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Fresh thoughts on concealed carry choice?

#1 Post by Bill in Oregon » Mon Mar 11, 2019 9:31 am

I just completed the two-day New Mexico concealed carry course yesterday -- a full day of classroom work, then most of a day doing live fire drills before qualifying. NM law is peculiar: you must qualify with both a revolver and a semiauto if you wish to carry either one, and you may only carry a handgun of the caliber you qualified with or smaller; if you qualify with a 9mm, you may not carry a .45.
So I shot the drills and qualified with my Ruger SR-1911 commander in .45 ACP, then borrowed the instructor's Smith Model 25 to shoot the revolver targets.
Several observations:
I am more familiar with 1911s than any other platform, and carrying cocked and locked is second nature. But I have owned Glocks and done well with them.
The 1911 is on the heavy side, suffers from limited capacity and is much harder for me to clear a double-feed error or even change mags than with a Glock or similar auto. My thumbs are short enough that I have to totally regrip the 1911 in order to release the slide. I also find I have to really slap the butt of the magazine (if without a bumper) to ensure it is fully seated. No such issue with a Glock.
So I am thinking a lighter and more compact arm with greater capacity is in my future. I could probably live with -- and survive an encounter -- with a 9 or a .40 with top-shelf defensive ammo vs. the .45.
Among the striker-fired polymer guns, I also like the Springfield XDs, although I found the XD compact in .45 ACP bulky enough when I owned one that I did not often carry it.
Who else has been down this road lately?

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#2 Post by crs » Mon Mar 11, 2019 10:08 am

Recently bought Springfield XDE 9mm with ambi safety, ambi mag release. I like hammers, so mine is not striker fired, but is DA for first shot.
My local gun range also sells a variety of weapons and will order most anything you like.
I showed the clerk my S&W M39 and told her I wanted a compact auto with ambi controls, DA, etc and she went to work.
Next time in , she laid out several options and the Springfield 9 made in Croatia had it all - so I bought it.
It functions flawlessly and at close range (5-7 yards) is just the ticket. At longer ranges I have other handgun options and then rifles. :):):) .

Hand guns are very personal items and one size rarely fits all. For instance, the 1911 .45 seem too large for me to grip, but the M39 is just right. Be sure to try before you buy.

PS the same clerk packs good iron (Sig) and was also able to provide a nice selection for my wife to review. Wife chose Sig 238-380-xtm with green laser - a very slick package that is easy to operate and to shoot accurately.
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Re: Fresh thoughts on concealed carry choice?

#3 Post by marlinman93 » Mon Mar 11, 2019 10:14 am

I'm a dinosaur, so a big semiauto is what I prefer. Either my S&W 745 .45ACP or my S&W 59 9MM. But in summer months when it's lighter clothing wear I end up with my little S&W .22LR semiauto, and I am still pondering a compact 9mm for a better choice.
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#5 Post by crs » Mon Mar 11, 2019 10:30 am

Thanks Pete, but Glocks do not fit me either.

I had to put down a wounded Gemsbok and my PH handed me his Glock, but would not shoot the animal for me, despite my protestations. Even standing just above it, I took two shots to kill it.

My wife even out shot me on our first concealed carry shooting test because the range provided Glock 17 pistols and insisted we use them! BTW, she also shot better scores using our M39 pistols on succeeding tests.
Fortunately, Texas no longer requires such long term testing.
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#6 Post by GunnyMack » Mon Mar 11, 2019 10:50 am

Well Bill, take the course with a 9 and then again with a 40 and carry whatever ya darn well want to! :D
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#7 Post by Bill in Oregon » Mon Mar 11, 2019 10:59 am

Thanks fellas. Gunny, by shooting the course with the .45s, I can carry any similar or smaller caliber including 9, .40, .380, .357, .44 Special, .45 Colt etc.

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Re: Fresh thoughts on concealed carry choice?

#8 Post by COSteve » Mon Mar 11, 2019 11:20 am

I love both my Glocks and my 1911s but in town, my CCW piece is my Glock G23 with 13+1 rds of 180grn 40S&W Speer Gold Dots. In the Rockies, I take the magwell off of my custom 10mm Glock G20L and load it with either 17+1rds of 180grn Gold Dots or 200grn hardcast.

My G23 is considerably lighter with 14rds at only 31 oz loaded than my 1911s are with only 8rds at 42 oz loaded. While in the woods, my custom G20L with it's 6" slide and barrel and 18rds of 180grn hot 10mm loads weighs a mere 52 oz, the same as a 6" .357mag S&W 686 revolver with only 6rds of 158grn.

As my custom G20L was made up from a custom 6" slide 45acp G21 slide, I also shoot 45 Super in my custom Glock as a G21L, however, I've found that my hot 10mm handloads are considerably more powerful, developing much more ME with less recoil than my hot 45 Super handload (both without a compensator on the barrel) so it's the 10mm G20L over the G21L for the woods.

So, Glock's G40, a 6" duplicate of my custom G20L I developed back in 2004, would be my choice for a woods gun today and I still like the G23 for CCW.
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#9 Post by Bill in Oregon » Mon Mar 11, 2019 11:31 am

Steve, thanks. I did have a Model 40 for a while, and found it pretty darned controllable. But gee it was big.
I had a Glock 23 not long after they first came out, and liked it. Will handle one again.

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#10 Post by BlaineG » Mon Mar 11, 2019 11:38 am

When WA starts testing :evil: , I'll have my S&W 25 and Glock 30S....
What did that two days cost? Here in WA I'm sure whatever Commie EssoBee is governor will want to pad the general fund. :evil:
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#11 Post by Bill in Oregon » Mon Mar 11, 2019 12:33 pm

Blaine, the course was $150 plus ammo; license is $56 to the state and $44 to the electronic fingerprinting contractor.

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#12 Post by BlaineG » Mon Mar 11, 2019 1:13 pm

Bill in Oregon wrote:
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Blaine, the course was $150 plus ammo; license is $56 to the state and $44 to the electronic fingerprinting contractor.
WOW! Can we all say "Infringed"? :evil:
Now that my 10-22 and old Browning .22 Auto are Assault Weapons...you read that right...I'll need a license and class for THOSE, too.
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#13 Post by GunnyMack » Mon Mar 11, 2019 1:22 pm

Ah gotcha, I musta misread your post... day day light savings ! :lol:
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#14 Post by wm » Mon Mar 11, 2019 2:18 pm

Well its not an original idea but ever since I went with the S&W Shield I've been pleased by its performance and portability. I tried one of the M&P 45 ACP single stack shortys and offered by S&W and it felt good in the hand and I thought the recoil was less then I expected. I will probably buy one before I'm through.


As for revolvers ...... I still favor the Charter Arms 44 spl. I won't try to justify it to a skeptic but it hits where I aim and it hits hard.


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#15 Post by OldWin » Mon Mar 11, 2019 2:32 pm

For 3 seasons, I carry a 1911. I have all three sizes, and in steel and LW. Even with these options, I carry a 5" steel Gov't. The secret with any pistol is the holster.
However, if the pistol doesn't fit your hand, it don't fit.
For many years, for weather or convenience, I carried a J frame or small pistol.
Couple years ago, I decided to stop this habit. The smallest pistol I carry now is a Glock 19. I carry it in a Dale Fricke appendix holster and can conceal it with a t-shirt. Took some getting used to, but I am much better armed.
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#16 Post by 3leggedturtle » Mon Mar 11, 2019 3:44 pm

Bill, the Smith M-P compact with factory laser comes up nice and to point of aim, fits my hand well for a small pistol. I like the 40, lots of good deals on them. Palmetto State Amoury has daily specials, every day keep checking. Tidd/3leg
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#17 Post by Tactical Lever » Mon Mar 11, 2019 7:22 pm

Never was much one for polymer pistols, and I am partial to revolvers, but I did stumble across a neat gun a while back.

I was in the market for something a little different, but I wasn't crazy about getting a striker fired gun. Very nearly got a Canik. I believe it was the entry level model I was looking at, originally, but the sf Elite or Elite-S probably would have suited a little better. They reviewed very well, and reportedly have very good triggers. But then came across a Sarsilmaz B6C on sale.

Built on a CZ-75 type platform, which appealed to me, stainless barrel, and with what seems to be some sort of tennifer, or nitride coating on the slide. Has easy to view 3 dot sights, that are glow in the dark. Of course if it was stored in a dark spot, a quick blast with a bright flashlight will get them glowing. Comes with a couple mags, and Mech-Gar CZ-75 (compact) mags work well also, though they are a hair longer. I took off the pinky rest on the mags, and replaced it with the metal floor plates.

I rounded a couple corners, and cut "CZ" scallops in hopes of making the gun compatible with a wide range of holsters. though the trigger guard is a bit wide. I hit the frame with a couple different colours of "Camo" paint, which sticks pretty well.

Seems to be an accurate gun, and fun to shoot; though the sights as it came seem to be slightly off, and the large profile maybe aren't the best for target work. It's digested everything I've put through it, though a few times (maybe with lighter bullets), the stiff extractor hasn't quite snapped over the rim. I haven't tried tuning or polishing, as it just took a light tap on the back of the slide to seat. If I get concerned about it, I might go to a heavier spring, and just shoot heavier grain +P, though I don't recall if it's recommended.

Over all it's a quality gun, and I like it a lot. Fairly light, quite a bit more compact than a full size CZ-75/85 type in steel. Easy to shoot, nice safety and quick to bear when carried as intended with chamber loaded on half cock. Take down and reassembly is easy as well.
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#18 Post by Tycer » Mon Mar 11, 2019 7:28 pm

Got to shoot the new Beretta/Benelli/Stoeger glock 19 clone this weekend. Really nice clone. $300 OTD

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#19 Post by AJMD429 » Mon Mar 11, 2019 9:47 pm

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If you like a 1911, you don't have to sacrifice capacity. My P-12 'Officer Model' is a double-stack fistful of power and holds 12 rounds; the grip is only 3/16the inch more circumference, and you can put an extended slide release on it if you want (with 12 rounds you probably won't change mags in a fight though).

The 'regular size' double-stack I have holds 14 rounds.
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#20 Post by 6pt-sika » Mon Mar 11, 2019 9:50 pm

I've got three that are carry compatible with holsters I like ,

Kimber 1911 5" 45 ACP

S&W 19-3 4"

S&W 36

With the 1911 I usually carry two extra mags on my belt , with the 19-3 I usually carry two speed loaders in my pocket and same with the 36 .

Lately I'm finding myself carrying the 36 more then anything . On a side note I’ve run across a rather nice 19-3 , 2 1/2” if I can get it that might be what I carry more often .
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#21 Post by JerryB » Mon Mar 11, 2019 10:12 pm

Hey Wm, I too have relied on the .44spl for every day concealed carry. I carry it in a cross draw CME holster because my right shoulder won't let me draw form the right side. This rig is completely concealed under a T shirt. If the .44 can't get it done you better go back to the house. It is loaded with 240 gr. hard cast or 250 cast hollow point and lots of Unique.
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#22 Post by JimT » Mon Mar 11, 2019 10:58 pm

Quite often I have a Star PD on me. Or a sixgun. I am comfortable with a single action sixgun under my belt. Funny thing. I have never had a failure to feed or a stovepipe with the single action revolver! :D I can be found with a 1911 sometimes and have even been caught carrying a S&W revolver! I am an old fart who does not care for the modern made polymer stuff. That's my preference. I ain't trying to convince anyone else to think my way. Use what you like and what works for you.

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#23 Post by piller » Mon Mar 11, 2019 11:45 pm

I like my Walther &Wesson model 99 in .40 caliber. The slide is Walther and the frame is Smith & Wesson. The last time I had to shoot to qualify for my license to carry, I used it and shot left handed only. I am right handed. My score was 247 out of a possible 250. That is the pistol with the Double/Single action striker fired and has a button on the slide to de-cock the striker back to double action. It also has a one quarter inch trigger reset. Double taps are accidental and often unless good trigger control is in muscle memory. Most everyone on here would be able to handle it without any issue whatsoever. People who are new to firearms tend to shoot all 8 shots with 1 squeeze of the trigger.

Pierce Brosnan's James Bond carried the same pistol in at least 1, maybe 2, movies. It is my favorite pistol to carry when the weather is cool enough to carry something larger than a Kel-Tec P3AT or Ruger LCP.
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#24 Post by Ray » Tue Mar 12, 2019 12:28 am

JimT wrote:
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I am an old fart who does not care for the modern made polymer stuff. That's my preference.
So that's why you look so much like Lee Marvin now. :)
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#25 Post by 1894c » Tue Mar 12, 2019 1:07 am

Glock 43X - 9mm 10-shot...plastic has worked well since 1984... :)
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#26 Post by OldWin » Tue Mar 12, 2019 1:03 pm

JimT wrote:
Mon Mar 11, 2019 10:58 pm
Quite often I have a Star PD on me. Or a sixgun. I am comfortable with a single action sixgun under my belt. Funny thing. I have never had a failure to feed or a stovepipe with the single action revolver! :D I can be found with a 1911 sometimes and have even been caught carrying a S&W revolver! I am an old fart who does not care for the modern made polymer stuff. That's my preference. I ain't trying to convince anyone else to think my way. Use what you like and what works for you.
Star PD! There's a blast from the past. I had one of those many years ago. It was one of my first carry pistols. Snappy little bugger if I recall.
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#27 Post by 3leggedturtle » Tue Mar 12, 2019 6:29 pm

3leggedturtle wrote:
Mon Mar 11, 2019 3:44 pm
Bill, the Smith M-P compact with factory laser comes up nice and to point of aim, fits my hand well for a small pistol. I like the 40, lots of good deals on them. Palmetto State Amoury has daily specials, every day keep checking. Tidd/3leg
Bill, my bad. Itsa S&W 9mm Shield.
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#28 Post by jeepnik » Tue Mar 12, 2019 8:39 pm

Call me old school. Call me a dinosaur. But if at all possible a full size 1911A1. I tend to want what works.
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#29 Post by yooper2 » Tue Mar 12, 2019 8:56 pm

I prefer a short barreled Smith 19 on the belt or an old Colt Agent with a hammer shroud slipped in my pocket, often both. That said, I recently installed a trigger kit on a Smith M&P 45 Compact for shooting buddy and it handles wonderfully. It is light and points very naturally for me.


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#30 Post by Booger Bill » Tue Mar 12, 2019 11:43 pm

I pocket carry either a s&w model 40 or a sig 238. In cooler weather where I wear a vest or jac shirt to cover it I belt carry a 3" s&w model 36.

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#31 Post by Bill in Oregon » Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:18 am

One consideration for me that lets out the .380s and 9mm Maks is the availability of a CCI snake load, to make the handgun versatile here in the desert. So that means 9mm, .38/.357, .40 S&W, .44 Spl., .45 or .45 Colt.

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#32 Post by JimT » Wed Mar 13, 2019 10:27 am

Ray wrote:
Tue Mar 12, 2019 12:28 am
JimT wrote:
Mon Mar 11, 2019 10:58 pm
I am an old fart who does not care for the modern made polymer stuff. That's my preference.
So that's why you look so much like Lee Marvin now. :)
Yes! I looked like John Wayne when I was much younger. :D

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#33 Post by Bill in Oregon » Wed Mar 13, 2019 10:45 am

Jim, y'all mean like this, taken in 1930, when the Duke was 23?

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#34 Post by piller » Wed Mar 13, 2019 11:25 pm

Was JimT ever that young? :lol:
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#35 Post by JimT » Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:06 am

piller wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 11:25 pm
Was JimT ever that young? :lol:
Wow. I can't remember that far back!!

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