Help needed with Rossi 92 disassembly

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Help needed with Rossi 92 disassembly

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So, after getting Steve's excellent video (and watching a couple of others on YT), today I made my first attempt at disassembling my Rossie 92. Those of you who own this rifle and have torn it down know that after removing the stock and lower tang/hammer assemblies, the next move is to remove a short pin from the bolt; this is done by first removing a short screw from the left side of the receiver, the flipping the rifle over and using a pre-drilled hole in the receiver to tap out the pin. Every video I have watched on this step shows the pin just popping out easily. Mine, however, will not move. Now, I realize that the bolt must be fully closed to allow the pin to exit the receiver, and as far a I can see (magnifying glass and flashlight), it has a clear exit path when the bolt is in position. At first I tap-tap-tapped, and when I got no results and thinking the pin just might be binding, I added a small drop of gun oil to it and gave it a heftier whack. No joy; as far as I can tell, it ain't moving. So, any suggestions (short of taking to my closest gunsmith, who I am a bit leery of from stories heard)? FWIW, this pin is chamfered on one end (the one that goes in first when replacing) and knurled on the other. My fear is some moron in the factory put it in backward and now it's just stuck. I appreciate any assistance you all can lend; my goal is to do a action smoothing/modifying job on it per Steve's guide, but I'm (or, it's) stuck. Many thanks!
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I THINK did you get that? That the lever has to be slightly over en otherwise it is under tension. I have an older one from the eighties and I didn’t have a problem but it has been a couple years.
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Why was it necessary to take it apart? Just curious.
I've owned Model '92s, '94s and '95s for thirty plus years and have yet had a reason to take one apart, even after I ended up in a creek on my back with a '95 SRC. Other than the stocks, Dry it, Blow it out, clean it and oil it up and everything is good.

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Re: Help needed with Rossi 92 disassembly

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As noted, I wanted to do an action job on the rifle; I bought it used at a gun store and the action is pretty stiff. Steve (of StevesGunz, a sponsor here) offers a DVD on modding the parts to smooth out the action, trigger pull, etc. Plus I'm naturally curious and have mechanical skills that have allowed me to mod other guns I own (safely, always safely). Once I saw how relatively simple it is to tear this rifle down to a near empty receiver, I decided to take a crack at it. I'll probably have to take it to a gunsmith and have the pin bored out, but I don't know that I can get a replacement part. Sigh....
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fordwannabe wrote: Fri Nov 23, 2018 4:46 pm I THINK did you get that? That the lever has to be slightly over en otherwise it is under tension. I have an older one from the eighties and I didn’t have a problem but it has been a couple years.
I'm sorry, not following. What does the lever have to be, and what is under tension, the pin? The bolt has to be completely closed, or the pin will not line up with the hole in the receiver that it exits.
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Look to make sure that lever/bolt pin isn't actually a screw.
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RIght, no worries there. I managed to get it out, but by sheer chance. When I tried to tap it out before removing the lower tang/hammer group, it came right out. I have no idea why having the trigger and lower tang removed would affect the movement of that bolt pin, but apparently it did. Live and learn!
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Scrondar wrote: Fri Nov 23, 2018 7:32 pm RIght, no worries there. I managed to get it out, but by sheer chance. When I tried to tap it out before removing the lower tang/hammer group, it came right out. I have no idea why having the trigger and lower tang removed would affect the movement of that bolt pin, but apparently it did. Live and learn!

When you removed the lower tang/trigger group, the back end of the lever exerted pressure on the front of the lever, which acted to bind the finger lever link pin ffrom being easily removed.

When you get to re-assembling your Model 92, please don't forget to slip an empty cartridge case under the extractor when you slide the bolt forward to re-install the pin.

THEN, ensure that the pin is fully seated, as if it's not, then the proud end will stop bolt movement, due to it hanging up on an internal receiver/guide surface.(don't ask how I know this)


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Hi Jeff,
First, thanks for buying my stuff. What I have found is it really has nothing to do with the lower tang position. It has more to do with Rossi's sometimes poor machining. The holes in the reciever don't always line up with the bolts. It makes it difficult to get the pin in and worse getting it out. Going in the bevel on the lead end of the pin helps line things up. But, coming out the back end of the pin (the knurled end) is flat. So it tends to hang up easier. What I have done in the past is once I get it apart I'll bevel the knurled end just slightly hoping it will help if it ever has to come apart again.
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Steve-
Thanks for the reply. And yeah, I could not figure how the lower tang could affect that pin in any way. Yet, when I tried it as you demonstrate, that sucker would not budge. So, just for %#&@ and giggles, I tried the way this other fellow did it, and sure enough, it came right out. Very weird. Now, onto a new problem: I could not, try as I might, get the spring you sent with your kit to work in the ejector assembly. I even tried inserting the lever into the bolt, as you show in your video, but I couldn't get it to catch like you did and then put the pin in to make sure of the function; a close up of how you do that would be a great addition to the reassembly video. So, the stock spring went back in, and using the dummy round to get the bolt back into the receiver was a breeze. Again, very weird. Anyhow, thanks again for replying here. If you have any suggestions on the spring, please pass them along. :)
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Scrondar wrote: Fri Nov 23, 2018 7:32 pm RIght, no worries there. I managed to get it out, but by sheer chance. When I tried to tap it out before removing the lower tang/hammer group, it came right out. I have no idea why having the trigger and lower tang removed would affect the movement of that bolt pin, but apparently it did. Live and learn!
When you removed the lower tang/trigger group, the back end of the lever exerted pressure on the front of the lever, which acted to bind the finger lever link pin ffrom being easily removed.
Ah, that makes sense, and seems a logical answer to that particular problem.
When you get to re-assembling your Model 92, please don't forget to slip an empty cartridge case under the extractor when you slide the bolt forward to re-install the pin.
Right. Did that, and got the bolt (and the pin) in easily. 8)
THEN, ensure that the pin is fully seated, as if it's not, then the proud end will stop bolt movement, due to it hanging up on an internal receiver/guide surface.(don't ask how I know this)
Yup. My first attempt to seat that pin resulted in a stopped bolt. I figured the pin needed a bit more, ah, encouragement, and that got things moving. (Heh, I know how you know)

One last observation: I have watched every video I can get my hands on about working on this rifle, and every operation on my gun was an exercise in frustration. The odd reader of this thread may (actually, has) ask: "Why bother?" I was really looking forward to doing a smoothing job on the action and getting to know how the gun works. Once I got it back together, the action is stiffer than when I bought it, so clearly I did something wrong. Yes, it functions and will fire safely, but my initial goal was unsuccessful. :oops: I may take another run at it, but not for a spell.
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No. Do it again. It’s way easier the second time. My first 92 take apart and reassemble was like yours. I forget what made mine stiffer.

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Tycer wrote: Sat Nov 24, 2018 10:15 pm
No.

Do it again.

It’s way easier the second time.

Yep - practice makes perfect...…………………………… ;)

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Scrondar wrote: Sat Nov 24, 2018 8:40 pm[...I was really looking forward to doing a smoothing job on the action and getting to know how the gun works. Once I got it back together, the action is stiffer than when I bought it, so clearly I did something wrong...
I too, had this phenomenon hit me when I did my first Rossi '92... then again when I did the second. I'd swear that I put everything back just like it came out... but, upon tearing it down I'd find something that wasn't according to Hoyle, or Nate in this case. Although at the time I didn't know it was Nate... (1986). And a major portion of why I can't remember exactly what I'd done "wrong". My last '92 didn't suffer from any post "smoothing" stiffness.
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this is exactly why I walked away from Rossi 92's...I liked the gun I just didn't like the build quality...IS ROSSI MAKING THE 92 ANYMORE? ... :(
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30-30 wrote: Wed Nov 28, 2018 3:24 am this is exactly why I walked away from Rossi 92's...I liked the gun I just didn't like the build quality...IS ROSSI MAKING THE 92 ANYMORE? ... :(
Sort of. Rossi was acquired in about 2009 by Taurus. The product list was narrowed down somewhat. (no more 20" octagons) In the last few years they have also dropped the other octagon guns along with the 454 Casull's and 44-40's.
Recently, or the last two years more or less they haven't exported any guns. It is my understanding they were moved the facility to a new location. Just recently they have sent some stainless 20" round barrel 357's. These and 20" stainless 44 mags are the only two listed in their 2018 product list. I'm hoping that once they get caught up some of the other models will return.
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mine is an octagon, maybe if they don't come back into production, the demand for used octagons in the future will keep the prices up.
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Tycer wrote: Sat Nov 24, 2018 10:15 pm No. Do it again. It’s way easier the second time. My first 92 take apart and reassemble was like yours. I forget what made mine stiffer.

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Well, after reading the generous replies here, I will have another go at it. Outside of trigger replacement, this is the deepest I have delved into 'smithing (if it can be called that) on any firearm I own, so it's not surprising that I would run into unanticipated problems. I realize now that watching several videos led me into a mindset that all would go smoothly, by the numbers. That's on me; next time in, I will be paying much more attention to detail and function. Thanks again to all! :)
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