For those locked into a bear hug with depression

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For those locked into a bear hug with depression

#1 Post by Bill in Oregon » Wed Mar 13, 2019 10:25 am

Always great to have another option.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-sho ... depression

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#2 Post by wm » Wed Mar 13, 2019 10:47 am

Thanks …… I work 3rd shift and depression has occasionally been an issue with me. As a union steward I often find that employees who are struggling are likewise showing signs of depression. This link will be useful.

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#3 Post by crs » Wed Mar 13, 2019 11:45 am

Outdoor activity and sunshine do wonders for me.
Early morning storms have passed and left me plenty of downed branches and trees to clean up , so :D

In some places the straight line wind was measured at 100 mph and so there was some wind damage in the greater DFW area.
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#4 Post by gamekeeper » Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:42 pm

Good news for sufferers. :)
I am fortunately immune to depression, as in the UK it can bar you from owning firearms, so I always smile at my doctor no matter how bad the news is.... :wink
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#5 Post by marlinman93 » Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:56 pm

No depression here, but I sure can tell after a long winter how much better I feel when the sun comes out and things warm up here!
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#6 Post by stretch » Wed Mar 13, 2019 12:59 pm

I am fortunately immune to depression, as in the UK it can bar you from owning firearms, so I always smile at my doctor no matter how bad the news is.... :wink
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#7 Post by AJMD429 » Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:23 pm

About a third of the U.S. population has a 'mutation' of the MTHFR (methyltetrahydrofolate reductase) gene, and of that bunch, I find about a third of them responds to a simple regimen of "B-complex" that is specifically tailored to THEIR genetics (i.e. regular vitamins won't work because they don't metabolize them properly).

Thorne's MethylGuard Plus is the product we use. Regular dose is 3 daily, and that runs about $48/month, but even one daily ($16/month) works for some.

Most doctors won't mess with it though, because all they think about is whatever big-pharma makes, and the FDA endorses - which limits the treatment options to stuff that is synthetic, and thus patentable, so the maker can recoup the $100 million or so that it takes to prove to the FDA that anything is 'safe and effective'.
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#8 Post by jeepnik » Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:20 am

Depression is only a state of mind.
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#9 Post by BlaineG » Thu Mar 14, 2019 1:50 pm

The VA had me on Prozac for years, and I thought I needed it. Thought. After doing some research it seems that taking antidepressants when you don't need them gives you depression. Go figger. :roll:
Anyway, I tapered off for a week and then put them aside. I kept a weather eye on myself and after a few days of jitters the chemical was out of my system and I felt much better. Certainly no worse than when I was on the med.
YMMV, but the "doctors" at VA never met a pill they didn't like and if you ask their permission they won't condone their discontinuance.
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#10 Post by piller » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:29 pm

I am not a fan of antidepressants. They never seem to work. Just my observances, but I might be missing some cases where they do work.
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#11 Post by Tycer » Fri Mar 15, 2019 7:47 am

Ayahuasca is showing great promise also. PTSD too.
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#12 Post by Bill in Oregon » Fri Mar 15, 2019 3:51 pm

Tycer, that's interesting. A friend with chronic depression who has been on SSRIs for years studied microdosing with psilocybin and reports fantastic personal results. I am reluctant to try anything that has not been evaluated in proper clinical trials.

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#13 Post by Tycer » Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:34 pm

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#14 Post by Bill in Oregon » Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:31 am

Excellent link Tycer.
Here is another, but I am not prepared to go down this road at this time due to both legal and scientific concerns. I do think will hear and learn much more about these compounds in the near future.

https://thethirdwave.co/microdosing/?fb ... HjpvRB3lG0

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#15 Post by BlaineG » Mon Mar 18, 2019 10:57 am

Bill in Oregon wrote:
Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:31 am
Excellent link Tycer.
Here is another, but I am not prepared to go down this road at this time due to both legal and scientific concerns. I do think will hear and learn much more about these compounds in the near future.

https://thethirdwave.co/microdosing/?fb ... HjpvRB3lG0
St John's Wort has been proven pretty much safe and has had good results for hundreds of years. CBD Oil is also haveing good results.
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#16 Post by piller » Mon Mar 18, 2019 12:55 pm

St. John's Work was studied head to head against some SSRI type antidepressants and was shown to be equal or better. The problem is that St. John's Wort is a plant and in the public realm. The FDA recommends against it.

In placebo coltrolled double blind studies, placebos often work better than SSRIs.

I am not a fan of most SSRIs due to the real and present danger of the lowering of the seizure threshold. I see about 1 person per year develop epilepsy while taking SSRIs.

My best advice is to get a Doctor who listens and will work with you. There are alternatives to SSRIs.
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#17 Post by BlaineG » Mon Mar 18, 2019 1:06 pm

piller wrote:
Mon Mar 18, 2019 12:55 pm
St. John's Work was studied head to head against some SSRI type antidepressants and was shown to be equal or better. The problem is that St. John's Wort is a plant and in the public realm. The FDA recommends against it.

In placebo coltrolled double blind studies, placebos often work better than SSRIs.

I am not a fan of most SSRIs due to the real and present danger of the lowering of the seizure threshold. I see about 1 person per year develop epilepsy while taking SSRIs.

My best advice is to get a Doctor who listens and will work with you. There are alternatives to SSRIs.
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Re: For those locked into a bear hug with depression

#18 Post by Sixgun » Mon Mar 18, 2019 1:37 pm

BlaineG wrote:
Mon Mar 18, 2019 1:06 pm
:wink: Usually...A patient cured is a customer lost.
Ha! Hey Blaine...remember the post I had about Meniers disease? Eliminating salt down to 1200 mg a day brought my BP down to 110/65....good bye blood pressure meds.........put my Meniers in remission......good bye meclizine, good bye klonopin...(for anxiety)..., good bye anti nausea meds.....sleep 100% better...good bye sleep meds......

By eliminating salt my weight went from 210 to 185 in two months...my head is clearer...I can think better.....my vision is sharper.....SALT!

When your mind is at ease life becomes better......good bye Zoloft

Seven doctors and three ENT's could not or would not tell me that about the salt.... "hey Jack, cut down your salt" is all I was told.......no emphasis...no numbers....


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Re: For those locked into a bear hug with depression

#19 Post by mickbr » Wed Mar 20, 2019 4:47 am

I'm a big fan of trying to get to your young mans weight again, also regular exercise. Getting the blood pumping loods the system with good hormones. You also get an extra veinfull of the good stuff anytime you look in the mirror and see results or get a compliment. All natural, natures strongest medicine. I appreciate some mental illness needs drug treatment but I think the world needs to slow down a bit on the prescription rate. I keep casting my mind back to the 80's etc and I just dont remember it that hard for us to get through without all these drugs about.

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