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New Zealand shooting.

#1 Post by AJMD429 » Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:53 am

This article claims New Zealand's gun laws are "considered more relaxed than many other countries outside the United States..." :roll:

https://www.smh.com.au/world/oceania/on ... 514l6.html

Thst say that is because the 'majority' of guns there are not registered. Yeah, but their laws SUCK, if you read through the article. It is a typical "gun ownership by permission and after background check only" nation, from what the article said. "Self defense is not considered a proper reason to own a firearm".....sorry but I don't consider that kind of government legitimate, and would expect sensible citizens to overthrow it forthwith. But they won't; even in the U.S. I'd bet that we have become too docile to push back at laws like that, even at the ballot box - it sure holds true in a bunch of states like Illinois and New Jersey and California. I guess even in New Mexico the laws are not gun-friendly.

I guess if the laws in New Zealand were more strict, the heavily armed (both bombs and guns) terrorists would have decided not to kill all those people, because they either couldn't figure out how to evade the law and get guns anyway, or would have decided that although they were comfortable committing mass murder of innocents, they weren't comfortable breaking gun laws..... :roll:

Wouldn't it be MORE sensible and logical for the 'journalist' to note that concealed carry, or even possession of a gun outside the home 'for self defense' is prohibited....?
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#2 Post by gamekeeper » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:38 am

My son GKjr recently came back from 12 months in NZ, he was pleased to find that unlike the UK there seemed to be a more relaxed attitude to firearms. He had a visitors gun licence and was able to use rifles and shotguns for hunting.
I agree with the Doc. the law that denies owning a firearm for self defense goes against human rights when people who do not obey any laws are the threat.
I guess if my son returns to NZ he won't find the relaxed attitude anymore, it will be no different to the UK, thanks to knee jerk politics.
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#3 Post by Old No7 » Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:04 am

gamekeeper wrote:
Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:38 am
I agree with the Doc. the law that denies owning a firearm for self defense goes against human rights when people who do not obey any laws are the threat.
Amen. I have to agree.

The human right to self defense is not decreed, yay or nay, by any government -- it is GOD GIVEN.

This is an excerpt from the "Freedom and The Second Amendment" essay I once wrote (as referenced in my signature line)... It starts with "Take that, and I'll use this..." comments going from rifles, to handguns, to shotguns, to bows & arrows and ends up with...

"Take those, and I will defend our freedom with my arms,

With my legs, with my blood, and with my Faith in God above.

When there’s nothing left to take, I will defend our freedom with my life."


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#4 Post by Bill in Oregon » Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:22 am

This seems to be the specimen responsible. Do you see a face all twisted up with hate? He reminds me of Norway's nightmare, Anders Brievik.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-47579243

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#5 Post by BlaineG » Fri Mar 15, 2019 11:05 am

This is a good time to remind people that in spite of the death and outrage Islam has foisted upon the USA, this country is still the very safest place in the world for Muslims. Period. One would think that the Muslims in this country would start to repay the consideration instead of demanding that we adopt the laws that forced them out of their old country. :evil: What a pox on the world Islam has been. :evil:
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#6 Post by Ray » Fri Mar 15, 2019 2:07 pm

In our sunday/sabbath schools we are taught to love GOD, our neighbor, and even to pray for our enemies......

In their's, they are in the third jihad with billions of kaffirs to slay (original use of the word-arabic = infidels) .

When once europe and the other areas that were once conquered during the second jihad are recaptured, then the plan is for a fourth jihad on the western hemisphere. Already millions centered in toronto and our midwest. This is real !
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#7 Post by AJMD429 » Fri Mar 15, 2019 8:00 pm

Wow, I'm relieved....I thought it was MY fault, since I belong to the NRA, and THEY are usually the cause of violent crime.

CNN has figured out that is it NOT my fault, it is indeed Donald Trump's fault....!

Breitbart aided him, of course, along with all the other 'right-wing' (i.e. anything non-Marxist) culprits....

https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/201 ... w-zealand/

If they just had MORE 'reasonable' gun control laws, this clearly would NOT have happened....

per https://www.breitbart.com/2nd-amendment ... -massacre/

"The University of Sydney’s GunPolicy.org describes New Zealand’s gun control as “restrictive,” because owning guns in that nation is not a guaranteed right but a privilege extended by the government.

Moreover, before legally owning a gun, residents must acquire a license. The acquisition of that license involves passage of a background check that “considers criminal, mental health, medical, addiction and domestic violence records.” Third party references must also be provided to authorities during the license procurement process and interviews are conducted with the applicant’s immediate family.

Even after licensing, New Zealanders cannot buy a handgun or “military style” semiautomatic without providing an acceptable explanation for why they want such a firearm. Additionally, those firearms must be registered with the central government upon acquisition.

It is illegal to sell a gun to anyone without a license, which means the background checks for license acquisition are universal; they cover all gun sales and transfers. And in the event that an individual is buying a gun from a friend or neighbor instead of retail, “the buyer… is obliged to pass official background checks before taking possession.” Also, “the number and type of firearms which can be sold by a licensed gun dealer to a single gun owner is limited to one pistol, military style semi-automatic firearm, or restricted firearm per acquisition permit.”

Further, gun show sales are highly regulated in New Zealand."
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#8 Post by JerryB » Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:36 pm

It will be interesting to see what our members from there have to say.
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#9 Post by FWiedner » Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:18 pm

BlaineG wrote:
Fri Mar 15, 2019 11:05 am
This is a good time to remind people that in spite of the death and outrage Islam has foisted upon the USA, this country is still the very safest place in the world for Muslims. Period. One would think that the Muslims in this country would start to repay the consideration instead of demanding that we adopt the laws that forced them out of their old country. :evil: What a pox on the world Islam has been. :evil:
Muslims don't come here to be safe. They don't come here be Americans. They don't believe in our way of life.

They come here to spread jihad. They come here to grow the vast army that they have already infiltrated inside our borders. They come here with the ultimate goal of removing anyone who does not believe or behave as they do.

The come here because we are stupid enough to let them.

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#10 Post by gamekeeper » Sat Mar 16, 2019 5:16 am

Quote from New Zealand prime minister, I PROMISE OUR GUN LAWS ARE GOING TO CHANGE.

Well I expected that, what I don't expect is the new laws will make any sense and allow concealed carry to protect people from such attacks. Good folks will be penalized again as usual... :roll:
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#11 Post by AJMD429 » Sat Mar 16, 2019 12:04 pm

Tucker Carlson has pointed out something I have seen NOWHERE else, is that the "right wing shooter" in New Zealand was (as usual with 90% of mass-shooters, since the 'left' is more inherently violent than the 'right') a LEFTIST. He scorned 'capitalism' and praised China.....hardly a 'right-winger'....

https://youtu.be/Gakh2SJ6nL0

Definitely worth watching.
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#12 Post by BlaineG » Sat Mar 16, 2019 12:15 pm

AJMD429 wrote:
Sat Mar 16, 2019 12:04 pm
Tucker Carlson has pointed out something I have seen NOWHERE else, is that the "right wing shooter" in New Zealand was (as usual with 90% of mass-shooters, since the 'left' is more inherently violent than the 'right') a LEFTIST. He scorned 'capitalism' and praised China.....hardly a 'right-winger'....

https://youtu.be/BJMidhHT47o

Definitely worth watching.
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#13 Post by Rube Burrows » Sat Mar 16, 2019 4:41 pm

Sick individual. I watched a video this morning and he apparently had a go pro on him that filmed the whole thing. I don't agree with the Muslim Culture but detest evil people no matter who they are.

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#14 Post by piller » Sun Mar 17, 2019 12:39 am

He is an extreme leftist Greenpeace type. That equals evil in my book.
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#15 Post by KWK » Sun Mar 17, 2019 4:59 pm

I looked over his "manifesto." Claims that he is a white supremacist are false. Rather, his "thing" is purity in ethnicity, which he ties somewhat to race. He has no desire to enslave or conquer other races, ethnicities, or religions. He hates immigrants, truly hates them, obviously. He picked on the muslims there not because they were muslims, but because they were immigrants who in his view would not assimilate and were thus to be treated as invaders.

He likened himself to Nelson Mandela, a terrorist who sought to overthrow rule by a foreign culture. I wonder if he'd applaud Aussie aboriginals bombing whites in Sydney?

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#16 Post by Griff » Sun Mar 17, 2019 6:05 pm

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#17 Post by AJMD429 » Sun Mar 17, 2019 6:40 pm

....and this....
https://www.fort-russ.com/2019/03/flore ... tic-story/

....and this interesting comment.....

"When a muslim murders 49 gay people in a Florida night club, the community immediately rallied around the mosque and muslim community he hailed from. There were repeated admonishments to warn against a backlash, and remind people how peaceful muslims are.

On the flip side, when a terrorist shoots up a mosque full of worshipers, the whole community is blamed and punished collectively.

Has it occurred to anyone that THIS is what the shooter was aiming to expose?

If so, progressive culture has played right into his hands and given him exactly what he wanted. He’s exposed that some religious inspired murders are more outrageous than others.

What he’s really exposed is that the world has grown 100% complacent about Muslims murdering people. It doesn’t even shock the senses anymore. It’s only when the reverse happens that we feel outrage, precisely because it’s out of the ordinary
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(from https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/0 ... der-video/)
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#18 Post by wecsoger » Sun Mar 17, 2019 7:12 pm

I looked over his "manifesto." Claims that he is a white supremacist are false.

EXACTLY! He put out pages of why he was doing this, essentially 'gaming' the news media and creating an event for today's internet age.

And the media is completely ignoring it, since it doesn't fit their narrative.

I swear to dog this is right out of an episode of Max Headroom and the next thing we need to expect are 'blip-verts'.

(realizing this is a pretty arcane cultural reference, but a lot of you will get it)

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