&W.
My son has one in a STI "Edge". Very nice double stack 2011, and a quite fun cartridge. I'd like to talk him into getting one for me too! :o
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#1813 Post by Sixgun Sr » Tue Jan 07, 2020 9:41 pm

Old Savage....stay with a nine....more capacity, easier to shoot and with the new 9 ammo, it's just as effective...at least that's what I've read.....my bud down at Targetmaster says guns in 40 are not selling anymore......if someone trades one in they don't get much........

I've never owned a 40 but I have many 40 caliber guns....38-40, 40-82, 40-65, 40-million, 40-62,000.......---6
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#1814 Post by Old Savage » Tue Jan 07, 2020 10:10 pm

Six, I try to be able to use any ammo, main motivation here. Good price.
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#1815 Post by fordwannabe » Tue Jan 07, 2020 10:35 pm

Two posts in one day!
My bud that works At Cabelas in Hamburg says they won’t even take a 40 on trade right now! That said my EDC is a Glock 23 in40 and I like it for what it is. My other 40....is a Marlin 1894 that uses the same 40 cal 200 grain bullets38-40.
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#1816 Post by Sixgun Sr » Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:52 pm

Hey two poster...what's happening young man????...OK, enough of the niceties....let's get to business.......Harry needs to get on the ball and get the CJ delivered to my pal Jay.......see Tom?....if you posted more often you'd have the chance to be first on a page and win a Jeep like the Jayster did.

Maybe we can get Griff to deliver it if Harry is too cold in frost bite land.

Gunny getting his rest.....he'll need it with all the jack hammering he has to do. BIG day tomorrow Gunny...now get your PJ's on and into bed......grease up your caulking gun and have extra tubes all ready to go as I can't help you as I don't plan on getting up before 11 or so. ----Super Fly
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#1817 Post by OldWin » Wed Jan 08, 2020 1:02 am

Yeah! I'm not gonna lie.......I really need another CJ-5. It's been a long time. I find myself looking at em all the time.
Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't part with my TJ Rubicon, but I sure have a soft spot for the oldies.

I still got to get out and shoot that Flat Top. I was out oit shooting my Commander last Friday. I didn't take the Ruger cause the old man wants to shoot it too so I waited. I want him to shoot it first.
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#1818 Post by GunnyMack » Wed Jan 08, 2020 5:37 am

Jack hammering in done!
Today back to the greenhouse, the special order door is finally here. This door is only 5'6" tall, it had to be custom made and it's pricey-$1500.00! This greenhouse is on the porch roof of a log cabin. The door has to be hung in a log wall, open under the roof eve and clear a log rafter.

Email from Mauser (previous)owner , said it should be shipped today. If I'm lucky I'll see the new pet by the weekend- I'm not holding my breath.
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#1819 Post by Sixgun Sr » Wed Jan 08, 2020 10:31 am

Nice to see action.......$1500 for a door? I would have just put a 80" door on the table saw. .....wood, glass, metal....don't matter......the money saved would have bought a lot of Sierra Matchkings. .... ...or, like I do I the shooting shack..hang a tarp. Some people have too much money....

Jay.....CJ's and YJ's were and are JUNK......The ones on the road are still there because their owners babied them.....rust buckets......my YJ spent most of its life in the garage along with a yearly undercarriage paint job with a half dozen cans of flat black paint.....

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#1820 Post by Old Savage » Wed Jan 08, 2020 11:34 am

Same here, no golf today. Did you know a golf ball and a Colt SAA cylinder are about the same diameter?
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#1821 Post by Sixgun Sr » Wed Jan 08, 2020 12:34 pm

Dang Fred....that has to be the weirdest comparison I have even seen. Well, knowledge is power so the next time you run out of golf balls just pop a cylinder out of one of your Colts and use that. In fact the Ruger 32-20 cylinder would be good too as the extra weight will carry it further.

Went outside to feed the birds a package of rolls that went stale......have no idea how animals survive in this mess.

I'm headed down in the gunroom to see what I can get into.

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#1822 Post by Old Savage » Wed Jan 08, 2020 3:29 pm

Six, for the curious, here are some more measurements I have accumulated. The measurements are between the cylinders, cylinder outside walls and cylinder diameters.
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#1823 Post by GunnyMack » Wed Jan 08, 2020 3:40 pm

When I did my Single Six conversion from 32 to 44 I kept the original cylinder. Dont ya know the base pin hole had enough meat left for a 3/8 -16 tap to cut good threads so I turned it into a shift knob for my '88 YJ . When I sold it I told the guy I was keeping it. Dont know when I put it...
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#1824 Post by Sixgun Sr » Wed Jan 08, 2020 6:56 pm

Geeze Fred... that's a lot of measuring.....I always thought that cylinders were the same diameter regardless of the caliber...within specific frame/models....what I do know is that the model 27 Smith has a lot of meat around the holes...sometime about 25 years ago, I let loose a round with 14 grains of Unique instead of 7 grains...held tight...

Gunny......did you have to do anything special to tap the cylinder? I thought they were hardened......

Did Jay get Harry's Jeep yet?

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#1825 Post by GunnyMack » Thu Jan 09, 2020 5:40 am

No Six it took threads just fine. Here's the thing about hardened steel, if you can make a pass with a file and it cuts( files are HARD) then you can do whatever you want to it. If the file just skates across then it's probably too hard. What is more important than hardness is the composition of the steel. By making changes in the mix you can get wear resistance, toughness, ease of machining, etc by putting different elements in.
Free machining steel has lead in it- ya can't harden it! There is surface hardening, through hardening .
While opening the frame on the single six I ruined a new Nicholson OO Swiss file.

Ruger does investment casting of frames as we know, if you take a Ruger to an engraver they will most likely refuse to engrave your gun. Why you ask? Because the investment casting uses any and all kinds steels. It's hard as nails, soft as cotton and anywhere in between. They tear up their tools trying to cut it.

Well UPS didn't pick up the Mauser yesterday according to the UPS app... WTH!!

Ok now you are going to the Nationals- time to start training! You need to get a routine together! No more 1 am bed times, ya gotta start running every morning, more range time, meditation,yoga, ya know just like all those Olympians that have gone nowhere after their moment in the limelight! :lol:
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#1826 Post by Old Savage » Thu Jan 09, 2020 7:47 am

Well, a seat at NATIONALS :mrgreen:

Now you may recall a few years ago there was a discussion about relative revolver strength. So .. I began taking some measurements at least of mass to see what variations might exist especially in guns of known strength.

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#1827 Post by harry » Thu Jan 09, 2020 1:46 pm

Well we have a cool off coming next week, forecast is for -28 on Tuesday night with highs around -15 or so.
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#1828 Post by Griff » Thu Jan 09, 2020 2:32 pm

I'm with Sixgun, too cool and damp here to work outside. I should be organizing my bills for tax season, but... the TV beckons.
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#1829 Post by piller » Thu Jan 09, 2020 2:51 pm

Gunny, I like to watch Forged In Fire when I have free time. I have learned quite a bit about steel and working it from that show. Two things have really stood out. There are a bunch of different types of steel, and they are heat treated differently for the type of steel and the application. You obviously had to learn that for you to be able to work on guns. Springs are a different steel from the cylinders, and the heat treatment is different. Spring steel often makes good knives because it gets hard enough to hold an edge, but not so hard that it cannot be sharpened or that it is brittle. Soft steel can be case hardened and used where hardness and wear resistance are needed but it is not to be flexible. Steel is not just steel. The different metals added in to the mix make for significantly different levels of hardness, wear resistance, machineability, flexibility, corrosion resistance, fracture resistance, and a few other properties. The knowledge and ability to work with steel and have the end product come out in a useful form is why cheap and good steel are rarely the same thing. Sort of like why Anesthesiologists get paid so much. Anyone can learn to give you the gas and knock you out. Not very many can keep you alive to wake up when the surgery is over. You are paying the cost to wake up alive. Like with a gunsmith. You are paying the cost for the gun to work and not blow up on you.
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#1830 Post by Sixgun Sr » Thu Jan 09, 2020 3:59 pm

Well...i learn something new everyday...thank you Gunny for metal working 101.....I like doing basic no brainer gunsmithing and have been confused working with different types of steel.....OK, I'm learning but you know the old saying, "a little knowledge is dangerous" or something like that.........that reminds me....I think I'll take the propane flame thrower and heat up a Ruger single action to see if I can soften up the steel so I can test my engraving skills. I use a 32 ounce ball peen hammer and a railroad spike that's sharpened for the fine line stuff.

Yea....I'm pumped about the Nationals and at one time I would be starting my training 6 months in advance......but I'm old and don't care anymore.....proving myself is in my past and I do know if I put my mind to it, I'd come in the top 20% ....and that's using antique rifles and cast bullets but the enthusiasm and drive are out of my life so I'll go there, bs with people, have a good time, show off my cool iron, take pictures, tell lies, and consider this the last big competitive match of my life .....been there and done that at many State Champs, Regional matches and other big get togethers......it's really a lot of work, energy expended, determined focus, and cost.

Now you guys know why that while at deer camp, the old guys go out for an hour and come back to the cabin. I'm tired, old, no-reason-to-prove-myself, and have come to realize that I'm just an incurable F. off.-----6
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#1831 Post by Sixgun Sr » Thu Jan 09, 2020 4:14 pm

On to a happy post......got a call several hours ago......buddy of mine on his way over......wife answered the phone and took the message.....got dressed, around noon and walked outside just as my buddy was backing down the driveway, complete with his tools of the trade......he is a tree surgeon and stump grinder.

He says to me, "whoa, you've been working!" Sure got a lot of those stumps out....I'm here to finish things up for you." He did in an hour what it would have taken me 3-4 days of back breaking work. He knocked out 2 Locust stumps so now I only have one left...a monster 4' maple......which he said he'd be back to do.....but I'll probably do it my way...axes, fire, and the mighty Kubota.---6

Had his crew with him too. He refused money and got mad at me when I tried to pay him....but he finally accepted enough to buy him and his crew lunch...good guy.
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#1832 Post by GunnyMack » Thu Jan 09, 2020 4:51 pm

You are right Piller- I was just trying to give Six some basic info.
Yes we had to learn about metallurgy. How to harden, temper, Make flat springs- that was fun. Each time a guy would compress a hand forged, polished, fitted spring you could see the beads of sweat break out on his face, if it didnt break the whole building would sigh in relief! Happily mine worked the first time!! :D we had to forge out chisels, harden & temper, had to make a lot of our tools. Good times !

Ups tracking says '1st attempt made' - how is a gunship NOT open for deliveries ?!?! :evil:
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#1833 Post by Old Savage » Thu Jan 09, 2020 9:10 pm

UPS and USPS can and wiil do that for their own convenience.
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#1834 Post by Sixgun Sr » Thu Jan 09, 2020 11:23 pm

Gunny....yea, watch those delivery people and stay on top of it......we need you to get this gun, especially me as I plan on winning page 38 and I get to choose the prize.....

I'm writing this at 11:10 and in a few hours you will get a good laugh while sipping your Black Rifle Coffee.

Hey, what's with Pitchy? He started a new thread about some people who think they are better than anyone else. I wonder if it's us. Of course he did add some smiley faces and lots of "laughs". :D I call this Gun Room thread a "thread of convenience" as who wants to make a separate post on every stupid thing we do? I don't get it....this thread is for everyone who wants to get involved talking about brainless happenings without making a new headline title.

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#1835 Post by OldWin » Fri Jan 10, 2020 1:41 am

I agree.

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#1836 Post by GunnyMack » Fri Jan 10, 2020 5:35 am

I look at a lot of the posts by the other members. Sometimes I make a reply but usually I don't. Sometimes I don't have the time, sometimes I don't have anything useful to say, but I read them.
Yeah sure this post is just for us knuckle dragging, animal skin wearing , blabbering gun nuts that just want to talk about nothing. With that said -
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I sure wish Trump would repeal daylight savings! I wake up without an alarm but gee wiz I'm tired of 0400!!!! :lol:
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When I set up the delivery to my local shop the owner said one of his employees went home with the flu- sure hope the whole staff didn't get it , that might explain why it wasn't delivered...
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#1837 Post by Old Savage » Fri Jan 10, 2020 10:54 am

Thread of convenience, I like the concept.

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#1838 Post by Old Savage » Fri Jan 10, 2020 10:55 am

The bottom is pretty.
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#1839 Post by harry » Fri Jan 10, 2020 11:03 am

Old Savage wrote:
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The bottom is pretty.
And now we have old savage perfecting the process of stove top color casing steel. :D
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#1840 Post by Sixgun Sr » Fri Jan 10, 2020 11:07 am

Old Savage wrote:
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The bottom is pretty.

I HAVE to comment.....that is without a doubt the prettiest frying pan I have ever seen......a color case hardened frying pan!

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#1841 Post by Sixgun Sr » Fri Jan 10, 2020 11:08 am

Dang Harry...you and I were thinking and writing the same time with the same thought in our heads.---6
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#1842 Post by Larkbill » Fri Jan 10, 2020 11:29 am

I haven't had anything to contribute, but the thread idea is genius and quite entertaining.
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#1843 Post by GunnyMack » Fri Jan 10, 2020 12:39 pm

I like the case colors BUT if ya want it blued send it here and I'll blue it for ya! I dont salt blue but I do 'Belgian ' blue. I do know of a guy in NY state that does reproduce case colors by torch- if he is still alive ?

Well ups tracking had my new Mouser delivered to the shop, gave them an hour then called- they haven't unpacked everything yet, call back in a couple hours- come on guys !! I've already paid for it!! NOW NOW NOW I WANT IT NOW! Gee that sounds like a democrap dont it ? :lol:

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#1844 Post by fordwannabe » Fri Jan 10, 2020 2:02 pm

Gunny! We at the Pa Department of Health are tracking a seriously bad flu season this year.
UPS has a batch of unobtainable brass that should have been delivered yesterday buuuut still no show.
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#1845 Post by Sixgun Sr » Fri Jan 10, 2020 2:08 pm

Larkbill wrote:
Fri Jan 10, 2020 11:29 am
I haven't had anything to contribute, but the thread idea is genius and quite entertaining.
It's supposed to be...thank you! ......no need to contribute anything...just talk, have fun, and above all, BE HAPPY!..... :D ----6


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#1846 Post by Griff » Fri Jan 10, 2020 2:57 pm

Put my Winchester 94 '66 Centennial short rifle back together last nite. The magazine ring at the muzzle had broken off, and I had to get a replacement. And, since the original was soldered in, I had a local gunsmith cut a new dovetail in and reblue the bottom of the barrel and the new ring. Surprised at how easy it went back together! I guess I've done far too many to have several months pass between dis- and re-assembly!

I just love the Lyman tang and globe front on this rifle. Now I need to take it out and re-sight it in again... after the rain stops!!! I'll take it along for Sunday's cowboy action shoot and get at least a few shots on one of the ~100 yard silhouettes out there!
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#1847 Post by GunnyMack » Fri Jan 10, 2020 3:10 pm

Well the paperwork is done, transfer fee paid and NICS is twiddling their thumbs... 90 minutes behind !
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#1848 Post by Old Savage » Fri Jan 10, 2020 5:22 pm

Here is the playboy model cch. You may see the bunny ears at the bottom. Seasoned with soy oil to get this.
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#1849 Post by Old Savage » Fri Jan 10, 2020 5:25 pm

Gunny, it is my understanding that what I am doing creates a layer of FE3O4 on the surface. You may know more about that.
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#1850 Post by Old Savage » Fri Jan 10, 2020 5:29 pm

Gunny if you check you will note that many threads and posts are discussion. It often out numbers gun related posts. Btw, I can tell you no one is reading everything posted. OT was done away with a long time ago largely due to the volume of OT.
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