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Menieres Disease....

#1 Post by BlaineG » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:12 pm

Blaine...many different forms of vertigo......Menieres is when the inner ear fills with fluid and then when it's full you go bonkers...sometimes these "bonkers" are so-so and other times they will lay you flat on the ground with zero control. There is no known cause and no cure...only management....I've become an expert at it...

Any degree of attack will keep you home with fear of going anywhere...in between attacks, you are a "nothing", accomplishing little, no way you can drive,

One of the most misdiagnosed ailments, doctors know little and attribute your problems to all kinds of different shyt, sometime prescribing meds that make it worse. You pretty much spend your life saying to yourself, "WTF????".-----6

I've been meaning to have a post on this. Maybe if I get enough interest on this thread I will.
If I have it, it's not quite that bad for me. It's been constant for as long as I can remember. Sometimes if I turn my head, it feels like it keeps on spinning. Super loud ringing, and every so often a thunderclap and I can't hear out of that ear for an hour. Docs say I'm ok....Oh, well....

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#2 Post by Sixgun » Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:55 pm

Damm...thanks Blaine...you broke the ice and gave me incentive. I'll attempt to condense it all. This is lengthy anyway.

Here goes guys...Menieres disease is a disease where your inner ear fills up with fluid, sending you into vertigo attacks

For 64 years I have made it through life without any health problems so I decided to research the issue and decided that salt is the best hing you can do for your well being.....soak everything with salt...eat rock salt if you have to. Eat a gallon jug of pickles everyday.....eat hot dogs by the dozen three to,es a day...great stuff I tell ya. :D ---6
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#3 Post by BlaineG » Mon Feb 11, 2019 7:15 pm

Salt....I try to cut back, but I could do much, much better.
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#4 Post by piller » Thu Feb 14, 2019 10:36 am

I have had ringing in my ears my whole life. I cannot understand what silence really is. If you put most people in a quiet room for long enough, they start hearing their own heartbeat. Not me. The neverending background sound of a circular saw drowns it out. The first time I heard a circular saw, I was surprised to hear what I always hear...only a little louder. That was when I was about 3 years old.
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#5 Post by claybob86 » Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:08 pm

I can't remember not having ringing in my ears. All those years of jet engines, rivet guns and gunfire took their toll, I guess.
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#6 Post by Old Savage » Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:24 pm

I have had three very pronounced cases of Meniere's in my practice. All have responded well to Blair Upper Cervical Chiropractic. There are a number of chiropractors specializing in that approach in the SeaTac area. Usually a misalignment of the Atlas vertebra is the issue.
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#7 Post by Sixgun » Thu Feb 14, 2019 2:05 pm

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I have had three very pronounced cases of Meniere's in my practice. All have responded well to Blair Upper Cervical Chiropractic. There are a number of chiropractors specializing in that approach in the SeaTac area. Usually a misalignment of the Atlas vertebra is the issue.
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Tinnitus in its common form is nothing compared to tinnitus from Menieres....it will get so loud with varying pitches you cannot hear yourself talk. It WILL, after time, send you into panic. May God Bless Valium and ER rooms. Along with severe tinnitus, an aura of tunnel vision exists with impending vertigo that comes once in a while. It starts out about once a month...then progresses to near everyday, leaving you home bound, paranoid, nauseous..... pretty much unable to function.

Many suicides are attributed to this disease. I said earlier I have too many graves to pizz on one day as a driving force to stay alive and soldier through. During an severe attack you really wish you were dead. It's the toughest hour to several hours that anyone should be subjected to and in between attacks you pretty much sleep.

Then I was thinking of all of the vultures playing up to my wife to get my Winchesters and Colts, not to mention Pitchy trying to sneak in to get the BAR. :D

I suffered needlessly for a year as why 7 doctors and 3 ENT's could not tell me to "cut the damm salt out of your diet and keep your intake to no more than 1200 mgs. I learned more from the experiences of others from the Internet than I did from my insurance companies spending probably $75,000...

Fours months later, no salt....no doctors visits.....attack free....also.....medication free from blood pressure meds....110/65 is normal for me...now

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#8 Post by GunnyMack » Thu Feb 14, 2019 2:40 pm

Well before you go anywhere just pencil my name down for that Marlin 25-20 :D !
Six you are now Dr. Sixgun!! Self diagnosed & treated.
Though I have had vertigo just 3 times I can honestly say I dont wish that on anyone . Last time was the worst, couldn't hardly walk. That was caused by a sinus infection.
I do have some hearing loss. Between power tools and shooting its expected. Now I always have foam ear plugs in the watch pocket of my jeans. If it gets loud in go the plugs.
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#9 Post by BlaineG » Thu Feb 14, 2019 3:04 pm

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Well before you go anywhere just pencil my name down for that Marlin 25-20 :D !
Six you are now Dr. Sixgun!! Self diagnosed & treated.
Though I have had vertigo just 3 times I can honestly say I dont wish that on anyone . Last time was the worst, couldn't hardly walk. That was caused by a sinus infection.
I do have some hearing loss. Between power tools and shooting its expected. Now I always have foam ear plugs in the watch pocket of my jeans. If it gets loud in go the plugs.
I don't know how many thousands of .22 and shotgun rounds I touched off as a kid. Hearing damage just wasn't important in those days. Hell, I joined the Army in '72 and the Drill Sergeant didn't enforce the ear plug "recommendations".... He said "You puss*s that need them go ahead. :o
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#10 Post by piller » Thu Feb 14, 2019 4:29 pm

I was diagnosed with high frequency deafness at 5 years old. Other than the falling down and being nauseated, I have had the other symptoms since about 3 years old. Nauseous means you make others sick. Nauseated is when you feel sick.
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#11 Post by AJMD429 » Thu Feb 14, 2019 7:05 pm

All sorts of electrolyte changes have been proposed, and sometimes help (more sodium, more potassium, more magnesium, and even more calcium). If you stick with over the counter products and doses usually you won't hurt much, but best to confer with physician before messing with them, and you may need higher doses anyway.

Also - if you haven't seen an audiologist, do so - a good audiologist can sometimes diagnose and treat stuff doctors miss.
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#12 Post by Sixgun » Thu Feb 14, 2019 7:43 pm

Yea...been to an audiologist.....that was convenient.....same building as one of the worthless ENT's I visited. I knew more about Menieres than he did. My left ear is just about deaf from the Menieres.....right ear about 60%...In my left/deaf ear I have a hearing aid that transfers the sound to my good ear. The audiologist explained the shooting was not the cause of my bad ear going deaf....the Menieres was and that there is zero connection to shooting and Menieres.

They have no idea what causes Menieres...it is possible that the many ear infections I had as a very small child could have been the cause. Dunno....do not give a shyt at this point in life. Just live with it and keep on shooting old Winchesters and Colts. :D ---
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#13 Post by Old Savage » Thu Feb 14, 2019 7:55 pm

Six, thanks for the information. The first patient I dealt with was a former Green Beret Lt. Col. He had extreme vertigo and nausea. He remarked to me that it was no fun laying on a men's room floor for 6 hrs. I am glad you found answer.
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#14 Post by mickbr » Thu Feb 14, 2019 10:11 pm

I have tinnitus pretty good but no balance problems thank heavens. One thing about guns is the loudest types still get through hearing protection. 40decibels is about the most you can block by covering the ears, even with two sets on, because vibration still gets through the skull and teeth which you can't block. Short barreled magnums with brakes are running 165-170Db you are left with 130-150db+ getting through depending on your plugs. Its part of the game and I think hunting a few times a year is no probs. The problem for me is shooting ranges if there are several guys letting off super magnums with muzzle brakes. You absorb more gun noise in one day than a lifetime of hunting. Espeically teaching kids to shoot I prefer to do it away from crowded ranges and stick to regular bores with long barrels. Sorry for the tangent post

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#15 Post by Sixgun » Thu Feb 14, 2019 11:27 pm

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Six, thanks for the information. The first patient I dealt with was a former Green Beret Lt. Col. He had extreme vertigo and nausea. He remarked to me that it was no fun laying on a men's room floor for 6 hrs. I am glad you found answer.
And thank you for the response Fred......for real, most doctors know little about Menieres and nothing on how to treat it. It's uncurable and the patient makes the best doctor. 20% of Menieres patients do not respond to a low salt diet. My buddy at the club was one of those...he had to get the injections through the ear drum to kill the nerve in the inner ear. He was telling me that one time he was driving down the highway at 55 mph and all of a sudden the road turned into a snake....that's the type of vertigo you get....he pulled over as fast as he could and started throwing up all over the inside of his car. He was laying down in the seat and a cop came up and thought he was drunk. He explained to the cop what was going on and the cop did not believe him. He told the cop to go F himself and do whatever he liked........he pleaded, just leave me alone, I'll be OK in a couple of hours. The cop let him be.

For an explanation I tell people...."imagine this...go drink a fifth of bourbon straight down...yes, a fifth, then go drink another fifth.........it's like that when it's extreme.....can't even get on your knees. Your heart beats 150 times (or more) a minute and BP goes to 200/100....yes, 200/100....the ambulance people told me that and I checked it myself another time.

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#16 Post by Old Savage » Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:04 am

Six, here is another experience. The most recent patient came to the office from about an hour away. He had to be driven and had difficulty walking steady. He was well used to how it went for him in these instances. I inherited him from another chiro that moved to Texas. I adjusted him few times in about two months. After one visit he told me he had gotten to the point that he thought he could run. I asked if he tried and he told me he had run an eight minute mile the week before. That is the range of function and disturbance in that case just considering balance and mobility.
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#17 Post by Old Savage » Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:17 am

The brain stem actually protrudes through an opening in the bottom of the skull. At the level of the first vertebra it becomes the spinal cord. The first vertebra, the Atlas, is made like and functions as a universal joint. The top joins to the occiput and functions to let the head nod forward and back. On the bottom it rotates on the axis vertebra which has a hub. So you have the most complicated vulnerable part of the central nervous system going through the center and somewhat exposed to pressure if this gets misaligned. It can create all kinds of disturbance depending on which nerve tracts are involved even vision and hearing and certainly involving vertigo in some cases.

Here are pictures of a plastic model that I marked with areas of taut and tender fibers in a system I developed to analyze misalignments. The center openings are where the brain stem and spinal cord traverse.
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#18 Post by GunnyMack » Fri Feb 15, 2019 7:10 am

I KNOW that after I'm adjusted that I can see better! I wholeheartedly believe in chiropractors. I always get adjusted before a match. Does it help? Heck yes! If I can see a 4" dia orange clay bird going 100mph plus faster and easier darn right I'm a believer!
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#19 Post by Old Savage » Fri Feb 15, 2019 7:28 am

There are nerves that go down to mid back that go to a ganglion outside the spine. That ganglion sends fibers to the muscles that focus the eyes. I am always interested in the pathways that make things possible.
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#20 Post by Old Savage » Fri Feb 15, 2019 7:35 am

Here is a picture of an MRI showing an impingement into the back of the brain stem spinal cord juncture by the posterior arch of the Atlas vertebra.
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#21 Post by Sixgun » Fri Feb 15, 2019 9:07 am

Wow...that's interesting Fred...thank you for taking the time to show us that.....I guess you could call me a non believer in chiropractors.....my ignorance......guys at work swear by them.....you have me thinking...if not for my Menieres then for my well being.

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#22 Post by Old Savage » Fri Feb 15, 2019 9:19 am

Six, the closest guy to you doing what I am going is Dr. Brian Mehl near Seaside, NJ.

Sounds like yours is under control. I did not know there was a salt connection. Now a days with the internet it is common for the patient to know more about the condition than the Dr. Unless he is a specialist in the issue.
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#23 Post by Tycer » Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:19 pm

This has been a great series of posts. Thank y’all.
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