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What's the allure of "tactical"?

#1 Post by Bill in Oregon » Mon Feb 11, 2019 10:10 am

Once I stopped laughing after looking at this Mossberg "tactical .22," it occurred to me that the firearms industry milks "tactical" for all it is worth in marketing schemes.
Have we gotten to the point that a vast segment of our shooting public nurses a Walter Mitty fantasy about being involved in a truly tactical situation? I think it is kind of pathetic, but then I am an old guy.

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Re: What's the allure of "tactical"?

#2 Post by J Miller » Mon Feb 11, 2019 10:38 am

:roll: :roll: NO, NO, A THOUSAND TIMES NO!

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Re: What's the allure of "tactical"?

#3 Post by COSteve » Mon Feb 11, 2019 10:42 am

Simple.

Young kids grew up on video games rather than cowboy movies like many of us did. They don't use leverguns very often in video games but full auto 'black rifles' (which are really carbines) are everywhere.
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Re: What's the allure of "tactical"?

#4 Post by Marvin S » Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:05 am

Boy, that Mossberg is some piece of work :roll:

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#5 Post by Bill in Oregon » Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:24 am

Marvin, not hard to figure on why it might be on sale ... :D

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#6 Post by fordwannabe » Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:25 am

Dam it Bill. You should have issued some kinda warning about that link. Now I have to gouge my eyes out, because I can’t unsee that.
And as far as the tactical stuff? Yup movies and video games. Just like us with Winchester’s and colts.
The tactical stuff isn’t really my cup of tea but at least the tacticool guys aren’t afraid of guns and trying to ban them.
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Re: What's the allure of "tactical"?

#7 Post by marlinman93 » Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:38 am

Looks like a guy in drag with a 5 o'clock shadow. Just something no gun maker should ever lower himself to doing.
I understand the desire to make options to draw in more buyers. But anyone whose drawn to "tactical" style guns wont be fooled by that abortion. And the rest of the older crowd that appreciates lever guns will be offended by it.
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Re: What's the allure of "tactical"?

#8 Post by fordwannabe » Mon Feb 11, 2019 12:11 pm

When Six and I were at that auction a couple weeks ago we were watching tactical 870 shotguns go for double what regular 870 were going for. Same gun but just neede to meet my horizontal bandsaw to be considered “tacticool.”
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Re: What's the allure of "tactical"?

#9 Post by gamekeeper » Mon Feb 11, 2019 12:15 pm

I saw the center fire version in a gunshop, it didn't make my heart skip a beat that's for sure. :o
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#10 Post by jnyork » Mon Feb 11, 2019 12:16 pm

The EBR/tactical jockey shorts crowd will buy them by the thousands.

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Re: What's the allure of "tactical"?

#11 Post by 3leggedturtle » Mon Feb 11, 2019 12:26 pm

fordwannabe wrote:
Mon Feb 11, 2019 12:11 pm
When Six and I were at that auction a couple weeks ago we were watching tactical 870 shotguns go for double what regular 870 were going for. Same gun but just neede to meet my horizontal bandsaw to be considered “tacticool.”
How much were regular 870's going for? I tried selling an 870 in 12 gauge 2 3/4" for $200 no one wanted it or even made an offer!
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Re: What's the allure of "tactical"?

#12 Post by mikld » Mon Feb 11, 2019 1:09 pm

"Tactical" is the new "too cool, too hip" way of thinking. I've seen everything from "tactile" sunglasses, all clothing right down to "tactile skivvies", flashlights, pocket knives, MREs, to weird abortions like the Mossberg. When I lived in LA I saw a lot of "jacked up" 4 WD pick ups, painted a matte olive drab (non reflective "tactile" paint job) whose tires never saw dirt, but they were "massively tact", dude...

Maybe it's like the "Surfer fad" or the flower child in the '60s, then the disco hero in the '70s-'80s, then the Yuppie. Who knows what the next fad will be? Hopefully a "New Conservative" where men are men, and women are women and the androgynous "male" will go away...
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Re: What's the allure of "tactical"?

#13 Post by fordwannabe » Mon Feb 11, 2019 1:16 pm

They were approximately $150-175
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Re: What's the allure of "tactical"?

#14 Post by Grizz » Mon Feb 11, 2019 2:03 pm

and camo sweats and camo tee shirts and camo baseball caps and camo canteens and camo sleeping bags and camo sandals

game-boy rigging

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Re: What's the allure of "tactical"?

#15 Post by mikld » Mon Feb 11, 2019 2:26 pm

Grizz wrote:
Mon Feb 11, 2019 2:03 pm
and camo sweats and camo tee shirts and camo baseball caps and camo canteens and camo sleeping bags and camo sandals

game-boy rigging
Yep, I told my wife I was gonna get her a Jungle Leaf camo bra for Christmas. It took 2 weeks for the black eye to go away...
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Re: What's the allure of "tactical"?

#16 Post by Blaine » Mon Feb 11, 2019 2:39 pm

:lol: :lol: So much for Conseratives being for personal choice.
Some of ya are "offended". smh :roll:
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#17 Post by fordwannabe » Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:01 pm

Didn’t say they shouldn’t or couldn’t make it, said it was fugly.
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Re: What's the allure of "tactical"?

#18 Post by Blaine » Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:09 pm

fordwannabe wrote:
Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:01 pm
Didn’t say they shouldn’t or couldn’t make it, said it was fugly.
Me, too... and I won't pelosi on the people that do buy them. That's what snowflakes do. :wink:
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Re: What's the allure of "tactical"?

#19 Post by wm » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:07 pm

You mis speeled tactical …… it should be spelled tacticool.

Tactical is a concept that has progressed from practical application to benefit the user to ostentatious demonstration to impress the casual observer. Like gadgets on a car …… at some point they started adding stuff just because they could.

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Re: What's the allure of "tactical"?

#20 Post by mack » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:52 pm

Grizz wrote:
Mon Feb 11, 2019 2:03 pm
and camo sweats and camo tee shirts and camo baseball caps and camo canteens and camo sleeping bags and camo sandals

game-boy rigging
Easy there Grizz......I wear camo jammies! :wink:
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#21 Post by Grizz » Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:12 pm

segue to this

https://www.cdnnsports.com/iac-import-h ... l?___SID=U

it's a fake 870, I bought one years ago first time I saw it online. Put a collapsible stock on it for various levels of clothing and convenience in transporting. Mine is crudely fashioned in a way, some sharp metal on the receiver bottom, etc. Best part, the receiver sight and blade setup are perfect for my eyesight. Best, truck, skiff, woods walking bear gun I know of, for something I can take thru CA.

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Re: What's the allure of "tactical"?

#22 Post by jeepnik » Mon Feb 11, 2019 6:22 pm

Being an old airedale, and a TAC troop to boot, I know the real secret is to be strategic not tactical. If you have to go tactical things have already gotten much worse than you would ever want. So for me the "allure" is to be strategic.
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Re: What's the allure of "tactical"?

#23 Post by AJMD429 » Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:28 pm

It's all just semantics and marketing.

I've got a Ruger 10/22 that is 40 years old, and wearing a Tapco stock so I could put the Bushnell Holosight on it with the LaserMax pistol laser on the top rail in front of it, and a Coast LED flashlight on the lower rail. I also have a flash-suppressor/muzzle-protector on it so if the muzzle gets 'dipped' by me or a kid, it won't plug up. With all that stuff sticking out, plus an old 25-round Butler Creek 'high-capacity magazine', it is the epitome of "mall-ninja-tacticool"......yet THAT is the single most practical night-time firearm I grab for MOST farmstead 'bumps-in-the-night'.

:|

I could go for a mil-spec AR-15 with 60-round magazine and high-quality 'battlefield irons' or a basic scope, that would look like an 'assault rifle' but not really 'tactical'.

I could (and would more likely) go for one of my 'Night Scout' leverguns, which are simply leverguns with a Burris Fastfire-II and LaserMax mounted, along with a Coast flashlight, just like the 10/22, only they have pretty wooden stocks, and no sticky-outey 'high-capacity' magazine or flash-suppressor. Are THEY 'tacticool'.....????

:?:

Personally, I just go for WHAT WORKS, and what works RELIABLY....I don't care what the marketing-folks call it, any more than I care what the politicians call it.

As far as THIS gun....

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....honestly, it may 'look funny' but so do I, and if you want something PRACTICAL to take out to check the chicken-coop at night, versus something beautiful to look at, that evokes the wonder of a simpler time, when men were men, and a day spent hunting was the mark of growing up, give me the fugly Mossberg anytime.....you can mount a decent light, decent sight (for night-time coop-raiders, NOT for leisurely squirrel hunting in daytime), and laser to verify target acquisition, and you have the fast followup shots of a levergun (versus a bolt-action) and the quiet of a levergun (versus a semiauto). The only thing I'd add would be a threaded muzzle for a suppressor..... :o :lol:
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#24 Post by Pete44ru » Mon Feb 11, 2019 10:26 pm

Bill in Oregon wrote:
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Have we gotten to the point that a vast segment of our shooting public nurses a Walter Mitty fantasy about being involved in a truly tactical situation ?


Yes !


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#25 Post by cas » Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:08 pm

Bill in Oregon wrote:
Mon Feb 11, 2019 10:10 am
Have we gotten to the point that a vast segment of our shooting public nurses a Walter Mitty fantasy about being involved in a truly tactical situation?
I suppose there's just as many people looking at this forum thinking you have "cowboys and indians" fantasies.
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#26 Post by 3leggedturtle » Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:16 pm

cas wrote:
Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:08 pm
Bill in Oregon wrote:
Mon Feb 11, 2019 10:10 am
Have we gotten to the point that a vast segment of our shooting public nurses a Walter Mitty fantasy about being involved in a truly tactical situation?
I suppose there's just as many people looking at this forum thinking you have "cowboys and indians" fantasies.
I have Rambo against antifa fantasy!! :twisted:
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#27 Post by FWiedner » Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:38 pm

I see the fascination with "tactical" hardware and appliances the same way I do the issue of stolen glory.

A person who never managed the intestinal fortitude to actually put on a uniform wants to pretend that they're "fresh from the fight".

... Or maybe they just like cool looking black molded plastic pseudo-military accessories.

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#28 Post by Sixgun » Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:38 pm

It's the tactical guns that are driving the market and keeping the gun manufacturers in business so we have the money and the numbers of citizens to fight the ones who are trying to take our pelosi away. Most all guns sold today are for defense...against other two legged predators and our possible tyrannical government.

Let em be even if we are levergun fanatics....what you don't find "cool" is helping to save what you like.....we are all in the same boat. I've been in this game heavily for over 40 years and about 25 years ago, all of the die hard gun guys were seriously worried about our future and how the young crowd did not care about firearms...then came the Iraq War and true to fashion our guys coming back from the sandbox wanted everything tactical....may God Bless em...they really did save our sport.

Now go put that under your hat.-

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#29 Post by AJMD429 » Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:58 pm

U B --> 6

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#30 Post by Sixgun » Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:24 am

Screw the Ebonics Doc....not much has ever pizzed me off this much as this post.

The same guys rant and rave over their ubertis and Rossi's when thats all they are doing "by trying to save a buck" is sending their money to leftist governments who would really like to see the greatest country in the world get toppled over.

Don't buy their pelosi, period. America's innovation in capitalism and engineering will create a company in this country that will make the same stuff....better. Look at Henry Arms. Phuck that foreign junk from Italy and South America. Buy American.---6
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#31 Post by piller » Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:51 am

I don't read Kyle Lamb's section in Guns & Ammo. Anyone who cannot inderstand that infrared light is given off by heat sources, and that IR and Thermal sights both pick up the output from heat and has used both in the Army is just not important to me. His writing is usually about how to be tactical from what I see.

It would seem that there are enough people who like his column that it is still in the magazine.

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#32 Post by Bill in Oregon » Tue Feb 12, 2019 9:21 am

Wait, Six, this thread makes you angry? :?:

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#33 Post by Sixgun » Tue Feb 12, 2019 9:47 am

Bill in Oregon wrote:
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Wait, Six, this thread makes you angry? :?:
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#34 Post by marlinman93 » Tue Feb 12, 2019 11:36 am

To me it's not where this gun is built. In fact I've got no idea where they're built, and my thoughts about it are based on how it looks. I can actually look at many AR15, AK47, and other various black rifles and not be offended at all. I think the whole tactical fad is selling lots of guns, and to me that's a good thing. But this gun should turn off everyone, whether they like lever guns, or tactical guns. It's about ugly, and not so much about tactical.
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#35 Post by 308magtip » Tue Feb 12, 2019 12:41 pm

Went to the range one day with a club member who did tactial shooting.he had his 15 or so 9mm cap glock and I my 1911 in 45 acp 7 shot.We set up at 5 to 25 yds and he was showing me the double tap game.I ask him to try this.We stood side by side and I said start by engaging the 5 yd target,we had our own B4 target, but you must double tap and I will shoot only once.By the time he 2 tapped the 15 yd I was on the 25 and had a kill or disabling shot on each one.Sort of changed his mind on small cal and multi shots per threat.

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#36 Post by Blaine » Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:23 pm

Sixgun wrote:
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Wait, Six, this thread makes you angry? :?:
Bill...one day you will get as old as me and then everything makes you angry. :D Not really....---6
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#37 Post by Sixgun » Tue Feb 12, 2019 3:27 pm

Hey...hey...hey..there Blaine! If the Democrats can cry and use emotions to get their way, why can't I? :D

Mmmmmm....got to see who I can punish today. :D got a new moniker..."The Punisher". See? I can use big words like you educated guys.

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#38 Post by jeepnik » Tue Feb 12, 2019 6:15 pm

I’ve read all the posts. But I’m now lost. Time for a nap.
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#39 Post by vancelw » Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:13 pm

Sixgun wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 9:47 am
Bill in Oregon wrote:
Tue Feb 12, 2019 9:21 am
Wait, Six, this thread makes you angry? :?:
Bill...one day you will get as old as me and then everything makes you angry. :D Not really....---6
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I also like my ARs and other semis.
I like my pumps. I have 4, 870s. Two of them are 1965 era: one each in 12 and 16. One them is a Marine Magnum. Its intended to be tacticool but it's my go-to hog gun! And the other day I bought a Tac-14 just to pee Pelosi off. :D

There are an awful lot of guns on the market that make me shake my head, wondering how enough people want that monstrosity to make it profitable. But I am so glad it is and that they are making more every day.

I'm also 100% in favor of buying American, but I won't sacrifice quality to do it. Yeah a Henry is better than a Taurus or Rossi, but I'll spend my money on a real Winchester or Marlin or even a Browning Miroku.
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Re: What's the allure of "tactical"?

#40 Post by Rusty » Tue Feb 12, 2019 9:02 pm

The word is tacticool.
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Re: What's the allure of "tactical"?

#41 Post by gamekeeper » Wed Feb 13, 2019 5:42 am

I'm happy to see guys take up shooting, if Tacticool is what floats their boat that's fine, just because it don't float mine I see no reason to sink their boat. I saw how a lot of British shooters did nothing to stop our fascist gun laws just because their s by s Purdey was not threatened. Sixgun certainly has my respect regarding this thread but boy that Mossberg is hard to love.. :lol:
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