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I just saw that the 1895 is back.

#1 Post by piller » Sat May 18, 2019 8:57 pm

My July issue of Shooting Times says that the 1895 is back in production. .405 Winchester was tested, and 30-06 is listed as available. Price was just a little over $1100, so it is not cheap. However, that is lower than a used one in good condition. Considering the amount of work that goes into a rifle like that, the price seems reasonable. I think I need to start saving my lunch money for one in 30-06. Or, maybe one in .405 instead. I am sure I can find something to shoot that is worthy of Teddy Roosevelt's Big Medicine caliber. A low power pistol scope to fit in the slot for the rear sight would sound ideal for 100 yards or a few more. My aging eyes are not quite good enough for tight work at 100 yards, but a .405 with a 2.5 to 4 power long eye relief scope should be able to take anything from deer or pig up to Cape Buffalo.
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#2 Post by barbarossa » Sat May 18, 2019 10:35 pm

I have one of the miroku 95 carbines in 30/06 and like it a lot and would luv to have one in 303 british

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#3 Post by Ray Newman » Sat May 18, 2019 10:46 pm

Would not mind having a M95 in .30-40 in the vault.
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#4 Post by Ray » Sat May 18, 2019 10:47 pm

Maybe steve hornady will read this and order his peoples to run some .405 ammo.

And maybe some 220 gr. .375"

And perhaps some more of the 150 products they discontinued in 2012-2013.
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#5 Post by Sixgun » Sat May 18, 2019 11:03 pm

Piller....you will enjoy the '06 a whole lot more........very versatile in loading and components are everywhere......the 405 will get old real quick. ...expensive to shoot and as we all shoot our guns a whole lot more than hunting with them, you'll see what I mean. I've owned and shot almost all of them in originals......the 405 was my least favorite...didn't own it..just shot it. The 35 is much more versatile as it's the 405 necked down and you can shoot cheap pistol bullets. The 30-40 and the '06 are the best.....in my view.----6
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#6 Post by Griff » Sat May 18, 2019 11:26 pm

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And maybe some 220 gr. .375"
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#7 Post by jhrosier » Sun May 19, 2019 1:07 am

A Model 1895 musket in 7.62x53mm would be worth lusting after.

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#8 Post by Plottman » Sun May 19, 2019 6:39 am

They are nice, I have an 06, Miroku with a peep sight, works very well, Made very well, I can not find an original I can afford, but am still looking for one in 06. I have a question for the guys with the originals with the scalloped stock, do you prefer that to the shotgun / straight cut stock?

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#9 Post by crs » Sun May 19, 2019 7:12 am

Piller,
Peter Richards on this forum has an 1895 .405 with a scout scope and 86er and I have shot it - it works very well. That setup could work well with any 1895 caliber with QD rings and factory irons.

Six - Opinions differ on the versatility of the 1895 .405, but I just want to remind folks that the 210 grain bullets for the .41 mag pistol work well in the .405 rifle and can be loaded slow for plinking or warmer for deer, hogs and such. I have done that and the recoil is not significant. What you say about availability of loaded ammo and brass is true though.

As an aside, some recent posts on other sites about the 400 Whelen motivated me to research that cartridge and some other cartridges from 9.3 through .41 caliber rifles. What I found was that the .405 WCF is equal to or just barely exceeded in velocity with 300 grain bullets. Of course the .416 magnum rifles shoot 400 grain bullets at 200 or more FPS faster and provide for longer range shots, but for most hunting ranges, the .405 WCF is hard to beat for larger game. As I have previously documented, the 1895 .405 can be hand loaded to take large dangerous game with either NF 300 or Woodleigh 400 grain bullets.

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#10 Post by Sixgun » Sun May 19, 2019 9:59 am

CRS.....well said......forgot about the 41 mag bullets............I was thinking from a "this or that choice" .......ahhh, what the heck, buy one in each caliber.---6


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#11 Post by piller » Sun May 19, 2019 12:56 pm

I already have a Rem 700 in 30-06. I am leaning toward the .405 just because it is different.
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#12 Post by Sixgun » Sun May 19, 2019 1:07 pm

piller wrote:
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I already have a Rem 700 in 30-06. I am leaning toward the .405 just because it is different.
Ok.....I get it.....your leaning towards the cartridge more than the rifle. It sure is different and most certainly nostalgic....I've always trusted my gut feeling and throwing out practicality, especially when you already have an example of this or that...go for the mighty one!----6
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#13 Post by piller » Sun May 19, 2019 2:18 pm

The 30-06 is a great caliber and it would be as good as anyone could ask for in the 1895, but I only have a .45-70 Guide Gun for anything larger than a 30-06 would be my choice for. I am leaning toward the heavy caliber. I have a chance coming up for a job that is Monday through Friday. If I get it, I am hoping to get to the range more often. I need to go back to the .22 for a while. Last week I got 1100 rounds of Federal .22lr for $45.00. Still, I am looking at a heavy caliber.
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#14 Post by barbarossa » Sun May 19, 2019 2:31 pm

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#15 Post by BlaineG » Sun May 19, 2019 5:58 pm

With that curved metal butt, I shot about one box of Hornady 300s in mine and put it into the safe for lots of years until I met someone who wanted it. If I didn't have a nice .444 I might have had it cut and a nice PPad put on it. Brutal.
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#16 Post by Scrumbag » Wed May 22, 2019 2:21 pm

Interesting option for an 1895.

The guy who owns this 1895 is Finnish and I think it is chambered in 7.62x53r

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It's a custom mount for an Aimpoint H-1 (2?) that fits in the rear right block. Interesting eh?

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#17 Post by Marlin32 » Thu May 23, 2019 6:52 pm

I guess I would be the oddball and wish they would chamber it for the 35Winchester.
Like that aim point gadget, doesn't look right, but for those of us with "no more open sights" eyes, might be practical.

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#18 Post by kaschi » Thu May 23, 2019 8:37 pm

I like the 35 Winchester idea too, but what would really ring my bell would be a 303 British as someone else has mentioned. Some people have had their 30-06 95s rebored to 35 Whelen which is kinda like a 35 Winchester..., but from a nostalgic point of view, it isn't the same. Isn't splitting hairs fun?

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#19 Post by Bill in Oregon » Fri May 24, 2019 8:00 am

I'm with you, too, Marlin. The .35 Winchester has always really intrigued me. I think it would make a fabulous cast bullet cartridge.

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#20 Post by yooper2 » Fri May 24, 2019 8:15 pm

Agree on the 35 Winchester. Ken Waters had one made up on a Browning, think it was just a rebored 30-40 Krag. He did a write up on it in one of his Pet Loads columns.


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#21 Post by Sixgun » Fri May 24, 2019 9:38 pm

OK....who wants a 35 Winchester Model 1895?.....I got a nice one here that's the scarce takedown with the scarce shotgun butt with the even rarer hard rubber butt plate. Bright shiney bore.....solid rifle.....excellent shooter with jacketed or cast.....solid 70% gun. $3200...more than fair....comes with brass and dies

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#22 Post by Old Savage » Sat May 25, 2019 4:24 am

Wow Six, rare stuff.

crs has a 405, iconic rifle, Big Medicine. Like to see him take more stuff hares to hair raising with it. .41 pistol bullets - interesting. Could qualify as Gun Digests One Good Gun.
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#23 Post by Rusty » Sat May 25, 2019 11:58 pm

I've always thought the '95 in .30-40 was the most historic version since they left Tampa with the Rough Ridders to go to Cuba. From a practical point of view I can see where the '06 would be the way to go.
Downloaded with cast bullets, that rifle in '06 would shoot forever.
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#24 Post by yooper2 » Tue May 28, 2019 8:02 pm

Sixgun wrote:
Fri May 24, 2019 9:38 pm
OK....who wants a 35 Winchester Model 1895?.....I got a nice one here that's the scarce takedown with the scarce shotgun butt with the even rarer hard rubber butt plate. Bright shiney bore.....solid rifle.....excellent shooter with jacketed or cast.....solid 70% gun. $3200...more than fair....comes with brass and dies

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Wow Jack, nice rifle though well out of my range!


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#25 Post by Sixgun » Tue May 28, 2019 8:35 pm

Thanks Eric.....you ought to see the 95 takedown in '06 that's here....looks like it left the factory this morning but it was in 1917.
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#26 Post by HawkCreek » Tue May 28, 2019 10:37 pm

Miroku makes a darn fine Winchester clone. I'll be looking to add a .405 to my collection since I already have a .30-06 and two .30-40 Krags.

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#27 Post by peter richards » Thu May 30, 2019 11:58 pm

They sure work well on Buffalos’.
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#28 Post by BigSky56 » Fri May 31, 2019 2:20 pm

There's a guy Ray Lewis on the show the Last Alaskans that uses a 95 in 35 win for moose & bear and walking about. Loaded up it would work on anything. danny

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#29 Post by elmo123 » Mon Jun 03, 2019 5:56 am

I bought one in .270 about 20 years ago that I still have. At that time they weren't that popular.

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#30 Post by lthardman » Tue Jun 04, 2019 8:51 pm

I shoot an original take down version in .30-06. I actually had it reblued a couple years ago because it already had a replaced barrel so the receiver and barrell did not match. So now all the metal surfaces match. My gun, my choice. But getting a new one in .405 sounds appealing.
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#31 Post by vancelw » Wed Jun 05, 2019 11:01 am

elmo123 wrote:
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I bought one in .270 about 20 years ago that I still have. At that time they weren't that popular.
The .270 ones are the highest priced right now.
They were so unpopular that the unsold ones got rebarrelled to .405, so the existing .270s became scarce.
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#32 Post by piller » Wed Jun 05, 2019 11:33 am

So far, I haven't seen one in a store. I really want to look over the fit and finish before I buy it. I probably won't shoot it a lot simply due to not having a lot of opportunity to hunt anymore. The lower powered loads using .41 mag bullets sound well matched for deer and wild pigs. I have a .30-30 and a .35 Remington levergun. Both of those are more accurate than I am, and they are just fine for deer and wild pigs. Just saying that need is not the reason. I just want one, and it sounds as if it would be fun. I am also looking for one of those funny side levers in .375 Ruger. I am saving up to go back to Africa, and want to do it before I get too old. I turn 54 in less than a week, so I still have time. I just want it to be as enjoyable as last time, and getting close enough to in shape as I can get will help. Taking a .375 caliber and a .405 caliber is my goal. Now I just have to do my part and reach that goal.
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#33 Post by AJMD429 » Wed Jun 05, 2019 4:55 pm

"I am also looking for one of those funny side levers in .375 Ruger. I am saving up to go back to Africa, and want to do it before I get too old. I turn 54 in less than a week, so I still have time. I just want it to be as enjoyable as last time, and getting close enough to in shape as I can get will help. Taking a .375 caliber and a .405 caliber is my goal. Now I just have to do my part and reach that goal."

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#34 Post by 1895 flatside » Fri Jun 07, 2019 9:17 am

I collect original 1895's and have multiples of each caliber. While I don't have any modern reproductions, I do hunt mule deer with a 35 WCF and antelope with a 30-06 TD on my ranch in Oregon. The 405 isn't a lot of fun to shoot with full power loads, but can be loaded down. Buffalo Arms even sells a "cowboy action" 405 cartridge that is pleasant to shoot.

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#35 Post by Bill in Oregon » Fri Jun 07, 2019 9:26 am

Wow, Flatside, hunting eastern Oregon mulies with a .35 Winchester. Doesn't get much cooler than that!
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#36 Post by crs » Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:27 am

1895 Flatside,
The factory Hornady 300 grain loads are "big medicine" for most game, but recoil takes on a new meaning with my 400 grain DG hand loads at 2070 fps. Like many things in life, I got used to them and they do the job when needed.
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#37 Post by kaschi » Fri Jun 07, 2019 9:14 pm

@csr:
That thick recoil pad on your 95 looks like it would help take out some of the recoil!

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#38 Post by piller » Fri Jun 07, 2019 11:35 pm

I have Gun Genie set to send me an email when it is in stock. Only .405 and .30-06 to be produced this time. PillHer is fine with me getting it.
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