1849 Pocket Navy "Magnum" conversion?

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1849 Pocket Navy "Magnum" conversion?

#1 Post by Tactical Lever » Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:34 pm

Hankering after a small revolver, and wanted a 1849 for a while now. But the power is a bit on the low side. I see that the 1862 is billed as a "pocket model" in .36, but I hear that the frames are bigger?


I was also wondering about conversions, as sometimes I just want to play around without a big clean up after.


I think a 62 with a 38 Spl conversion would be pretty cool if they are small, or maybe a 49 with something like a 32 H&R conversion. Has anyone tried it? Is there enough metal? Does cylinder length play into it?


On a side note, I've always wanted a Bearcat too, and just like pistols scaled to the smaller rounds. Saw one converted to .327 Federal on the Gunblast site
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#2 Post by AJMD429 » Tue Apr 09, 2019 10:49 pm

Wow, I would think a bearcat would be too small to safely handle the high pressures in a 327 Federal....maybe 32-20 'vintage-level' loads though..... 8)
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Re: 1849 Pocket Navy "Magnum" conversion?

#3 Post by Hawkeye2 » Tue Apr 09, 2019 11:59 pm

The 62 Pocket models have the same size frame as the 49s but use a rebated cylinder like a 60 Army to achieve the .36 caliber. They are way too small for any .38 conversion however Cimaron is susposed to be bringing one on the market chambered for .380 ACP which in my opinion is pushing the envelope. The 49 and the 62 pocket can be converted to .32 S&W (not .32 S&W long) with a conversion cylinder but the 62 would need the barel sleeved to .32. These guns aren't strong enough to handle much more than the .32 S&W or about 20 grains of 3f max if you can get that much in the cylinder.

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Re: 1849 Pocket Navy "Magnum" conversion?

#4 Post by Sixgun » Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:36 am

Why the 32 mag? The 32 Long would be perfect.......this is an original '62 Colt Police next to a Ruger Single Six .22.---6

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Re: 1849 Pocket Navy "Magnum" conversion?

#5 Post by Tactical Lever » Fri Apr 12, 2019 6:39 am

Sixgun wrote:
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Why the 32 mag? The 32 Long would be perfect.......this is an original '62 Colt Police next to a Ruger Single Six .22.---6

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Just looking for more punch in a old style BP looking gun. The arbitrary bench mark is enough punch to put the lights out of a big bull beef with a shot in the forehead. I know a lot of them have been put away by the .22 LR out of a rifle. And looking for a good boost over .22 and maybe a couple times the penetration potential.
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#6 Post by .45colt » Fri Apr 12, 2019 7:10 am

You need a Ruger Blackhawk 32-20, they are small and heavy but built like a tank . You could re- load to kill T Rex with one.

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#7 Post by Sixgun » Fri Apr 12, 2019 11:05 am

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Just looking for more punch in a old style BP looking gun. The arbitrary bench mark is enough punch to put the lights out of a big bull beef with a shot in the forehead. I know a lot of them have been put away by the .22 LR out of a rifle. And looking for a good boost over .22 and maybe a couple times the penetration potential.
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Something about the penetration of the little .22...to beat it you have to go to big bores with power using hard cast bullets. We've killed a few with heavy loaded 44 Spl's and .357's....they work great...but....theres just no need for all that noise in a little room....---6
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Re: 1849 Pocket Navy "Magnum" conversion?

#8 Post by Tactical Lever » Thu Apr 18, 2019 9:28 pm

Well I think I'm limited to a 62 for maximum punch without a lot of custom work for a 49, and possibly pushing it too hard. Kind of wanted a cartridge gun as I don't fool around with BP much because of clean up.

Kind of switched focus (for now), and will probably pick up a Uberti Stallion in .38. It's pretty neat little package.
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Re: 1849 Pocket Navy "Magnum" conversion?

#9 Post by Ray Newman » Fri Apr 19, 2019 3:08 pm

As seen on page 55, Spring 2019 issue of the Black Powder Cartridge News, Cimarron Firearms advertises/announces a 1862 Colt Pocket Navy Conversion, 6" barrel, 5 shot, .380 ACP.

However, nothing about it on the Cimarron home page....
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#10 Post by Hawkeye2 » Sat Apr 20, 2019 4:45 pm

They announced it last year and have missed one or two delivery times. Allegedly it had some (safety?) problems that had to be dressed one time. If and when, no time soon, you see it it won't be cheap.

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#11 Post by M. M. Wright » Sun Apr 21, 2019 8:48 pm

Some loadings of the 380 ACP are nothing to sneeze at. Last fall I had to dispatch a young buck hung in a fence. He was still quite active but the coyotes had eaten a hole out of his rectum and one ham. Used my 51 Remington and a 90 grain XTP. Put the bullet about halfway between the eye and ear, (profile) and he dropped straight down. I suspect the 62 would have had the same results with a 36 round ball and a chamber full of fffg. Sweetest little pistol I own. Mine's a 2nd gen Colt, NIB. I need to fix that.
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Re: 1849 Pocket Navy "Magnum" conversion?

#12 Post by Tactical Lever » Sat Apr 27, 2019 2:07 pm

Ray Newman wrote:
Fri Apr 19, 2019 3:08 pm
As seen on page 55, Spring 2019 issue of the Black Powder Cartridge News, Cimarron Firearms advertises/announces a 1862 Colt Pocket Navy Conversion, 6" barrel, 5 shot, .380 ACP.

However, nothing about it on the Cimarron home page....
Saw that one. A bit pricey. And looks a little unfinished. Not a fan of the long barrel on either.

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Re: 1849 Pocket Navy "Magnum" conversion?

#13 Post by Tactical Lever » Sat Apr 27, 2019 2:08 pm

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Some loadings of the 380 ACP are nothing to sneeze at. Last fall I had to dispatch a young buck hung in a fence. He was still quite active but the coyotes had eaten a hole out of his rectum and one ham. Used my 51 Remington and a 90 grain XTP. Put the bullet about halfway between the eye and ear, (profile) and he dropped straight down. I suspect the 62 would have had the same results with a 36 round ball and a chamber full of fffg. Sweetest little pistol I own. Mine's a 2nd gen Colt, NIB. I need to fix that.
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#14 Post by Ysabel Kid » Sat Apr 27, 2019 5:56 pm

I'm trying to understand how you run a .380 ACP (.355" diameter) through a .36-caliber blackpowder C&B revolver (bore diameter .375") without a sleeve and expect any kind of accuracy? :?: I must be missing something.

Kirst Konveters is advertising a 6-shot conversion for the 1851 Navy or 1861 Navy. Granted, this is bigger than the 1862 revolvers (Pocket Navy or Pocket Police), but the bore issue should remain...
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#15 Post by Hawkeye2 » Sat Apr 27, 2019 9:53 pm

The Uberti 1862 Pocket Police in .380 is not a conversion of their existing '62 but rather a new gun from the ground up so the bore will be correct for the cartridge.

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Re: 1849 Pocket Navy "Magnum" conversion?

#16 Post by 765x53 » Sat Apr 27, 2019 10:27 pm

Tactical Lever wrote:
Tue Apr 09, 2019 8:34 pm
Hankering after a small revolver, and wanted a 1849 for a while now. But the power is a bit on the low side. I see that the 1862 is billed as a "pocket model" in .36, but I hear that the frames are bigger?


I was also wondering about conversions, as sometimes I just want to play around without a big clean up after.


I think a 62 with a 38 Spl conversion would be pretty cool if they are small, or maybe a 49 with something like a 32 H&R conversion. Has anyone tried it? Is there enough metal? Does cylinder length play into it?


On a side note, I've always wanted a Bearcat too, and just like pistols scaled to the smaller rounds. Saw one converted to .327 Federal on the Gunblast site
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#17 Post by Nate Kiowa Jones » Tue Apr 30, 2019 11:59 pm

I got this Wells Fargo version just to convert.

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The CAS shooters will buy the old top breaks for the pocket pistol side matches. I think this is faster slip hammer style and easier to keep on target compared to double action
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#18 Post by Hawkeye2 » Wed May 01, 2019 9:17 am

Nate that really looks nice. I have an 1969 dated ASM '49 that I have been thinking about converting. I don't know if the conversion cylinder for the Uberti will work but I guess I can take it by Taylor's next time I go to town. I have everything I need to load .32 S&W, just need to take the time to do so. I own several top breaks I could use but the Colt has more class.

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#19 Post by Rimfire McNutjob » Wed May 01, 2019 9:37 am

And here I am still waiting for Smith and Wesson to make a 16-5 in 327 Federal. :)
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#20 Post by Tactical Lever » Fri Jul 12, 2019 5:52 am

Nate Kiowa Jones wrote:
Tue Apr 30, 2019 11:59 pm
I got this Wells Fargo version just to convert.

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The CAS shooters will buy the old top breaks for the pocket pistol side matches. I think this is faster slip hammer style and easier to keep on target compared to double action
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Re: 1849 Pocket Navy "Magnum" conversion?

#21 Post by Pete44ru » Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:21 am

AJMD429 wrote:
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Wow, I would think a bearcat would be too small to safely handle the high pressures in a 327 Federal....maybe 32-20 'vintage-level' loads though..... 8)

FWIW, Alan Harton and David Clements (to name only two gunsmiths) have done safe .32H&R and .327Fed Ruger Bearcat conversions

(google: "ruger bearcat .32 conversion")

There are a few special procedures involve to insure safety, like an extra-small FP in a tight-fitting bushing, special throating, etc, etc.

YMMV, but I wouldn't want a Colt (type) open-top revolver of any size converted to any .32 CF cartridge (especially the small frame .31cal M1849 & .36cal M1862) - but "might" take a chance on a C&B revolver with a top strap so converted.

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#22 Post by Hawkeye2 » Fri Jul 12, 2019 4:45 pm

Cimaron's 62 pocket Navy in .380 is avaliable now (finally). It's a little pricey at $570.70 though. A 6" barrel but it wouldn't be difficult to shorten.

https://www.cimarron-firearms.com/guns- ... 6-1-2.html

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#23 Post by Hawkeye2 » Fri Jul 12, 2019 4:48 pm

Cimaron's 62 pocket Navy in .380 is avaliable now (finally). It's a little pricey at $570.70 though. A 6" barrel but it wouldn't be difficult to shorten.

https://www.cimarron-firearms.com/guns- ... 6-1-2.html

Uberti lists it with a 3.5" barrel but I don't know if it's avaliable yet.

https://www.ubertireplicas.com/product/ ... onversion/

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