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Big Bore......

#1 Post by Ray » Sat Jun 01, 2019 7:12 am

Snub-Nosed Revolvers.....

I have several of them. I know that they are considered somewhat obsolete in this tactitard world but I often carry one or two when I go out and about.

What is the current consensus of the forum ?

I see even charter arms makes or has made a .41 magnum !
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#2 Post by Bill in Oregon » Sat Jun 01, 2019 8:22 am

I've been intrigued by the Charter Arms Bulldog since first reading about them in a Gun Digest article from the 1970s. Only thing that has held me back was the indifferent quality control over the years. Seems like there have been good ones and bad ones. Which big-bore snubbies are you packing, Ray?

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#3 Post by wm » Sat Jun 01, 2019 8:41 am

I carry a variety of handguns but the three I carry most often (which is to say 90% of the time) these days is a S&W 36 38 spl with 3" barrel, Charter Arms 44 spl Bulldog with 3" barrel, or S&W Shield which is in its own way is a snub nose.

They are all a compromise …… giving up barrel length and mass which degrades shootability and ballistic performance in order to gain in carry comfort and concealability. Obviously I think the trade off is worthwhile, otherwise I would carry larger firearms.

Everyone's circumstances is different …… body type, environment, expectations, etc. but I think the important thing is mind set. Being alert, mindful to avoid violent encounters, matters more then what iron you pack. Next in importance is mind set. If a violent encounter happens is your mind right to deal with it. So often you hear people who are assaulted say 'I couldn't believe it was happening. I just stood there and couldn't quite make myself believe it.'. And finally being confident and competent with the firearm you own. Owning a firearm doesn't make you a shooter any more then owning a guitar makes you a musician.

And finally shooting is a perishable skill. Practice it. Often.

That's my opinion based on my 52 years. Over thinking it sells a lot of bandwith and advertising but it really is pretty simple. YMMV

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#4 Post by Bill in Oregon » Sat Jun 01, 2019 8:57 am

WM, you are offering perfectly sound advice -- the same advice taught here in a two-day course and qualifying session for the New Mexico concealed carry license.
The defensive handgun is really a small part of the total "weapon" you must deploy in a violent encounter.
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#5 Post by gamekeeper » Sat Jun 01, 2019 9:10 am

wm your advice and experience makes perfect sense to me, however being a subject of the crown I'm denied the freedoms you enjoy, I rely on you guys for accurate opinions on such matters.
So, I was pleased to see Ray's post on Big Bore snubbies. I've always had a liking for revolvers rather than semi autos, the few semi autos I shot before they were banned over here never felt as reassuring as a big bore revolver did, to me anyway. Not that UK law would have allowed me to carry it I always intended to buy a Charter Arms Bulldog, too late now, can't have one at all.... :evil:
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#6 Post by JimT » Sat Jun 01, 2019 10:01 am

I had a 4" .45 Colt built by Gary Reeder some years ago. Carried it and hunted with it some. Not sure if that is a "snubby" but since I usually used a 7 1/2" it felt like one to me. :D

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#7 Post by Pete44ru » Sat Jun 01, 2019 10:10 am

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I've had several .41, .44 & .45 revolvers over the years, including S&W Models 1917, M-29's & a M-58, Ruger Blackhawk's, a bunch of various 1911's, and (in the 1970's) a Charter Arms Bull Dog.

I found both the S&W M-58 & the 70's Charter Bull Dog very uncomfortable to shoot - although both had no reliability issues.

The 1911's and the Ruger's went down the road for one reason or another (I gifted a Remington 1911R1 to my oldest Grandson on his 21'st B-day).

I finally settled on a newer (Y2K) .44 Bull Dog - which I find reliable, accurate, easy to carry, and comfortable to shoot.


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#8 Post by Bill in Oregon » Sat Jun 01, 2019 12:00 pm

Pete, that's interesting. What is it about the newer Bulldog that makes it a better choice?
I know that for a while there, the Bulldogs occasionally broke the beryllium copper fire pins.
I'm thinking a Lee .429-200RF at 750 out of a Bulldog would be reasonable to shoot and still carry some oomph.
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#9 Post by Pete44ru » Sat Jun 01, 2019 1:34 pm

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I don't know exactly what's different, Bill, beyond the rubber bumpers and the fact that's it's stainless ILO blued carbon steel.

I do think the later BD sights are better, though.

I didn't have any reliability or accuracy issues with either my 1970's blued BD or this stainless Y2K version.

I do believe, however, that CA issues are really just passed on by non-buyers, and any stated/published CA issues are overblown by a minority of actual buyers that do have an issue - after all, it's the noisy wheel that gets the most grease. :mrgreen:

The internet has IMO helped to spread both good and bad news, wider & faster than prior years - and so I much prefer to make my own decisions and actually buy/try.

If whatever turns out to be less than I thought, it's easy enough to move it on down the road with very little loss (and sometimes a profit ;) ).


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#10 Post by Sixgun » Sat Jun 01, 2019 3:42 pm

I've carried all of these at one time or another......642 Smith at top.....Colt New Service Target 45 Colt....Colt Det. Spl .38....one of a handful Smith 629's with fixed sights and the Colt Single Action Slip Gun .45 very possibly used by Elmer Keith in 1928. With normal loads the big bores are easy to handle.----6

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#11 Post by wm » Sat Jun 01, 2019 4:57 pm

Sixgun …… how do you like the 642? I'm thinking of ordering a 442 as a back pocket sort of carry gun.

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#12 Post by Sixgun » Sat Jun 01, 2019 5:44 pm

Wm,
You know the old saying......."you may have a lot of guns but only use a few of them....or something like that. :D My 642 is my "ALWAYS" gun as Sheriff Jim Wilson says. I changed the grips to a smooth laminate and oven/epoxied the frame OD green. This thing glides out of my pocket...front or back.....rides well in my Carhart jacket and it (if I ever have to) can shoot right through the pocket with no worry of a malfunction. I have logged 1400 rounds out of it and she's still tight. Must have been dropped 50 times as it's always with me and takes the same tumbles as I do.

My duty load is a soft swaged 200 grain round nose with the round nose flattened out and is loaded to almost exactly 600 fps.....duplicates the old English 38/200 load which is well known to be an excellent stopper.

Some guys here don't like me because of my attitude towards cheap foreign guns. I've seen it all...I shoot my working guns, not a box a year then polish it up and neatly put it away......the cheapie Taurus and Rossi's (not all...hit or miss) last several hundred rounds before problems kick up. A gun is life insurance....I've seen the others hang up and guns can sense stress...yes...they can sense it.......and you don't need a malfunction because you wanted to save $100 so you can go out to dinner on a Saturday night....Buy Smith & Wesson, Colt, or Ruger.......I don't know enough about semi automatics to talk about them...except Colt 1911's.--6..... yes...I recommend the 442 you talked about.
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#13 Post by piller » Sat Jun 01, 2019 6:41 pm

Of course, a double action revolver without a hammer spur is going to be easy to draw or shoot through the jacket pocket. What you are going to trust with your life should be of top quality. Are you going to trust your car's brakes to Jimmy Joe's car repair and landscaping services?

I am not a fan of Smith & Wesson, and I like Ruger. I am not saying anything bad about S&W. They just do not fit me. The SP101s fit me, and PillHer can make the range personnel look up when she makes little tiny groups with her .327 Federal caliber SP101. She usually gets some questions about where she learned to shoot.

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#14 Post by Paladin » Sun Jun 02, 2019 1:41 pm

I am fond of 3in (a couple of shorter) revolvers and almost added photos of a couple of 4 in revolvers that I carry often. Lots of Rattlesnakes at the AZ house and the Alaska house has wolves and bears that have shown up a few times so LARGE bore is a good thing. A couple of .44s and .357s (,38 went with the divorce).22 Mag in AZ works well.
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#15 Post by wm » Sun Jun 02, 2019 2:54 pm

I have the brother USPS Inspector revolver to yours. I don't carry it often but it is one of my favorites.

THe Ruger Speed/Secuirty/Service Six line was a darn fine group. I understand why Ruger discontinued it but ……………. I am always on the look out for another one.

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#16 Post by 30-30 » Thu Jun 06, 2019 11:04 pm

this is an interesting post... went to a LEO briefing last week, the topic was "reaction vs action" in a OIS (officer involved shooting). We talked about how one needs to be prepared mentally to exchange fire, especially during a traffic stop or a DV (domestic violence). We talked about a couple of ambush incidents that have taken place recently, which resulted in the death or the wounding of an LEO.

The FBI has recently determined that if you come under fire from an individual that your chances of hitting the suspect with return fire is 17% (reaction). The chances of the suspect (who initiated the attack) hitting you is 60% (action). We had an interesting discussion among 25 LEO's. We ended our discussion when an LEO, who is a retired Marine and combat veteran, reminded us that we should greet everyone with a smile, and have a plan to kill everyone we meet (in some ways good advise). Not sure if the Admin will allow this sort of tactical thinking within our policy manual.

I use to be a big revolver guy, especially snub-nose...but now I'm strictly an auto guy, simply due to the capacity and quick reloading ability of a semi-auto pistol... :)

WM is right on the money..."And finally shooting is a perishable skill. Practice it. Often." -- I practice with my hand-guns almost every week, even when it rains, snows, or is hot...

My always gun at this point is a S&W M&P Shield M2.0 in 9mm...w/ 2 spare mags...
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#17 Post by Bill in Oregon » Fri Jun 07, 2019 8:24 am

Had the Shield in .45 and traded it toward a Ruger 1911. Of course, the 1911 was just too big.
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#18 Post by Walker » Fri Jun 07, 2019 9:41 pm

My recently retired LEO cousin carries a glock 41. I had these set up with old guy defense in mind. Both in 45 colt.
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#19 Post by piller » Fri Jun 07, 2019 11:42 pm

.45 Colt in a concealable revolver sounds good. It should be able to handle most interpersonal crisis situations.
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#20 Post by wolfdog » Sat Jun 08, 2019 8:17 am

I have had a couple of "big bore" carry revolvers one was an older Charter arms 44 bulldog(before the barrel under lug) that I shot thousands of rounds with without a hiccup, I had a 200 grain JHP load over Unique that was very accurate and effective on the pig I shot with it. Over was a Ruger 44 Blackhawk that I bought at a pawnshop for cheap. Someone who knew their stuff had cut the barrel down to the length of the ejector housing, made the sights and hammer more snag free, and put a Bisley style grip frame on it. Shot the same load as the Charter Arms very well but was a handful with full power loads. One firearm I really regret parting ways with as I will probably never see another like it. I also had a 2 5/8th inch Ruger Service 6 that I loved but loaned to a friend and she liked it so much I could never get it back. The only snub nose I have now is a Taurus Stainless M85 that I have about 1000 rounds downrange with no issues but most of those have been fairly light plinking loads with maybe 100 stout loads. I think I will look into the
Charter Arms 41 as I am a big fan of the 41 and was happy with the Bulldog.

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#21 Post by M. M. Wright » Sat Jun 08, 2019 9:24 pm

Here's my old 1917, 45ACP. I use Wilson full moons because they work and lots others don't. I put the grips and Tyler T on it. Load is 200 grain XTP.
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#22 Post by Ray » Sat Jun 08, 2019 11:51 pm

Bill in Oregon wrote:
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I've been intrigued by the Charter Arms Bulldog since first reading about them in a Gun Digest article from the 1970s. Only thing that has held me back was the indifferent quality control over the years. Seems like there have been good ones and bad ones. Which big-bore snubbies are you packing, Ray?
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#23 Post by guido4198 » Sun Jun 09, 2019 4:48 am

38 Sp. is sufficiently "Big Bore" for my concealed carry needs. I've found a Smith & Wesson 642 loaded with good quality +P ammo to be just about a perfect choice.
Slipped in a pocket, or carried in a Don Hume JIT it's the ONE that's on me all the time. I have lots of other choices, and if my state ever legalizes open carry, I'll change my EDC gun, but for now...the 642 makes the most sense because it's ON ME when I might need it and that makes it a better choice than the most awesome 20 shot tacti-cool guar-an-teed fight stopper I own...that's in a drawer at home.

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#24 Post by 2ndovc » Sun Jun 09, 2019 4:51 pm

I carry the Speed Six and 442 quite often, but not as much as the 9mm Shield or the Sig 238. I pack the Officer's ACP a lot in the winter because I can hide it better, that or the S&W 610 go with me if I know I'm going to the East Side of Clev. for business. I haven't carried the Remington yet, haven't put enough rounds through it, but so far it's a good shooter and has fed everyting I've tried.

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