Winchester 1200/120 Ranger.

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Winchester 1200/120 Ranger.

#1 Post by gamekeeper » Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:17 pm

I'm here again with more questions :? I'm having problems replacing my Russian 12 gauge, I thought it would be simple to pick up a used folding single barrel but the one I bought had to be sent back, it was so off the face and bubbered. So another idea came to mind, I've had Savage, Remington & Mossberg pumps but never had a Winchester pump, well I may have found an old 1200 for $190.00
Only seen photos but it looks OK. Questions, are they as good as some reviews I have read? are spare parts available? how do you rate them? Thanks for your experienced knowledge yet again.… :wink:
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Re: Winchester 1200.

#2 Post by piller » Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:29 pm

I wish I could help, but I have never owned or fired one. Remington 870 and Mossberg 500 are my experiences. They are incredibly ubiquitous for a simple reason. They are both excellent and at a reasonable price point for the quality. There might be better available, but not for the same price.

Winchester does have a good reputation. Again, I have no personal experience with them.
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Re: Winchester 1200.

#3 Post by wm » Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:54 pm

Based on my experience waterfowling ( as opposed to skeet, trap, clays, up land bird, turkey, tactical, etc which all put slightly different demands on a shotgun and bring out different qualities) I would rank the pump action shotguns this way in terms of quality, shootability, durability, and support;

1) Remington 870
1A) Mossberg 500/590
2) Browning BPS
3) Ithaca 37
3) Winchester 1200/1300

That's not to say the Winchester 1200/1300 shotguns are bad. They are more consistent in quality then the Ithaca 37 IMO, but a really good Ithaca 37 is a bit better then the average 1300 IMO. And the Winchesters are way more affordable.

BTW if its a 1200 then it is a pre 1980 or 82 product. The 1300 replaced the 1200 in the Winchester line around that time & is considered an "utilitarian" version with less attractive but more durable finish, stocks are not fitted as nicely, etc.

$190 in 98% or so condition is considered a good price for such here in mid Michigan.

I recently was looking at an Armscor shotgun. The design has A LOT of similarity to the old High Standard pump shotgun. Brand new they retail for $250. I have confidence in the design but I have no first hand experience with how well Armscor executed the design.

https://armscor.com/firearms/ria-import ... un-series/

And they have a small folding shotgun they sell for $140.

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#4 Post by Pete44ru » Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:13 pm

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FWIW, The Winchester line of Winchester M-1300, M-1200/Sears M-200 pumpguns, and their brother autoloaders (Winchester M-1400/Sears M-300) were known as "the gunsmith's friend".

Today, besides random general reliability issues (some samples had no issues), parts availability is also randomly scarce, and there are virtually no aftermarket accessories for them.

IIRC, a particular issue was an easily worn/broken synthetic internal receiver buffer, and some stamped parts (they were some of the infamous "post-64" Winchesters).

That said, I had the 12ga Sears version of the Winchester 1200 (Sears M-200), which was the same gun as the Winchester 1200 with squared-off pallet wood stocks and a different contour of the rear of the receiver where it met the buttstock..

As plain as it was, the M-200 I bought new in the late 60's gave me no trouble over the 3 years I had/used it before trading it away for a 20ga Ithaca M-37 Deluxe that I still own/use.

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#5 Post by .45colt » Wed Jun 12, 2019 11:52 pm

Years ago when I was shooting trap & skeet all the time one of the Older Guys at the club had a model 1200 Trap Gun for sale. pretty nice gun, well stocked and shot really well. Before I bought it I asked the local Gunsmith about it and He said for a field gun they were O.K. but as a target gun No. He said there was a small part I believe in the bolt that wouldn't stand hard use.

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Re: Winchester 1200.

#6 Post by gamekeeper » Thu Jun 13, 2019 2:47 am

Thanks for the honest opinions, if I get the 1200 it will only get occasional light use, most of my squirrel huntin' is done with a. 410 or .22.
wm, thanks for bringing Ithaca pumps to mind, I haven't had one of those either.
American made pumps are nowhere near as common over here. The UK is awash with Turkish made shotguns at the moment, they look very nice BUT my local dealer only seems to see fairly new ones that are worn out or broken, so I'll give them a miss.
Having grown up in England my only knowledge of real firearms came from reading gun mags like " Guns & Ammo " as a young man working in the Birmingham gun trade I got to use all sorts of good old American firearms and my preference has always been for iconic American made firearms of all types.
I would love a model 42 and a model 12 but scarcity and price keep them out of my reach. :( the Winchester 1200 just looked interesting at a reasonable price.
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#7 Post by gamekeeper » Thu Jun 13, 2019 3:51 am

Well that adventure didn't last long, email from seller, the Winchester 1200 has been sold... :(
I have found a Winchester 120 but at $500.00 doesn't seem so much of a bargain but as I'm mainly shooting American Grey Squirrels it only seems right to shoot 'em with an American made gun... :wink:
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Re: Winchester 1200/120 Ranger.

#8 Post by Stevie » Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:59 am

I own a couple 1300 'Defender' riot guns and a 20ga 120 or 1200 shotgun. I always thought them good solid shotguns. They are designed so that recoil helps 'pump' the shotgun...a bit weird at first...but once you get the hang of it they pump fast....I forget what Winchester calls the system??...something like 'fast-action' or other

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