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earthquake casualty

#1 Post by hfcable » Sun Jan 06, 2019 10:40 pm

earthquake threw a bunch of my guns out of the racks...several dings and scratches but one of my favorites got hurt big time.....

model 1894 iin 38/55 made in 1895
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here it is with its sister also made in 1895 but in 25/35 caliber

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hopefully i can find someone to put humpty dumpty back together again

[ it whispered to me that it wants to go caribou hunting at least once more ]
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Re: earthquake casualty

#2 Post by fordwannabe » Sun Jan 06, 2019 10:52 pm

I usually don’t say this to guys but ...nice pair.🤪
I would think it could be fixed but it stinks it has to be.
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Re: earthquake casualty

#3 Post by claybob86 » Mon Jan 07, 2019 12:23 am

Ouch! :( I would fix it (or get it fixed) and put a note under the butt plate saying what happened and where and when, for historical purposes.
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Re: earthquake casualty

#4 Post by OldWin » Mon Jan 07, 2019 12:33 am

Things like that just make me want to cry.
Sorry this happened to your fine rifle.
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Re: earthquake casualty

#5 Post by Sixgun » Mon Jan 07, 2019 1:15 am

Dang......Niiiiccceeeee rifles Harold!.......Makes me want to cry......but....it is fixable. Would not be hard but would require a refinish....deluxes are usually varnished........remove all finish........glue with the proper glue and allow no runout....... and clamp........sand very very lightly on the glue line......refinish........let dry......reinstall....

The biggest headache would be to match the varnish texture/color with the forend.

Take her out hunting in a snowstorm a few times....let it sit under the bunk between snowstorms....put it in the shed for the rest of the winter.......then do something with your rack system at home. :lol: good luck----6
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Re: earthquake casualty

#6 Post by hfcable » Mon Jan 07, 2019 2:03 am

thanks guys......this repair is beyond my non-existent skills so i will try to find someone who can do it right

it is a very good shooter, perfectly balanced etc as some may recall,i used it to drop 2 caribou at once, that were running full speed down a gravel bar......the great balance and the tang sight just made it seem easy ..... it is a well used but [ until now ] not abused rifle

well, hope it gets to go with me again
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Re: earthquake casualty

#7 Post by 1894c » Mon Jan 07, 2019 2:38 am

+1 on the OUCH... somebody on this great forum should know someone who can fix that levergun. I do like SIX's approach, did that with my Father's Ithaca Deer Slayer, but the Ithaca is not even close to your '94... :)

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Re: earthquake casualty

#8 Post by GunnyMack » Mon Jan 07, 2019 7:30 am

That's a crying shame! Looks like a clean break, should glue up fine. Might need a couple pins through the wrist but they would be visible, would draw attention to the break.
A competent smith should be able to fix it, if not find a furniture maker or antique restorer
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#9 Post by Pitchy » Mon Jan 07, 2019 7:48 am

Bummer for sure :(
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#10 Post by jdad » Mon Jan 07, 2019 8:29 am

I think Marlinman recommended these guys a while ago. They must be good if the backlog is up to 24 months.

http://www.stockfixrs.com/
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Re: earthquake casualty

#11 Post by twobit » Mon Jan 07, 2019 9:21 am

How in the world do you use that peep sight on the 25-35 rifle at the top? It is WAY to close to the eye isn't it??

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Re: earthquake casualty

#12 Post by Bill in Oregon » Mon Jan 07, 2019 10:11 am

Harold, just a beautiful pair of rifles, I can very heartily recommend Dennis Smith, the "Stock Doctor," in Tygh Valley, Oregon.

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Re: earthquake casualty

#13 Post by Pete44ru » Mon Jan 07, 2019 11:23 am

twobit wrote:
Mon Jan 07, 2019 9:21 am

How in the world do you use that peep sight on the 25-35 rifle at the top?

It is WAY to close to the eye isn't it??
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Re: earthquake casualty

#14 Post by hfcable » Mon Jan 07, 2019 11:37 am

twobit wrote:
Mon Jan 07, 2019 9:21 am
How in the world do you use that peep sight on the 25-35 rifle at the top? It is WAY to close to the eye isn't it??

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it is close, and I would only use it on a light recoiling rifle, like this 25/35
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Re: earthquake casualty

#15 Post by hfcable » Mon Jan 07, 2019 11:37 am

Bill in Oregon wrote:
Mon Jan 07, 2019 10:11 am
Harold, just a beautiful pair of rifles, I can very heartily recommend Dennis Smith, the "Stock Doctor," in Tygh Valley, Oregon.

http://www.thestockdr.com/contact.php
thank you.... I am going to give them a call.

I have had this rifle since the early 1980s; it is truly a favorite. bought it at an auction; mailed in my bid [ no on line back then ] cost me all of 335 $ plus a little bit for shipping !
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Re: earthquake casualty

#16 Post by gamekeeper » Mon Jan 07, 2019 11:42 am

OldWin wrote:
Mon Jan 07, 2019 12:33 am
Things like that just make me want to cry.
Sorry this happened to your fine rifle.
+ 1 :( :( :(
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#17 Post by M. M. Wright » Mon Jan 07, 2019 12:04 pm

It's a shame but you will always remember it. I agree the peep on the 25-35 is very near the eye but probably not a problem on that caliber. I'm sure my SRC is lighter and it's kinda like shooting a rim magnum. I have a rolling block in 11.7 x 51R that taps my glasses every shot with the tang sight that is on it. I'm not changing anything on it.
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#18 Post by AJMD429 » Mon Jan 07, 2019 3:20 pm

A good woodworker can repair almost anything and make it look good AND be strong, thanks to the wonders of acrylics and epoxies.

I've seen even Spalted Wood used for strength-requiring applications, when reinforced with enough synthetic stuff in or under it.
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#19 Post by Griff » Mon Jan 07, 2019 9:26 pm

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Re: earthquake casualty

#20 Post by Merle » Mon Jan 07, 2019 9:31 pm

GunnyMack wrote:
Mon Jan 07, 2019 7:30 am
That's a crying shame! Looks like a clean break, should glue up fine. Might need a couple pins through the wrist but they would be visible, would draw attention to the break.
A competent smith should be able to fix it, if not find a furniture maker or antique restorer
if you recess the pins and put a plug over them, they will be much harder to see.....
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#21 Post by AJMD429 » Mon Jan 07, 2019 11:35 pm

Merle wrote:
Mon Jan 07, 2019 9:31 pm
GunnyMack wrote:
Mon Jan 07, 2019 7:30 am
That's a crying shame! Looks like a clean break, should glue up fine. Might need a couple pins through the wrist but they would be visible, would draw attention to the break.
A competent smith should be able to fix it, if not find a furniture maker or antique restorer
if you recess the pins and put a plug over them, they will be much harder to see.....
A good woodworker can place the pins and any other pegs or reinforcements entirely on the inside so nothing is visible.
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Re: earthquake casualty

#22 Post by hfcable » Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:54 am

AJMD429 wrote:
Mon Jan 07, 2019 11:35 pm
Merle wrote:
Mon Jan 07, 2019 9:31 pm
GunnyMack wrote:
Mon Jan 07, 2019 7:30 am
That's a crying shame! Looks like a clean break, should glue up fine. Might need a couple pins through the wrist but they would be visible, would draw attention to the break.
A competent smith should be able to fix it, if not find a furniture maker or antique restorer
if you recess the pins and put a plug over them, they will be much harder to see.....
A good woodworker can place the pins and any other pegs or reinforcements entirely on the inside so nothing is visible.
that’s what i want!
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#23 Post by Nate Kiowa Jones » Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:00 am

As clean as that break is it can be glued using a thin CA glue. This brand is thin as water so it wicks into the crack really well.
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If it won't clamp use surgical tubing wrapped around it to clamp it together. Flood it in under the tang areas paying attention to over flow. Wipe it off with a clean lint free rag before it sets.

This stuff is strong. If you get a good fit you won't need to pin it.
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#24 Post by BlaineG » Tue Jan 08, 2019 3:32 am

Heart breaking...
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#25 Post by hfcable » Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:45 pm

Nate Kiowa Jones wrote:
Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:00 am
As clean as that break is it can be glued using a thin CA glue. This brand is thin as water so it wicks into the crack really well.
Starbond EM-02 Super Fast Thin, PREMIUM

If it won't clamp use surgical tubing wrapped around it to clamp it together. Flood it in under the tang areas paying attention to over flow. Wipe it off with a clean lint free rag before it sets.

This stuff is strong. If you get a good fit you won't need to pin it.
thanks! that sounds perfect to me...maybe I could even do it myself.
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#26 Post by Sixgun » Tue Jan 08, 2019 3:59 pm

In lieu of surgical tubing....wait...your a doctor......mmmmm.....ok, for others who are not heroin/speed addicts or doctors who don't have surgical tubing, take a bicycle tire tube and cut it length wise about 1/2" or an inch wide. Works wonders for clamping odd shaped wood.

I saw it this octagon 1899 Savage in 38-55 at a show some 20-25 years ago........the buttstock was black with some kind of a soot coating...dunno.....I paid a huge $400 for it and coming home I found out why I got it cheap....everything else on the rifle was near perfect....but a black stock? Took off the buttplate off then started for the bolt that holds the stock on......poof! The stock came off in my hands with the front end still bolted to the receiver.

That's why it had "black shyt " on the wrist. The wrist was severely oil soaked with the wood being mushy. A totally ruined stock. Not for me, where there is a will there is a way....I wanted to keep this rifle 100% original.

After many repeated applications of finish remover and/or oven cleaner, bleach baths.....the grease was gone and the grain was raised. Using a quality wood glue , both ends were very very carefully pressed back together with every strand of wood going where they were when the tree was growing. Like Nate Kiowa Jones says....no pins needed if done correctly.

Only a very slight sanding at the crack line.....not altering the stock at all.......several coats of Formbly's tung oil hand rubbed varnish and presto! It would take a magnifying glass to see where the crack was and that is only if you KNEW there was a crack there. A few years later that rifle came with me on an elk hunt in Colorado.....didn't shoot nothing but I was confidant in its strength.-----Hey, I'm a peon with zero training...you can do it!------6

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Re: earthquake casualty

#27 Post by GunnyMack » Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:11 pm

For a cross grain break just gluing the joint would be fine. In this case the break is with the grain. Sure there is lots of glue surface but it will be a weak joint. A couple pins through the joint will add strength to the joint.

With recoil being transfered through the wrist a long grain split will tend to crack again.

Think of karate, the boards they break are long grain because it will break- just try to break a board across the grain.

Just my 2 cents and 35 years of wood working.
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#28 Post by Sixgun » Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:10 pm

Gunny.....on second thought...take a look at the tang area where the wrist meets the receiver........those chunks that came off from the corners......tang/receiver.......where it's near impossible to "make right". Possible inlay with some serious luck involved to make the grain match........Harold....look carefully around the crash zone for small pieces of wood...they would help.

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#29 Post by hfcable » Tue Jan 08, 2019 11:00 pm

Sixgun wrote:
Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:10 pm
Gunny.....on second thought...take a look at the tang area where the wrist meets the receiver........those chunks that came off from the corners......tang/receiver.......where it's near impossible to "make right". Possible inlay with some serious luck involved to make the grain match........Harold....look carefully around the crash zone for small pieces of wood...they would help.

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#30 Post by missionary5155 » Fri Jan 11, 2019 2:41 pm

Greetings
First... that saddens my heart !!! That was a beautiful chunk of wood. I sure would try to save it.
Living in Southern Peru on the "Rim of fire" we have had stuff smack the floor also... But thanks to God never anything of great value or so beautiful and useful as your Winchester.
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