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#1 Post by Nath » Fri Jun 07, 2019 2:33 am

Hi folks.
I know some of you like shooting 410 so I thought I would share with you my recent 410 fun.
I had some empties kicking around so dumped some H110 in them and added some #7narfs. My 410 loading gear is very basic but refreshing in its own special way. Image
Carrying my 410 makes me happy and it box's way above its weight. A good example of how more is not always necessarily better.
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Re: 410

#2 Post by mickbr » Fri Jun 07, 2019 3:57 am

nice, big fan of the 410 here.

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Re: 410

#3 Post by gamekeeper » Fri Jun 07, 2019 4:56 am

I have three .410s plus my 16 gauge/.410 adapter, so yup I'm a fourten fan..... :wink:
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Re: 410

#4 Post by GunnyMack » Fri Jun 07, 2019 5:07 am

410's are great! As you say they certainly do have more to offer than most people think. A bit of load development and nothing is safe. I have shot skeet, doves, pheasants & chukar and even a few ducks ( before non toxic laws). Slugs were a favorite for feral cats too!
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#5 Post by crs » Fri Jun 07, 2019 7:22 am

My kids and grandkids learned to shoot shotguns with the same single shot .410.

Grandson Troupe took three Texas turkey gobblers with it before he outgrew it and moved to his mom's O/U 20 gauge. :)
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Re: 410

#6 Post by Old Savage » Fri Jun 07, 2019 7:34 am

Nath, you're back. I have a Marlin lever from about 1932.
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#7 Post by Bill in Oregon » Fri Jun 07, 2019 8:20 am

What pleasanter sight is there than a handful of lovely red .410 reloads with perfect roll crimps?
Wow that's a beautiful single shot!
I wonder what the gun shop will say when I ask where they keep their narfs, though.

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#8 Post by Nath » Fri Jun 07, 2019 8:23 am

Thanks.
Just something about a 410. Maybe our childhoods!

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#9 Post by M. M. Wright » Fri Jun 07, 2019 11:01 am

Beautiful pics friend. I think I understand your "basic" loading set-up except for how do you get that beautiful roll crimp? Drill press? For years I loaded 10 ga. brass hulls with a stick and a de-primer/primer I made for the purpose. Held the over shot cards in with waterglass. (Just like the old timers.) Still do the same for 12s since I sold the 10. 'Course I use ffg for powder. Wonder if fffg would be correct for 410?
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Re: 410

#10 Post by Nath » Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:14 pm

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Beautiful pics friend. I think I understand your "basic" loading set-up except for how do you get that beautiful roll crimp? Drill press? For years I loaded 10 ga. brass hulls with a stick and a de-primer/primer I made for the purpose. Held the over shot cards in with waterglass. (Just like the old timers.) Still do the same for 12s since I sold the 10. 'Course I use ffg for powder. Wonder if fffg would be correct for 410?
Yes bud , in the photo you can see the roll crimper in the drill chuck.
When I tried black powder in 410 it was quite anemic.
I think it would take a 3" to be remotely useful. My gun is 2&1/2".

By the way, if you have no roll crimp or water glass, nail varnish works too :)
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Re: 410

#11 Post by GunnyMack » Fri Jun 07, 2019 4:35 pm

I had some success with 000 buck in the 410 many moons ago. Patterned well but I had no load data so velocity was low.
I still need to play with the Thug slug and Light Game Slugs I got from BP. claim 2000fps with the LGS!
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#12 Post by 3leggedturtle » Fri Jun 07, 2019 6:44 pm

Hot glue gun works to keep overshot wad in place to. I also have an .410 insert for my .20 gauge just in case.... Really wish smoothbore pistols weren't NFA....
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#13 Post by 6pt-sika » Fri Jun 07, 2019 8:11 pm

I’ve got three 410’s at the moment . A circa 1970 Browning Superposed skeet , a 1930’s Iver Johnson Hercules SxS and a Crescent Arms SxS . But years earlier I shot thousands of skeet targets with 410 tubes in 12 gauge skeet guns . While I never ran 100 straight with the 410 I shot a veritable pile of 98 out of 100 and a couple 99’s . Wish I could’ve gotten that last target for 100 straight , but I’ll live with what I was able to do . I’d love to add a Parker VH/VHE 410 to my accumulation but doubt that ever happens . Oh yeah at present I have a MEC Grabber and MEC 9000 for the 410 , suspect the Grabber will go down the road soon .
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#14 Post by 765x53 » Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:15 pm

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Fri Jun 07, 2019 4:35 pm
I had some success with 000 buck in the 410 many moons ago. Patterned well but I had no load data so velocity was low.
I still need to play with the Thug slug and Light Game Slugs I got from BP. claim 2000fps with the LGS!
I have had a lot of fun playing with 000 loads in this brochure. https://www.ballisticproducts.com/Broch ... /00BBX410/
There are other .410 buckshot loads in this manual. https://www.ballisticproducts.com/The-C ... fo/00MCOY/

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Re: 410

#15 Post by bikerbeans » Fri Jun 07, 2019 11:03 pm

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Pic is me with a red deer hind i shot with my 410 levergun. I had JES rebore a 30-30 to .410 with 1:22 twist. I cast a plain base 260g WFN boolit and it sits on a compressed load of I4895. MV is 1,700 fps and will shoot 1.5" 3-shot group at 100 yards. I use metal/plastic hulls so the gun is legal for whitetail in Ohio.

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#16 Post by Nath » Fri Jun 07, 2019 11:21 pm

Awesome replies gents and great development and harvest bikerbeans :D

See, I remember the 410ers that reside here 8)

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#17 Post by GunnyMack » Sat Jun 08, 2019 4:45 am

765x53 wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:15 pm
GunnyMack wrote:
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I had some success with 000 buck in the 410 many moons ago. Patterned well but I had no load data so velocity was low.
I still need to play with the Thug slug and Light Game Slugs I got from BP. claim 2000fps with the LGS!
I have had a lot of fun playing with 000 loads in this brochure. https://www.ballisticproducts.com/Broch ... /00BBX410/
There are other .410 buckshot loads in this manual. https://www.ballisticproducts.com/The-C ... fo/00MCOY/
Yes BP has been a boon for us scatter gun shooters! I have their manual, just need to load some !
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#18 Post by Bill in Oregon » Sat Jun 08, 2019 8:35 am

Nath, what make and model is that bolt-action .410 in your photo? It is quite lovely.

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#19 Post by Old Savage » Sat Jun 08, 2019 8:45 am

Bikerbeans, basically like the 45-70 loads I used on a 3 point CA deer in my Marlin 1895.
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#20 Post by Mike Armstrong » Sat Jun 08, 2019 2:44 pm

I killed my first blacktail buck with a .410 slug in 1951 using a Winchester Model 37 single shot I still have and occasionally use. Three years later I discovered that .410 slugs were illgal for deer in CA at that time (and so was the .25-20 Marlin I'd used for the next two bucks....). Sometimes ignorance actually IS bliss!

Agree that a .410, especially if you reload, is a great gun to have around. I've had a bunch, but kept the 37 all this time. Back at the end of the 1980s "recession" it was the only long gun I had for a year or so (full disclosure: I didn't feel too disarmed, just poor--I still had my grandad's 1913 Colt "New Service" .44-40 and my 1961 Ruger "Bearcat" .22 revolver. STILL got 'em all, too!).

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Re: 410

#21 Post by Mike Armstrong » Sat Jun 08, 2019 2:47 pm

PS: betcha that little .410 bolt single shot of Nath's is a "Beeza"! They made nice bikes, too.

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#22 Post by Nath » Sat Jun 08, 2019 3:06 pm

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Nath, what make and model is that bolt-action .410 in your photo? It is quite lovely.
It is a Webley and Scott single shot ejector :D

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PS: betcha that little .410 bolt single shot of Nath's is a "Beeza"! They made nice bikes, too.
The BSA boltaction .410 was built with the Lee Metford bolt and was another good old British shotgun.
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#24 Post by fatboy » Sat Jun 08, 2019 3:28 pm

Took my first 'gam animal', a Chinese pheasant with a .410; over 60 years later I keep a .22/.410 OU M-6 behind the seat of my truck all the time. Sometimes I take the little Czech down and pack it into my suitcase when I travel.
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#25 Post by bikerbeans » Sat Jun 08, 2019 3:47 pm

Old Savage,

My 410 levergun is ballistic twin to a 40-65 with a light boolit. My 410 loads are running way over SAAMI pressure, but the gun is find with them. My only concern is that i don't put one of my slug loads in my Mossbrrg 500E.

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#26 Post by Rusty » Sat Jun 08, 2019 10:22 pm

Thanks Nath,
I've been loading up on .410 stuff for the last few days. I'm going to be needing some light recoil arms from now on. I bought my new daughter a 500 .410 for her birthday just today. I'll get myself one later after I've healed a bit more. I'm looking forward to getting fully invested in the project. I want a MEC reloader and the whole bit. I'm wondering if it's possible to upgrade a M500?
For those that are interested i just saw where they are also making tungsten shot loads for the .410. Some people are taking turkeys out to 40 yards with them.
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#27 Post by Nath » Sat Jun 08, 2019 11:18 pm

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Thanks Nath,
I've been loading up on .410 stuff for the last few days. I'm going to be needing some light recoil arms from now on. I bought my new daughter a 500 .410 for her birthday just today. I'll get myself one later after I've healed a bit more. I'm looking forward to getting fully invested in the project. I want a MEC reloader and the whole bit. I'm wondering if it's possible to upgrade a M500?
For those that are interested i just saw where they are also making tungsten shot loads for the .410. Some people are taking turkeys out to 40 yards with them.
Cool 8) .

I have seen videos of some of you guys hunting turkey with 410 pistols! Check it out.

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#28 Post by BigSky56 » Mon Jun 10, 2019 3:40 pm

The 410 is a all round shotgun; grouse, pheasants, huns and years ago when I was a kid I watched my Grandma whack chicken hawks out of the air with a mdl 37 win that were pestering her poultry. Here's a article about a guy that used a 410 on a grizzly in the am with a head lamp.danny
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#29 Post by gamekeeper » Mon Jun 10, 2019 5:13 pm

Thanks for the link BigSky, I'm not likely to see a Grizzly in my neck of the woods but it's nice to know a .410 ain't completely useless in such an encounter..
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#30 Post by Rusty » Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:13 pm

I'm guessing that taking a grizz with a .410 falls under the category of dumb luck.
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#31 Post by bikerbeans » Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:50 am

Carrying just a 410 in an area with Grizzly qualifies as stupid in my book.

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#32 Post by GunnyMack » Tue Jun 11, 2019 4:50 pm

I know of a black bear that was coming through a screen door getting a 3" 410 in the face didnt make it too far. That was about 25 years ago at our camp in Canada.
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#33 Post by Mike Armstrong » Thu Jun 13, 2019 10:37 pm

I recently handled a lever action .410 made by Henry Arms and was surprised by its balance (like a steel fence post driver) and weight (same).

This was the 20" barreled model with rifle sights. What was that thing designed for? I swang it around for a while and it just didn't feel like a shotgun at all. Had the dynamics of a Win '86, and not the lightweight models, either.

Are the models of lever action .410s formerly made by Marlin and Winchester that clumsy? This one needs AT LEAST a straight grip stock, a 26" lightweight tapered barrel, and a 3-shot "button" magazine to even remotely approach wing shooting ergonomics. And to lose the rifle sights....

Pretty clumsy even for a home-defense weapon, if one wanted it for that.

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#34 Post by Nath » Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:28 pm

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I recently handled a lever action .410 made by Henry Arms and was surprised by its balance (like a steel fence post driver) and weight (same).

This was the 20" barreled model with rifle sights. What was that thing designed for? I swang it around for a while and it just didn't feel like a shotgun at all. Had the dynamics of a Win '86, and not the lightweight models, either.

Are the models of lever action .410s formerly made by Marlin and Winchester that clumsy? This one needs AT LEAST a straight grip stock, a 26" lightweight tapered barrel, and a 3-shot "button" magazine to even remotely approach wing shooting ergonomics. And to lose the rifle sights....

Pretty clumsy even for a home-defense weapon, if one wanted it for that.
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I recently handled a lever action .410 made by Henry Arms and was surprised by its balance (like a steel fence post driver) and weight (same).

This was the 20" barreled model with rifle sights. What was that thing designed for? I swang it around for a while and it just didn't feel like a shotgun at all. Had the dynamics of a Win '86, and not the lightweight models, either.

Are the models of lever action .410s formerly made by Marlin and Winchester that clumsy? This one needs AT LEAST a straight grip stock, a 26" lightweight tapered barrel, and a 3-shot "button" magazine to even remotely approach wing shooting ergonomics. And to lose the rifle sights....

Pretty clumsy even for a home-defense weapon, if one wanted it for that.
I'm not so sure Henry intended for it to be a wing shooting gun, but as an all around farm/ranch/cabin/truck gun.
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#36 Post by Mike Armstrong » Fri Jun 14, 2019 11:43 am

Gunny, I would expect the 94 and 336-based .410 levers to be lighter and better balanced, as you found. given the price, weight, and balance of that model of Henry .410 I handled, I wouldn't expect much in the way of sales. Weight in a .45-70 CAN be an asset, if you want to spend some relatively comfortable range time with that cartridge. Weight in a .410 makes no sense to me, except in guns intended for clay pigeon games. And there are better truck guns, IMO.

NOT knocking Henry in general. MY single shot Henry .243 is a very useful rifle that performs 'way beyond its price, and is handsome in the bargain. I appreciate the company's producing traditional models right here in the USA! (Imagine that!)

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#37 Post by Rusty » Fri Jun 14, 2019 1:24 pm

Well I sent Mossberg an e-mail asking them if it was possible to order an M 500 with some enhanced features like upgraded wood... No way. They aren't interested.

I did find out though that Browning makes a BPS in .410 with all the features I was looking for. The main thing is the safety that is mounted on the tang rather than behind the trigger guard.
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#38 Post by jeepnik » Fri Jun 14, 2019 1:55 pm

My Mossy 500 sat ignored in a safe for years. I rediscovered it a while back. If one doesn't reload you'd go broke feeding it. Pulling the trigger is addicting.
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#39 Post by Bill in Oregon » Tue Jun 18, 2019 8:12 am

Well, I am blaming Nath for the Mossberg-built Western Auto Revelation single shot bolt gun headed my way. Now to cobble up a little reloading kit and order a roll crimper and some wads. I'm well stocked with narfs. 8)

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#40 Post by Nath » Tue Jun 18, 2019 1:10 pm

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Well, I am blaming Nath for the Mossberg-built Western Auto Revelation single shot bolt gun headed my way. Now to cobble up a little reloading kit and order a roll crimper and some wads. I'm well stocked with narfs. 8)
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#41 Post by Bill in Oregon » Tue Jun 18, 2019 1:35 pm

Nath, it won't be anywhere near as elegant as your Webley ...

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#42 Post by GunnyMack » Tue Jun 18, 2019 4:40 pm

I use narf's and only narf's in my 410. I don't roll crimp though. I converted my old MEC 700 from 12 to 410. I get all my little gun supplies from ballistic products.
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#43 Post by EdinCT » Tue Jun 18, 2019 6:44 pm

Ok I am late to the party again but have to ask, I see 3" # 4's loaded and wonder if they really are useful. All I can think of is maybe fox and raccoons in the hen's run for 20 yards max. Anyone use them ?

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#44 Post by gamekeeper » Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:57 am

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Ok I am late to the party again but have to ask, I see 3" # 4's loaded and wonder if they really are useful. All I can think of is maybe fox and raccoons in the hen's run for 20 yards max. Anyone use them ?
Good question, I've been trying to find some to see how they perform. I usually use 7s (can't get Narfs) but recently bought some 3" English size #5s they were very effective in my full choke Cooey, I've not tried them yet in the improved cylinder barrel of my O/U.
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#45 Post by Nath » Wed Jun 19, 2019 2:15 am

Never tried anything bigger than English #6 in 410.
I would expect #4 to be potent at 20yds, maybe more.

I am prepared for wing shooting so #4 may get a touch thin for that but stationary targets as suggested they maybe very good.
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#46 Post by GunnyMack » Wed Jun 19, 2019 5:04 am

I have at times used 4's , I'm not real impressed in a 2&1/2" shell. In 3" ya get a bit more shot. Yes they do work well on pheasants but I much prefer 5's in 3" but very hard to find. I use narf's in my imp cylinder and the 4's in the mod barrel.
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Re: 410

#47 Post by Rusty » Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:48 am

Being new to the world of 410s is there a reason to use 3" over 2.5"? I seem to remember some saying that a 3" will make a donut shaped pattern with a hole right in the middle.
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Re: 410

#48 Post by GunnyMack » Wed Jun 19, 2019 10:07 am

Rusty that's exactly the reason to try different loads. Of course pellet count goes up or down with either size.
I swear by open chokes for the 410. I have 2 410's, a High Standard Flite-King skeet gun and a CZ Bobwhite. The HS has fixed SKEET choke, I used 3" #5s on ducks before the non toxic stuff. The CZ is fixed IC and MOD and I used it for a whole season of pheasant hunting couple years ago.
For some reason the manufacturers put FULL chokes on loads of 410's and a 3" 11/16oz shot column trying to squeeze down a full choke is not ideal- that could be the cause of the doughnut patterns IMO.
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Re: 410

#49 Post by Rusty » Wed Jun 19, 2019 10:09 am

Sound reasoning Gunny, Thanks!
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Re: 410

#50 Post by bikerbeans » Wed Jun 19, 2019 10:34 am

I patterned my 500e 410 yesterday with win 3" 410 #4, 3/4 oz. My mossy has a 26" barrel with fixed FC. At 30 yards i had a dense enough pattern for a fox squirrel but i am going to contunue shooting tree rats with my handloaded #6s.

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