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#1 Post by mos » Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:03 pm

Hey all!

Longtime reader and piker poster here. Thought I'd share some pics of my most recent couple of levergun acquisitions. I'm mostly a vintage military collector and shooter (Garands, SMLEs, K98s, SKSs, etc. Cold War era guns), but I've owned a few levers over time. Been without one for years now and reading y'alls thoughts regularly on this forum caught me the bug again!

About a year and a half ago I decided to find an original Marlin 1894C, mostly because I shoot a bunch of .357 now and love the carbine/revolver pairing idea. I hunt in VA and shoot an old pre-lock 6" 686-3, carry a 66-2 sometimes, etc.

Long story short this turned into a long running 1894C fever thing, and I've ended up with a pair of them. One built in 1982 (blue trigger) now sports an old Redfield receiver sight I was lucky enough to find on ebay recently, and the other one built in 1980 (gold trigger) is wearing an El Paso Weaver K3-W. My aging eyes can no longer handle barrel-mounted sights (in other words I now stink at anything other than short range shooting with my K98s... sigh...).

Might consider replacing the original rear sight on the receiver-sighted one with a slot-blank as I do catch a slim portion of it in the sighting picture, though not enough to be really problematic.

So, here they are. I'm not the greatest photographer in the world, but I hope y'all love them as much as I do!

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Haven't shot either one yet, as I've been grooving on the hunt for them, sights/optics, etc. Hitting my club this weekend if it doesn't snow to do so for the first time. I shoot Remington HTP 180gr out of my 686, as it is the most accurate commercial load I could find for that gun. Own a Redding turret press I haven't set up yet and will start to reload this year. In the meantime I'm hoping to wring at least acceptable accuracy out of these with the HTP. My estimate of ballistics for the combo is:

Remington HTP .357 Magnum 180gr SJHP
- BC: .202; SD: .164
1,665fps MV / 1,123fpe ME (Estimated fr/ 18.5")
- MPBR (+/- 3", Sight @ Bore +.75") 150yds / 1,243fps / 618fpe
- 0@8|1.4@25|2.6@50|3@65-75|0@128|-3@150
- MPBR (150yds): Penetration 16", Expansion: .560" (Estimated)

Anyone here ever measure the 180gr HTP out of a 18.5" tube?


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#2 Post by 1894c » Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:08 pm

I just recently changed my levergun handle tp "1894c" because I followed your same path (I did this once before...sold what I had...was stuck on stupid). I now own two Marlin 1894C's and one Henry Big Boy Steel Carbine. Like yours, my first 1894C was made in 1982 and the other is a 2018 REMarlin. I've decided that that I like the .357-mag more than I like the .30WCF.

What drove my decision to go all in for the 1894C was the ability to shoot either .357 or .38-special, the cost of reloading, it's a great rifle to plink with, and that I only Mule-Deer hunt once a year. I have receiver sights on the 1894C's and use the factory iron-sights on the Henry (been thinking about putting a rail on the REMarlin in order to install an AimPoint-- an urban assault levergun).

mos -- I also like your pics... :)

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#3 Post by 1894c » Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:14 pm

mos wrote:
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Anyone here ever measure the 180gr HTP out of a 18.5" tube?
MOS -- that is the direction that I'm heading too. Others here have used that bullet and weight (I think). I believe that a 180 grain bullet with a 1894C is a lethal combo... :)

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#4 Post by mos » Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:31 pm

Thanks, 1894C, both for the kind words about my amateur pics and for the story about your .357 levers. I should've mentioned in my first post that the ballistics workup was for the carbine with the Redfield. I'll do the same for the scoped one before the range trip this weekend.

I also really like your idea for your REMarlin. I'm going after the same basic thing with the Weaver on mine. WIth the wide view (K3-W) and low power it feels comfortable sighting with both one or two eyes open. Clearly not as well suited to that as a LER scope mounted on the barrel or a RDS like you're using, but should work okay. Plus it just fits the older carbine so well... love the straight-wall look.


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#5 Post by AJMD429 » Thu Jan 10, 2019 3:18 pm

When non-gun-owners ask me advice on what to get, it is usually at least partly for CCW and/or home-protection.

I typically start them with a revolver in 357 Mag (Ruger GP-100 if 'nightstand' use, or SP-101 if CCW) and tell them to practice with 38 Spl light loads (or better yet get a 22 LR companion revolver to practice with). Then I tell them to consider a 357 Mag levergun, for ammo compatibility, and it is a good 'home protection' gun.

Just that pair of guns would have thrilled a homesteader 200 years ago, or even 100 years ago, and is no less effective these days, with the sole exception of if you're dealing with human aggressors, they may have superior firepower, but for 99% of purposes, that pair will do well. Even if there are several adversaries all armed with semiauto whatevers, then you can still deal with those types effectively if you learn to use your levergun and revolver. (still I'd prefer a semiauto of course).
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#6 Post by mos » Thu Jan 10, 2019 3:21 pm

They're fun to hunt with, too!

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#7 Post by mos » Thu Jan 10, 2019 3:40 pm

Not the SP101, clearly, but the other two for sure. At bowhunting ranges the 6" 686 works well, and with the HTP a 1894C has more energy at MPBR distance than that (at least on paper). Pretty cool.

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#8 Post by mos » Thu Jan 10, 2019 5:13 pm

1894c wrote:
Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:14 pm
mos wrote:
Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:03 pm

Anyone here ever measure the 180gr HTP out of a 18.5" tube?
MOS -- that is the direction that I'm heading too. Others here have used that bullet and weight (I think). I believe that a 180 grain bullet with a 1894C is a lethal combo... :)
To me the 180gr is a good load for hunting within the range of the setup (125yds to maybe 150yds max), but I may purpose the two carbines differently. I plan to look at 125gr JHP loads for the receiver-sighted carbine based on its potential home defense / close-range tactical role. I would be concerned about 180gr for that role, at least the home defense part, due to over-penetration. If you're of the ".30-06... turning cover into concealment for 100 years" school, that choice might not apply. :wink: The scoped carbine will definitely be hunted.

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#9 Post by 1894c » Thu Jan 10, 2019 10:47 pm

TERRY MURBACH WROTE THIS... "There is no more versatile light carbine than a .357 Magnum lever gun. Light of recoil, more powerful than a .44 Magnum sixgun, a .357 Mag lever gun handles swiftly and can be point shot out to a fair distance almost like a shotgun. The average Marlin, Rossi, or Browning .357 will hit near 2200 fps with Federal or Cor-Bon .357-125 JHP loads; these splatter soft targets. Most .357-158 gr loads fly at 1750-1800 fps and are deadly on deer sized game. The Cor-Bon .357-140 JHP’s go 1850 fps out of my Rossi and are my favorite load. The Cor-Bon .357-180’s are superior deer killers and hit 1550 from my Rossi. I always have a .357 lever gun near by 24 hours a day, home or on the road." ... :)

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#10 Post by mos » Thu Jan 10, 2019 11:23 pm

1894c wrote:
Thu Jan 10, 2019 10:47 pm
TERRY MURBACH WROTE THIS... "There is no more versatile light carbine than a .357 Magnum lever gun. Light of recoil, more powerful than a .44 Magnum sixgun, a .357 Mag lever gun handles swiftly and can be point shot out to a fair distance almost like a shotgun. The average Marlin, Rossi, or Browning .357 will hit near 2200 fps with Federal or Cor-Bon .357-125 JHP loads; these splatter soft targets. Most .357-158 gr loads fly at 1750-1800 fps and are deadly on deer sized game. The Cor-Bon .357-140 JHP’s go 1850 fps out of my Rossi and are my favorite load. The Cor-Bon .357-180’s are superior deer killers and hit 1550 from my Rossi. I always have a .357 lever gun near by 24 hours a day, home or on the road." ... :)
What do you think he meant by “splatter soft targets”? Was that praise or a damning comment?

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#11 Post by AJMD429 » Thu Jan 10, 2019 11:40 pm

I'm thinkin' knowing TERRY he meant that there's some targets you want to 'splatter'.... :twisted:
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#12 Post by Paladin » Thu Jan 10, 2019 11:59 pm

GREAT finds and rifles. I don't have one in .357 but carry the .44 MAG often. I have a red dot on it as even with my latest pair of glasses I can't see the sights well enough, as I used to

A bit beat up from carrying but works well even after dark.

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#13 Post by Rusty » Fri Jan 11, 2019 6:54 am

when you get past 60 years old Skinner sights can be your best friend.
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#14 Post by mos » Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:06 am

AJMD429 wrote:
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I'm thinkin' knowing TERRY he meant that there's some targets you want to 'splatter'.... :twisted:
Indeed there are. Great quote of his, btw. Thanks for that.

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#15 Post by mos » Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:26 am

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GREAT finds and rifles. I don't have one in .357 but carry the .44 MAG often. I have a red dot on it as even with my latest pair of glasses I can't see the sights well enough, as I used to .
Thanks, Paladin. Aging eyes have been the bane of my shooting and hunting life. Biggest hardship for me has been progressive lenses. Still haven’t fully adjusted to them (recovered from them???) with handgun shooting.

On the RDS / lever carbine combo, I may have to try that sometime. I’m pretty much an old-gun guy... even these 1894Cs and my utility revolvers from the 80’s are now considered “vintage”. However, a modern lever carbine in .357 with a factory installed rail and a LER scope or RDS sounds kinda cool to me. Maybe something like:

https://www.marlinfirearms.com/lever-ac ... -1894-csbl

I try to not spend money on modern guns. Only so much to divert from family/life into the hobby space, and I want most of that for old milsurps. A rig like the above, though... well... it’s tempting.


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#16 Post by mos » Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:33 am

Rusty wrote:
Fri Jan 11, 2019 6:54 am
when you get past 60 years old Skinner sights can be your best friend.
True enough, Rusty.

I looked at those for the receiver-sighted 1894C. Would have gone with them too, if I hadn’t stumbled acrross the Redfield on eBay recently. It was pricey as hell, but I had looked for an old steel Lyman or Redfield for frickin’ ages with no luck and I ponied up.

One advantage the Skinners have over the Redfield or any other old sight is the pairing with better front sights. I hate mixing and matching aftermarket parts and the Skinner front/rear sets look great.


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#17 Post by wm » Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:43 am

You got a nice pair.

I don't often say that to another fellah.


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#18 Post by mos » Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:18 am

wm wrote:
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You got a nice pair.

I don't often say that to another fellah.


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Thanks, wm. I like the concept of pairing and usually think about my utility guns (and sometimes my collectibles, cuz I don't honestly shoot every single one of them) that way. Big revolver for open carry and mid-size or little one for concealed carry, hunting rifle and small belt-gun for feral animals or dispatch. Matching .357 carbines, one receiver-sighted and one scoped, and so on. In the last case, one is none and two is one.

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#19 Post by earlmck » Fri Jan 11, 2019 12:19 pm

Cute kids you got there mos. And that Redfield receiver sight is some real class.
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#20 Post by mos » Fri Jan 11, 2019 3:12 pm

earlmck wrote:
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Cute kids you got there mos. And that Redfield receiver sight is some real class.
Thanks! Would've been thrilled to find any steel Lyman 66 LA or Redfield 70 OM, but a Redfield 80 OM with the target knobs was amazing and worth the coin!

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#21 Post by Les Staley » Fri Jan 11, 2019 3:36 pm

In my best imitation of Napoleon Dynamite, "LUCKY". Good choices! I had two at one time, they got to valuable to keep...can't remember what I bought with all that money......oh well.
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#22 Post by mos » Fri Jan 11, 2019 4:15 pm

Les Staley wrote:
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In my best imitation of Napoleon Dynamite, "LUCKY". Good choices! I had two at one time, they got to valuable to keep...can't remember what I bought with all that money......oh well.
Les - That's often how my horse-trading goes as well. I've looked back on too many of my trades and sales with deep regret.

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#23 Post by 1894c » Fri Jan 11, 2019 4:19 pm

Les Staley wrote:
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In my best imitation of Napoleon Dynamite, "LUCKY". Good choices! I had two at one time, they got to valuable to keep...can't remember what I bought with all that money......oh well.
Les Staley-- I, like you had two older 1894C's a few years back... then a friend of mine who owns a gunshop called me and made me an offer I couldn't refuse, so like a dummy I sold them. Bought other assorted new and used Marlin 336's and other stuff that I don't remember. So now I'm back where I started and sold off the 336's. I just like the versatility of the .357-Magunm in a levergun, it's my everything levergun... :)

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#24 Post by mos » Fri Jan 11, 2019 5:12 pm

Hey... before I post a WTB in the Classifieds section, thought I'd ask the 1894C and general Marlin aficionados on this thread... anyone have an old JM-marked 336/1894 hammer spur they want to turn into money? I need one for the scoped twin...

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#25 Post by mos » Fri Jan 11, 2019 10:57 pm

mos wrote:
Fri Jan 11, 2019 5:12 pm
Hey... before I post a WTB in the Classifieds section, thought I'd ask the 1894C and general Marlin aficionados on this thread... anyone have an old JM-marked 336/1894 hammer spur they want to turn into money? I need one for the scoped twin...

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Hope the solicitation didn’t kill the conversation.

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#26 Post by Old Savage » Fri Jan 11, 2019 11:00 pm

Have an 1979. Slick as can be as are a 35 Rem and a 375 of the same year.
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#27 Post by mos » Fri Jan 11, 2019 11:02 pm

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Have an 1979. Slick as can be as are a 35 Rem and a 375 of the same year.
Sounds like a nice trio. All ‘79? Got pics? How are they set up?

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#28 Post by Plottman » Sat Jan 12, 2019 11:06 am

Great guns and you pictures are better than mine, Please let me know which one you like the best, I find that my scoped guns stay in the safe more than my peep sight guns. I am not sure why, my scoped guns work great, but i just grab the peep sights. very confident with them .

I agree with peep sights for over 60, tried a Skinner on my trapper a.e. and increased sight radius was major improvement for me, i liked it so much put one on my 20 inch a.e. and put a providence / Lyman 21 reproduction on my Miroku 30-06, 1895. all increased shot groups greatly. still have to shoot 1895 at longer ranges to mark index on Lyman reproduction.

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#29 Post by mos » Sat Jan 12, 2019 12:52 pm

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Great guns and you pictures are better than mine, Please let me know which one you like the best, I find that my scoped guns stay in the safe more than my peep sight guns. I am not sure why, my scoped guns work great, but i just grab the peep sights. very confident with them .

I agree with peep sights for over 60, tried a Skinner on my trapper a.e. and increased sight radius was major improvement for me, i liked it so much put one on my 20 inch a.e. and put a providence / Lyman 21 reproduction on my Miroku 30-06, 1895. all increased shot groups greatly. still have to shoot 1895 at longer ranges to mark index on Lyman reproduction.
Appreciate the kind words, Plottman. For me it depends on usage. I’ve been hunting in low light early and late in the day and had to hold a shot with a peep-sighted rifle because I just didn’t think I could ethically take it. Pretty sure in each case that with a scope - even a low powered one - I would’ve been able to take the shot.

I actually enjoy shooting (and definitely carrying) rifles without scopes more than scoped ones, but if I ever need to be sure of a shot at the edge of my clear range of vision (shorter all the time) or in low light conditions, I’ll take a scoped rifle (or ML) every single time.

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#30 Post by AJMD429 » Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:13 pm

mos wrote:
Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:26 am
On the RDS / lever carbine combo, I may have to try that sometime. I’m pretty much an old-gun guy... even these 1894Cs and my utility revolvers from the 80’s are now considered “vintage”. However, a modern lever carbine in .357 with a factory installed rail and a LER scope or RDS sounds kinda cool to me. Maybe something like:

https://www.marlinfirearms.com/lever-ac ... -1894-csbl
These were my inexpensive solutionsfor levergun-versions of a 'ranch/scout rifle'...

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=46640#p583183

Better than a 'tactical' AR for chores and home-protection 99% of the time:

WAY less muzzle flash (try shooting an AR in your house at night.... :shock: )
WAY less noise (i don't wear hearing protection when out checking livestock)
Less likely to go through/past a target and injure someone a half mile away.
Plenty of power to deal with barnyard pests, feral cats, raccoons, and your average meth-head.

.....what's not to like....? 8)
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#31 Post by mos » Sat Jan 12, 2019 2:34 pm

AJMD429 wrote:
Sat Jan 12, 2019 1:13 pm
mos wrote:
Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:26 am
On the RDS / lever carbine combo, I may have to try that sometime. I’m pretty much an old-gun guy... even these 1894Cs and my utility revolvers from the 80’s are now considered “vintage”. However, a modern lever carbine in .357 with a factory installed rail and a LER scope or RDS sounds kinda cool to me. Maybe something like:

https://www.marlinfirearms.com/lever-ac ... -1894-csbl
These were my inexpensive solutionsfor levergun-versions of a 'ranch/scout rifle'...

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=46640#p583183

Better than a 'tactical' AR for chores and home-protection 99% of the time:

WAY less muzzle flash (try shooting an AR in your house at night.... :shock: )
WAY less noise (i don't wear hearing protection when out checking livestock)
Less likely to go through/past a target and injure someone a half mile away.
Plenty of power to deal with barnyard pests, feral cats, raccoons, and your average meth-head.

.....what's not to like....? 8)
I DO like. Very much.

Counterpoint to my own prior comment, the one case in which I would take irons/peeps over a scope is the 0-50 yard tactical role. Field of vision and completely natural/easy both-eyes-open bullet-onto-brass thing wins over my low-power Weaver.

Your receiver and forward-mounted RDS rigs surely beat that out, though. Nice work, sir. I particularly like the tube-mounted light.


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#32 Post by RIHMFIRE » Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:34 pm

very, very nice
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#33 Post by gundownunder » Wed Jan 16, 2019 6:07 am

I'm also a fan of the 357, although mine is the 1894 CB with the 20" oct. barrel.
I do like the look of that Redfield receiver sight on yours. Mine wears a Lyman, but for good looks I'd switch to one of those Redfields, if they were less like hens teeth over here.
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