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Put the side hack on the 77

#1 Post by Pitchy » Sun Jun 30, 2019 2:51 pm

Well we just finished putting the car on, what a job and hot but we got er done.

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#2 Post by Nath » Sun Jun 30, 2019 3:14 pm

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#3 Post by OldWin » Sun Jun 30, 2019 3:30 pm

Cool buddy! Love that old shovel.
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#4 Post by Pitchy » Sun Jun 30, 2019 3:33 pm

Thanks Nath and Jan, it looks pretty cool on there i gotta say, we won`t go far with it but at least i can get on and ride.
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#5 Post by Grizz » Sun Jun 30, 2019 3:42 pm

Won't be noticed either so it makes for quiet get-aways... :)

Really looks like a fun ride and the wood looks great.

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#6 Post by Pitchy » Sun Jun 30, 2019 3:49 pm

Thanks Grizz, its fun the only thing ya gotta watch is front fork shake, ya don`t want to let go of the handle bars even one hand.
Snoop dog loved riding in it. :)
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#7 Post by GunnyMack » Sun Jun 30, 2019 4:04 pm

That's beautiful! I know of 2 labradors that would love to ride shotgun!
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#8 Post by Pitchy » Sun Jun 30, 2019 4:06 pm

Thanks Gunny, seeing i have the 94 Fat Boy to ride might as well put it back on for short rides Norma likes riding in it. :)
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#9 Post by crs » Sun Jun 30, 2019 4:45 pm

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#10 Post by Pitchy » Sun Jun 30, 2019 4:53 pm

Thanks crs, will do. :)
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#11 Post by draperjojo » Sun Jun 30, 2019 4:55 pm

Where is the scabbard? I'm working on my 77 Shovel today too. Carb has always run rich at this altitude, I've ordered in some jets to tweak the carb.
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#12 Post by Pitchy » Sun Jun 30, 2019 5:14 pm

Thanks, looks good, what carb ya running?
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#13 Post by draperjojo » Sun Jun 30, 2019 5:18 pm

S&S Super E, the older series that has the main air bleed that is just a drilled .040" hole. I'm gonna open it up to 5/16"-24 thread so I can just screw in a main jet what ever size I need to tune it. The ones they've built since 2004 come that way.

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#14 Post by Pitchy » Sun Jun 30, 2019 5:29 pm

This bike came with a SS then i put a Bendix on it but this bike is real cold blooded on start up so now i have a Mikuni on it.
I think a CVA would work good but i didn`t want to spend the money for as much as i ride it.
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#15 Post by 2ndovc » Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:00 pm

That's pretty darned cool!

I'm picking up a '95 Sportster in a couple of days. My Brother in law owes me some $ and offered up his bike instead. I'm not sure how good of shape it's in, looks ok but haven't heard it run yet. I'm a dirt bike, dual sport guy so Street bikes are new to me. We'll know more in a couple of days how well it runs.

Anyway, that side car is wicked cool, Lenn! Have fun!!

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#16 Post by Pitchy » Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:01 pm

Thanks jb, post a picture when ya can. 8)
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#17 Post by 2ndovc » Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:19 pm

Will do. I'll need some help getting it running and really, what I should do with it. Gonna ride it for the summer, but after that I'd really like to trade it off for a new/ used Dual sport. I had a Kawasaki KLR 650 for years and wouldn't mind a new one but I'd really like to upgrade to a BMW GS 1200. That single cyl on the Kaw was a real B Breaker, but it always started on the first try and ran perfectly every time. Shouldn't have sold it!

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#18 Post by Pitchy » Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:24 pm

Ya may like that sporty. :)
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#19 Post by Bill in Oregon » Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:30 pm

Great to see that sidecar back in the sunshine, Lenn. Enjoy it!

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#20 Post by Pitchy » Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:31 pm

Thanks Bill, will take it for a ride in the morn down the dirt road and shoot a vid. :)
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#21 Post by M. M. Wright » Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:36 pm

Love that sidecar Pitchy. You know the early ones were wicker to save weight. Since I can't ride with this new knee I could put the car on my 66 and actually get some use out of it. I'm running an S&S Super E on mine and it's always been too rich but it starts so good and runs so smooth I hate to change anything.
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#22 Post by Pitchy » Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:41 pm

Thanks Ron, coming from a old bold rider as yourself i appreciate it.
Ya a hack would be just right for ya hope ya can get er done.
This car is heavy, it started out as a leaner but didn`t work out so i welded it up so it was solid, i like them on the heavy side so they don`t lift on ya on the right turns.
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#23 Post by Pitchy » Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:48 pm

She`s a beauty Ron, now that i think of it i gotta put the bigger back sprocket on it for pulling the car.
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#24 Post by piller » Sun Jun 30, 2019 8:38 pm

Cool. Nice to see the arrow target back out and on your bike. Does Norma carry a gun to shoot back at those marauding wild indians?
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#25 Post by gamekeeper » Mon Jul 01, 2019 1:51 am

That is one handsome outfit you have created there Lenn, don't see many sidecars over here now but when I was growing up they were a very common form of family transport.
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#26 Post by Pitchy » Mon Jul 01, 2019 6:08 am

Thanks piller and GK, hopefully no attacks this year. :lol:
Neat car piller but the driver was left in the elements. :)
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#27 Post by Bill in Oregon » Mon Jul 01, 2019 7:58 am

GK, thanks for that photo. Never saw one that fancy.

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#28 Post by gamekeeper » Mon Jul 01, 2019 8:23 am

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GK, thanks for that photo. Never saw one that fancy.
Bill, they and BSAs etc were very common in England after the war, before folks could afford to buy a car. I always wanted a Panther without a sidecar, they used to joke that the slow reving engine fired every other lamp post... I just thought they looked so cool..
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#29 Post by Malamute » Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:09 am

I had forgotten about your sidecar rig Pitchy, looks good!

The handlebar wobble should be able to be tuned out with adjustment of the toe in and lean angle of the bike.

I caught the motorcycle spark again a year or so again after seeing a 1949 Panhead custom. I couldnt afford the older ones that I really liked, particularly knuckles, which is what I had the longest. I ended up settling for a practically brand new year bike, an 84. It already had electric start, which is pretty expensive to add to the older ones.

With my health limitations, I realized id probably need a sidecar in case my back, shoulder or hip spazzed out when I stopped, I can also take the dog riding with one. Searching around the net I was repeatedly referred to the adventure rider forum https://advrider.com/f/ they have an entire section of sidecar info, all sorts of makes and models of sidecars. I found used DMC car that I can adapt to my bike. I hope to be able t get it done this summer. Its been a slow process.

So Pitchy, if you read a bit on that forum, you can find the info to tune your rig, it should be good hands free on the road when adjusted right. Theres various schools of thought on different aspects, but the basics are the same with toe in and lean angle. The roads you ride on the most can affect it, but you should be able to find a happy median adjustment for all around riding that isnt too much of a workout.
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#30 Post by Malamute » Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:24 am

2ndovc wrote:
Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:00 pm
That's pretty darned cool!

I'm picking up a '95 Sportster in a couple of days. My Brother in law owes me some $ and offered up his bike instead. I'm not sure how good of shape it's in, looks ok but haven't heard it run yet. I'm a dirt bike, dual sport guy so Street bikes are new to me. We'll know more in a couple of days how well it runs.

Anyway, that side car is wicked cool, Lenn! Have fun!!

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On the forum I mentioned above, theres a number of threads about making sportsters into offroad or dual purpose bikes.Thers also tons of videos on offroad sportsters. I also saw a vid where some guys built a baja type bike for the Norra 1000 race.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dsd2IadjnY4

Of course any bike can be a dual purpose bike, o road scads of dirt roads on my 47 Knuckle in Az, both in the swingarm frame and a couple years in the hardtail frame. The 84 Low Rider i now have is going on dirt road exploring rides, its one of the things I really miss.

This guy and this video helped inspire me, this guy retreated from the greater world from his chef work after his son passed. He winters in the Big Bend country, and rode his bike and sidecar with his dog all over the west in the summer. He has tons of videos.

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#31 Post by Pitchy » Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:09 am

Hi Malamute good to see ya, thanks for the info i`ll check it out.
I`ve had three sidecars so know much of what your speaking of.
That dog gone sprocket changed out so easy so ya know what that means, dern rear brake won`t pump up now :lol:
Yep it is full of fluid, can`t figure what happened.
Edit, it finally pumped up.

Here`s a vid and a picture at a lake access we rode too.

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#32 Post by 2ndovc » Mon Jul 01, 2019 12:54 pm

Malamute, thanks for the link! Some stuff to think about.

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#33 Post by M. M. Wright » Mon Jul 01, 2019 1:15 pm

Serene! Looks like Norma's enjoying herself. Nothing quite like getting in the wind is there?
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#34 Post by 3leggedturtle » Mon Jul 01, 2019 5:19 pm

Looks so nice, i miss going down quiet back roads.
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#35 Post by Malamute » Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:46 pm

2ndovc wrote:
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Malamute, thanks for the link! Some stuff to think about.

jb 8)
if you search youtube for harleys on dirt theres a few guys regularly doing videos and showing what they did to the bikes, mainly sportsters of course. the ones that get really serious swap the front ends with good dirt bike front ends and put longer shocks on the back among other things. Of course, some of us have just never been too bright and took our big twins everywhere they would physically go, only occasionally scraping the frame on rocks, and seeing a lot of back country.

The 47 made a fair deer hunting rig.
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#36 Post by OldWin » Tue Jul 02, 2019 7:48 am

Thanks for the video, buddy!
Man! That is one hard core biker looking dude you let drive! :D

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I've always wanted to do a Sportster dual sport conversion. Need a chain drive donor, though.
I saw a ton of "Harley's on dirt" on our recent trip to Alaska. I kept telling my son I wouldn't do that to mine!
Saw hundreds of adventure bikes. That is definitely the way to go! My son got all excited to run the AlCan with a BMW GS or KTM. There was a rumor Harley was going to make an Adv. bike soon.
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#37 Post by Grizz » Tue Jul 02, 2019 10:49 am

I saw a ton of "Harley's on dirt" on our recent trip to Alaska. I kept telling my son I wouldn't do that to mine!
Man O Man, my introduction to Harleys was when my Grandpa would take me to watch the hillclimbs in San Berdu, where the majority of them fell over backwards before they got near the crest..... that was my entire moto education until I got one .. . . .. .

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#38 Post by Malamute » Tue Jul 02, 2019 2:52 pm

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Thanks for the video, buddy!
Man! That is one hard core biker looking dude you let drive! :D

Malmute,
I've always wanted to do a Sportster dual sport conversion. Need a chain drive donor, though.
I saw a ton of "Harley's on dirt" on our recent trip to Alaska. I kept telling my son I wouldn't do that to mine!
Saw hundreds of adventure bikes. That is definitely the way to go! My son got all excited to run the AlCan with a BMW GS or KTM. There was a rumor Harley was going to make an Adv. bike soon.
In years past, people rode any motorcycle they had, including all the old models of H-Ds on any conceivable sort of road or trail, its what they had, and they just went and did it. I did much the same with mine in the past, some guys that went riding with me said theyd never go again, but I had a blast, as did several friends that liked the same stuff. So long as the frame doesnt hang up, you can get in all sorts of places, I just diodnt go very fast on the rougher stuff. Gravel or average quality dirt roads, no problems. Let it float and dance around as you go.

Sadly, one old friend that I used to ride with, when i asked him if hed go dirt roading again like we used to said he wasnt going to take a $25k harley on dirt roads. It didnt bother him with his 77 low rider. In a way Im glad my budget isnt in the same bracket as his currently, i have a bike im not the least bit afraid to take anywhere I took the old knuckle. If it breaks, you fix it and go on, though i really had little trouble when out tooling around in the N Az backroads.

This was pretty interesting about taking early 50s H-Ds on some mountain roads,

https://advrider.com/f/threads/the-orig ... kes.29723/

This was the other end of the spectrum, a girl bought a 150cc bike and rode it all over South America. just one day decided she wanted a motorcycle, went to the washing machine store (bike store was closed) and bought a bike, had a friend teach her how to ride it in an hour or so, ans took off the next day. https://advrider.com/f/threads/around-s ... c.1161843/

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#39 Post by OldWin » Tue Jul 02, 2019 3:22 pm

Yup.
I rode dirt bikes for many years. I've all the things I've done, it's the thing I miss. When I was real young, I remember when people rode whatever they dad in the woods. It really is amazing how tough that stuff was.
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#40 Post by Pitchy » Tue Jul 02, 2019 3:36 pm

When i was a kid they had a hill climb near by and i was amazed on how the Harley`s were the only ones that blasted over the top.
The next thing that lit my board was when i was a bus boy at a super club when in my teens and a club member took me for a ride on his scooter, that did it for me and when i could get the cash i bought my first Harley.
Rode dirt bikes and scooters anything on two wheels as a kid but when i got my first Harley in 1975 a Sportster which i immediately chopped and rode across the country several times i was then in Heaven.
Now it`s 2019 and have had a motor cycle every year since the beginning and only God`s protection has kept me alive.
Been good and bad that has come from riding Harley`s and drinking and i thank God for watching after me so i can be of use to Him in some way.
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#41 Post by OldWin » Tue Jul 02, 2019 3:55 pm

Your "charmed" Pitchy. It's cause your a first class dude, buddy!
I been lucky too when I think on it. Had two buddies busted up just this year on bikes.

Oh, the reason the Harley's work good on the climbs is torque. Less shifting than the 2 strokes and single cylinder 4 strokes. Down side is weight, so you gotta keep em pointed right! :D
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#42 Post by Pitchy » Tue Jul 02, 2019 4:05 pm

The Harley hill climbers back then had swing arms or frames that were stretched out way long to keep them from flipping over, when they let loose it was one straight loud blast over the top. :lol:
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#43 Post by OldWin » Tue Jul 02, 2019 4:11 pm

Yeah, I've seen those +6, +12, and more, swingarms. I had a two position one on my old trials bike. It does make a huge difference for climbing.
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#44 Post by Pitchy » Tue Jul 02, 2019 5:41 pm

Back in that day the dealers only had stock pretty whimpy bikes to climb, the Harley`s were all custom built long and lots of power it was a sight to behold.
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#45 Post by Grizz » Wed Jul 03, 2019 11:27 am

A tale of two Harleys. After I moved to Berkeley to build a world cruising sailboat and ran out of money I got a job driving a 74 cu.in. Harley with a sidecar that looked like this, sorta. The box was bright red plywood.
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This was in San Francisco driving for a film developing lab. Took finished photos out and brought back film to be developed and printed. Split shift, 6 days a week, for 3-1/2 years. I put over 100000 miles on that rig. 3 forward speeds and reverse. Talk about fun. It would burn rubber in reverse as far as I wanted to. It would beat almost anything on the street between the lights on the short city blocks.

Because of the split shift I had around 4 hours between trips. What's a young man to do? Spend a lot of time at the S.F. Public Library researching cruising sailboat designs. I couldn't afford internet.

Oh yeah, I found some old moto parts, listed in want ads I suppose. Used payphones to contact sellers I imagine. I was so poor I couldn't afford a smart phone or wi-fi. But somehow I collected a frame, an engine, a springer front end, a couple of wheels and miscellaneous nuts and bolts. Right there in my apartment in Berkeley there grew a hard tail 45 cubic inch flathead Harley with springer front end, suicide clutch and stick shift.
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I used to ride that thing on the Marin County Sunday morning breakfast run from Sausalito Heliport to Point Rayes Station where there was a diner. I think there were more than fifty bikes participating, but they were in small groups and you could choose the amount of traffic you wanted to enjoy. This was an all out road race for those equiped to do it. They were exceeding 100mph on the short straightaways. This was when the Yamaha twins were just out and the racers geared them for the twisty narrow Route 1. That bike felt like there was a large hand in your back pushing you up the road.

Me, I cruised along in stately wonder, riding the torque curve, listening to them stack up behind me in the tight esses. Briiing, briiing, ziiiiing... This must have been a thing to see from a photo drone because they could not pass me on the steep uphill climb a little north of Sausalito. I generally left old Flat Head in second gear, and using the road from shoulder to shoulder Flat Head would fend off the pack. They were so busy downshifting and upshifting thru the turns that they could not pass me until a certain straightaway. Then they would blow by, hit a ton, and jockey to get through the next esse first. This little thrill was reproduceable and no one ever got past Harley in those twisters.

For a while I had two Harleys, the one I worked on and the one I rode on my day off. Not that there is anything wrong with that!
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#46 Post by Pitchy » Wed Jul 03, 2019 12:20 pm

Cool beans Grizz. 8)
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#47 Post by 2ndovc » Thu Jul 04, 2019 8:48 am

Don't have it home yet but stopped by the dopey BIL's house ( which I own, and the reason he's giving me the bike) for a picture.

Boss lady want's me to sell it but I'm going to fool around with it for now. I like the idea of turning it into a scrambler. :D
Hoping to get it home tomorrow afternoon.

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If anyone has any interest in the Honda, he will let it go for $500. :D

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Re: Put the side hack on the 77

#48 Post by OldWin » Thu Jul 04, 2019 9:47 am

Wow! That's the first thing I thought when I saw the Sportster.
If you were close I'd be all over the old Honda. :cry:
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#49 Post by Pitchy » Thu Jul 04, 2019 10:30 am

Nice looking bike jb, hope ya can make it into what ya want. 8)
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Re: Put the side hack on the 77

#50 Post by Pitchy » Fri Jul 05, 2019 2:47 pm

Brakes went all to heck, ordered new rear master cylinder, never let things sit to long. :roll:
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