new guy here

[uncoolperson]

I was given this rifle for my 12 b-day (13 years ago next week... dang i'm getting old), so far it's life has gone;

great-grandpa
grandpa
uncle
my mom
then me

it was a hunting only rifle (not to be confused with keep it pretty in the corner and out of harms way), she's been beat pretty good... missing a few parts (bigest reason why i'm here), the elevation triangle thing for the rear sight is long gone, as is the screw for the largest fore guard strap thing. (knowing the vocab sure would help me).

these pieces


i'd like to get it back to working pretty condition, the bluing has all gone away with time, and i like the look.. i know it isn't good for the rifle, but i think it should show used (just not function as used as it is...)

me and my rifle

[J Miller]

uncoolperson,

Welcome to the forum.

Happy Birthday. You're just barely growed up, you ain't close to gettin old . It's been a long time since I was 25.

Anyway, there are a bunch of places to find the rear sight elevator, and the rear barrel band screw.

To start of with you should grab a couple of exploded drawings so you'll know what you're looking at. Since your carbine is a pre-64 made prior to about 1953 you need to look for parts appropriate to that vintage.
The serial number will help narrow that down.

Both parts can be substituted with others, but getting the right ones makes it just so much better.

Here are some parts sources:
http://winchesterbob.com/
http://www.winchesterguns.com/services/obsolete.asp
http://www.gunpartscorp.com/

And I'm sure there will be more suggestions before long. Might even beat me as I'm kinda slow this morning.

Joe

[Tycer]

That's a good looking rifle. Nice wood, good honest wear, pre-64...

30WCF ( 30-30 Win) ?

That rifle is made to be tough as nails and still shoot great. It will give your grandchildren much shooting pleasure. Make a memory scrapbook to pass down with it with pics of it's owners and how they used it and on what.

In the mean time shoot, shoot, shoot it! You will be surprised how accurate it is and how the 30 WCF will drop a deer or a squirrel in a hurry, just pick the right load. Don't relegate that gun as just a plinker.......leverguns rule!

What you are looking for is a sight elevator and a rear barrel band screw.

http://leverguns.com/articles/taylor/model94_3030.htm

http://leverguns.com/articles/3030history.htm

http://leverguns.com/articles/Wincheste ... mation.htm

http://leverguns.com/articles/paco/3030varmint.htm

http://leverguns.com/articles/paco/chapter23.htm

http://leverguns.com/articles/taylor/3030longrange.htm

http://leverguns.com/articles/compare.htm

[Jayhawker]

Not sure where you are, but just about any gunsmith should be able to sell you a sight elevator and a barrel band screw. Otherwise, you can look up Brownells and check out the parts section. http://www.brownells.com/

[uncoolperson]

thanks for all the links, it's going to take awhile to get through all of that.

sorry, forgot to point out earlier, it's a 32 special.

hoping to put down a deer with it this fall (the one time my uncle tried, he failer)... would be my first deer, and to do it with the family rifle would be awesome!

i looked up the s/n somewhere and it came up with 1951 as the manufacture date.

[uncoolperson]

another question, is there any way to put a scope on the rifle without having to drill holes (i'd rather be without extra holes and a scope than have a scope and a few extra holes)?

[Ysabel Kid]

Welcome to the fire!!!

[Leverdude]

another question, is there any way to put a scope on the rifle without having to drill holes (i'd rather be without extra holes and a scope than have a scope and a few extra holes)?

Nope, not to my knowledge anyway.
I did see & shoot a 92 Winchester that was scoped once that needed no new holes. One used the lever pin screw hole & I cant recal where the second went.

Its probably drilled & tapped for a reciever sight. Are there two holes on the left rear near the top, bout 3/8's to 1/2" apart? Just my opinion but I wouldn't scope it. I would stick a reciever or tang sight on it tho. it should be set up for one or both of those.

Great gun BTW! Enjoy it, looks like you have alot of shooting years left!
I thought I was old at 25, now I think I'm young at 41. My wife, she thinks I'm just retarted & by 60 I'll be a teenager again. I sure hope she's right!

[Tycer]

32 WCF....even better!!!!

You will be admonished for even thinking about scoping a levergun, but a lot of folks do it.

There is no scope mount made for that gun without adding holes.

A Weaver side mount scope base #3D can be adhered semi-permanently with 3M VHB #4929 . I have enough to spare if you decide to go that route.

[uncoolperson]

haha third post in a row.... i'm a little excitable

http://www.gunpartscorp.com/
awesome site, i've not yet run across that... took all the self control i could muster to not replace almost every piece of the enfield, the 1903, the m1 carbine, and the winchester.... but i've managed to keep my cool and only order the parts i need.

[uncoolperson]

32 WCF....even better!!!!

You will be admonished for even thinking about scoping a levergun, but a lot of folks do it.

There is no scope mount made for that gun without adding holes.

A Weaver side mount scope base #3D can be adhered semi-permanently with 3M VHB #4929 . I have enough to spare if you decide to go that route.

would that be damaging to my already damaged rifle?

wouldn't the cooshyness cause some problems with keeping the scope in line?

edit: after looking at the data sheet i can see why you went that route, however if i do put a scope on with it, it'd probably be a good idea for me to keep a roll around incase.

thanks for the idea, and thanks for the offer.

[Tycer]

32 WCF....even better!!!!

You will be admonished for even thinking about scoping a levergun, but a lot of folks do it.

There is no scope mount made for that gun without adding holes.

A Weaver side mount scope base #3D can be adhered semi-permanently with 3M VHB #4929 . I have enough to spare if you decide to go that route.

would that be damaging to my already damaged rifle? No, heat it to 150F and pry off (or freeze to -40F and shock with a hammer )

wouldn't the cooshyness cause some problems with keeping the scope in line? No, the 4929 is only .025" thick, incredibly strong, and very solid. On my 1886, I can't make the bell of an 11" scope move. The Weaver bases curve over the top of the receiver, adding stability.

[Hobie]

Glad to have you here.

I'm another to recommend the receiver sight. That .32 WS is a good cartridge.

[WCF3030]

Welcome,
You have already been given plenty of good advice.

[uncoolperson]

Welcome,
You have already been given plenty of good advice.

Thanks

yeah, I'm working on absorption right now....thanks everyone for the guidance.

[Old Savage]

Just bought a rear barrel band screw from Brownell's, $14.50 I believe. Make sure you get the right one for your serial # rifle, my gunshop ordered the wrong one first then reordered.

[kimwcook]

Welcome to the fire uncool. Nice rifle. Get the right stuff for it and then as you've said, shoot it. Good luck on dropping your venison.

[Old Savage]

I like scopes but I never drill holes in anything to put them on. Probably wasn't meant to be on this rifle.

[J Miller]

uncoolperson,

Please for the sake of us old "anti-scope on leverguns" codgers, but mostly your children, don't scope that Winchester. Yes, it will ruin it. Replace the two missing parts and learn to shoot it as it was intended to be. Scopes are a crutch that just don't go on a classic 94.

If you have to have a scope, put grandads Winchester back in the safe, closet, or where ever and go buy a new Marlin 336.

Joe

[papabear]

your young you wont need to put a scoop on any thing till your close to 50 shoot it as it was meant to be shot with no scopes
when your ready for a scope go out and buy a lever gun thats all ready taped for a scope

[uncoolperson]

don't worry, not going to hurt the gun. that's why i asked about a non-drilling option, and i'm worried about the tape.

the only rifle I've added a scope to was my m1 carbine, and that was because i found a barrel clamping accessory rail (no holes, no scratches, no bad stuff).... and i had to get my military carbine up to snuff with my buddies m4.

[LeverBob]

Uncoolperson...My old buddy JMiller knows whereof he speaks..tycer & papabear too. Listen up!
Any young feller just starting out like you should listen to the old gray heads like theirs...Joe is right on! Fix grandpa's gun & shoot the heck out of it...then, fix it again!
I am an owner of Mustang Range in Nev. Just got finished with a machine gun shoot this weekend. Part of the fun of being an owner is that I can shoot whatever I want anytime. We have a target set up @ 500 meters. A 2' Iron gong. Shot from a sling with .303 British surplus ammo, I rang the gong from prone 50 shots. 50 hits! Iron sights. Try it. Iron sights are just as good today as they were 150 yrs. ago. Joe Miller knows!!! So does Tycer, Hobie and the others.
Believe me, an old No.4 Enfield can deliver the goods with Iron sights. So can a 94' in .32 Special. I can ring the gong with my Marlin 336 in 30-30 AI without too much trouble too.
By the way, your handle doesn't cut-it. You are definitely COOL, not uncool.
And...Welcome to the fire Pard...stay awhile, I think you belong here!

LeverBob
Dayton, Nv.

[uncoolperson]

ohh... yeah

next few guns i buy (after the micro compact Springfield 1911) are going to be a wheel gun and lever to take matching ammo (planing on alaska bear protection if i ever move back), and the girl wants a lever gun (because it's neater than a bolt/pump/auto), probably in pink with gold trim like her pistol.





then the garand, then the.... yeah i've got a big "NEED to get list"

[steveb]

Welcome to the forum.

[uncoolperson]

on the learn to shoot it as it should and the related posts.

i've been shooting her pretty decently (enough to make up for not having the sight elevator). between my familial tremor (my hands shake a whole lot... mine and my dad's joke is we could give a tattoo without a tattoo gun) and having an old rifle, i can take out a gallon jug at 100 yards usually inside 3 shots, it's not great but for me that's awesome. I've probably put a few hundred threw it shooting at paper, which gets really spendy when compared to the plinker (m1 carbine).

the deer i'd run into around here will be well inside 50 yards (trees are too thick), so i'm not going to be making any leg shots, don't worry about that one.

[C. Cash]

Welcome and congrats on inheriting such a treasure.

[AmBraCol]

Welcome to the virtual campfire. The guys are pointing you right. I too have an old '94 that's a family heirloom. It was my grampa's and he passed it on to me 9 years ago. It's a 50's production gun also but in 30 WCF instead of 32 WS Anyway, keep it original (sounds like you're leaning that way anyway) as extra holes and such lower the value even more than an honest finish wear does. Last fall was the first time I got to take the old rifle into the woods. It filled all my tags - even though I was having problems with my vision. Shots between 40 and 80 or so yards and the deer went down. The 32 is plenty capable of doing the same, it's about shot placement. Work with those gallon jugs. Paper plates also make for good targets. They're about the size of a deer's vital area. If you can place your shots on the plate at 100 yards you should be good to go. My brother took his first deer with another heirloom last year as well, the old family 25-35. It was neat for him to take his first deer with the same rifle as our uncles and father hunted with. Taking to the woods with an old levergun is fun. Doing so with a family rifle is indescribably enjoyable. It was like Grandpa was sittin' on that slope next to me as we waited for the deer to come by.

If you enjoy the old cartridges and would like a scoped rifle to shoot them out of, I'd suggest picking up an old Marlin. They've got a nice flat receiver on top and side ejection and work much better with a scope than a Winchester '94 does. The Angle Eject models of the '94 can be scoped, but somehow they don't "look right" to my eye. The 336 on the other hand doesn't offend sensibilities as much.

As for needing a scope, what one needs most is to train one's eyes to see game. This comes from time in the woods. Last year I was finally able to spend some time just bumming in the woods - and my woods eyes started coming back. At 25 you're just a spring chicken compared to many on this forum, some of whom have spent two or even three times the years on God's green earth. Enjoy using iron sights while you can. The day may well come when you'll NEED a scope to help those eyes out. The only neater thing than taking a deer with Grandpa's old rifle was doing so with open sights - the way the carbine was designed. Only the Good Lord knows when I'll get another chance to hunt, but it may well be that my only option by then will be to use a scoped rifle - only time will tell and my eyes aren't getting any better. But the memory of taking those deer in the snowy woods on a late fall day will live long in my memory.

[uncoolperson]

i posted it over there, so i'll post it here too.... thanks for the help, here's how she stands now.

[Hobie]

Glad you've made the transition!

[salvo]

Looks like you got the ol 94 ready to make meat, it sure looks great.

[old06]

well I signed up this time in stead of just sitting out and reading