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You may be interested in seeing my updated comments dated April 8, 2018, which are added to the "Face Book" thread by Hobie in the "ANNOUNCEMENTS" section above this "General" topic section.

My concerns for gun enthusiasts who advertise their names are well meaning, whether you agree with them or not.
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If anyone wants to delete their facebook account, here's some info on it:

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As long as I'm alive, I will not let "aunties" dictate how and where I spend my time. :evil:
They have just as much access to THIS site as they do anyplace else. :wink:
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I wouldn't waste my time with FB, if I want to talk to you I'll call ya or better yet go to see you.
Have to admit I opened an account years ago, would check it once a week or so.all the 'friends' were constantly giving me krap about never being on it all day everyday. My response to all was that I was actually WORKING, not sitting in front of a keyboard and half of you people i didn't care for when we were in school and the other half i didn't want to know.

This leads me to what i really hate about our society now, everyone is FOLLOWING someone else...we used to be a country of LEADERS! I don't follow anyone/ anything. Never have never will.

So if zuckerturd's company goes belly up it ain't gonna bother me one iota!
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if I want to talk to you I'll call ya or better yet go to see you
:lol: :lol: I guess I'll stop holding my breath. :lol: :lol:
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BlaineG wrote: Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:33 pm As long as I'm alive, I will not let "aunties" dictate how and where I spend my time. :evil:
They have just as much access to THIS site as they do anyplace else. :wink:
Given the huge differences between the two sites - eg the vast amount of personal information most folks collect and display on FlakeBook, comings and goings, patterns showing when they vacation or are not home, family and friends' links, personal info given there, and the fact that most "Levergunners" don't share first and last names and city of residence - there is quite a bit of difference between FB and Leverguns or most any other Internet blog site.

But nobody is telling you what to do, and to twist an old British saying, "I'm not yer uncle."

You can lead a horse to water, but...

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JohndeFresno wrote: Wed Apr 11, 2018 4:10 pm
BlaineG wrote: Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:33 pm As long as I'm alive, I will not let "aunties" dictate how and where I spend my time. :evil:
They have just as much access to THIS site as they do anyplace else. :wink:
Given the huge differences between the two sites - eg the vast amount of personal information most folks collect and display on FlakeBook, comings and goings, patterns showing when they vacation or are not home, family and friends' links, personal info given there, and the fact that most "Levergunners" don't share first and last names and city of residence - there is quite a bit of difference between FB and Leverguns or most any other Internet blog site.

But nobody is telling you what to do, and to twist an old British saying, "I'm not yer uncle."

You can lead a horse to water, but...

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Sorry if it sounded that way, Blaine.

Different strokes for different folks, but I admit to being a bit curmudgeonly and opinionated.

In my state and area, crime is rampant; girly man judges, soft prosecutors, weak laws, early jail releases for burglars and even violent criminals.

I see what most folks put on Facebook which enables even drug dulled simple minded criminals and molesters to target them and shake my head in wonderment at the naivete of most FB users.

BUT your situation where you live, what you allow online, your times at home may be 180 degrees different. Not presuming to call you anything, esteemed fellow Levergunner.

I am just the kid ringing the church bell to warn my village that the banditos are coming, because there is certainly no Magnificent Seven to protect us anymore.

In another thread I might discuss the theft of my money, wallet, credit cards; my positive photo and witness ID of the local well known drug addict, based upon his trying to cash my forged $50 check and allowing the clerk to photocopy his Driver's license; his multiple probation violations, firearm violations, armed robberies and "terrorist" threats, and drug arrests - never arrested due to our new laws. Just another talking to by his useless Probation Officer. Never got my stuff back.

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Truce, Tuba Guy.
I'm not fighting with you. But, look what happened to you and you're not on FB. One Google click told me enough about "Johndefresno" John from/in/about Fresno that I could find you. Law enforcement, American Legion, etc. I'm just saying that any online activity whatsoever can expose a person. Yes, be careful. No, the Red Hoards and Marauding Mulattos are not charging up your or my street.
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Oh, boy - a contest. I love them!

Tag, I'm it. Okay...

"No, the Red Hoards and Marauding Mulattos are not charging up your or my street."

Way wrong, Blaine. Check news feeds for the gang activity in the San Joaquin Valley - drive by shootings almost every day, home invasions, mid-day burglaries in my particular, relatively "nice" neighborhood. Punks with hoodies (in the hot sun) riding bicycles almost every day, holding cell phones and reporting on houses that look vacant or that have something showing that their gangster friends can steal... The hoodies cover their faces, and they know to pull them down to cover their faces when they attempt break-ins of houses that have camera surveillance, when they can spot the cameras. Perhaps it is a much different world in my part of the world, owing in no small part to the lack of criminal justice being administered in my bleeding heart state.

You left out VFW and several other organizations, like political sites, where I probably don't show up. Remember my open letter to Mueller, when he was the FBI Director who refused to investigate the egregious Federal violation of photographed Black Panthers who brandished clubs in the polls in Philadelphia? And how I promised that I would do what I could, legally of course, to expose him as corrupt? Nothing that I did in that regard shows up anywhere. One can switch off GPS or leave those vehicles or devices behind when traveling and communicate privately if necessary. Not on FlakeBook.

Now, per your example search with Google: I don't deny that I am pretty easy to find; I don't try to hide my posts very much. So I am not the best example. I see posters here who use different names on other sites, sending the same photos and/or information, so that sometimes shows up. Me, I use the same old JohndeFresno at almost every site I belong to, so one can connect the dots pretty quickly. Ever download any of my links? You will see my full name there. But I don't post it here because the spambots then grab it to send me more junk into my mailbox.

I think that the year I joined this site is earlier than it shows, since we had a server failure, you will remember. But I think that this was the first one I ever joined. My name shows up only after I quit doing undercover field work. I moved over to training, computer forensics, programming, and computer security for my LE employer. You won't even find my name mentioned in any local papers that are archived in my area. That is because I avoided the Press and stayed completely off the Internet channels except for a fairly secure e-mail address.

But for a few bucks, you can find out names, addresses, relatives, and other records on almost anybody - except those truly off the grid, like some Alaskans. The main point to consider:
Do I make it extremely easy for the scumbags to find me, or do I at least hide in the middle of that flight of birds as I pass over the metaphorical duck blinds? Facebook pulls out all the stops.

What you won't find out about me, unless you know me, is my comings and goings, when the house is vacabt, who my circle of close friends are, and other stuff that need not be advertised. Unlike one poster, I have lived a clean life, at least for the most part. But to say that "my life is an open book" seems to me to be a pretty far stretch, knowing people as I do after 38+ years law enforcement and 4 years in Military Intelligence. Some things from my past were not perfect, and I don't feel I need to be reminded of them. God forgives.

Now, you are correct that there is not really any security of our info, even less because of corrupt Leftist politicians and bought out LE chiefs most especially during the last 8 years. But at least in my area, some folks are perhaps naive, as I put it, if they are not aware of the publicized break-ins, home invasion robberies, scams, and other criminal assaults and affronts that occurred as the result of FB users placing their whole lives and activities - including accounts which showed their recurring weekly or vacation schedules - onto the World Wide Web. I tried it for I think about 3 weeks and realized what a bad mistake it is. I am amazed that a person will tell me, with that blank uncomprehending stare - that they NEVER advertise when they are going to the coast. Yet their site shows a few year of photos dated the same month every year of, say, Monterey!

There is still a Facebook account in my name, swept clean, just so I can research somebody I am trying to find or if I want to read about my hero Sarah Palin or the like. But everyone has been "unfriended" and all you see is a photo of me as a young man. And I have a pretty elaborate security system that I don't talk about. And some local no-goodniks know (for reasons not necessary to state here) that it is not a super idea to break in to my home, anyway. So I am okay with my exposure; or else I would pull off all sites in a heartbeat.

I just can't make any sense of placing my whole life, and perhaps some laundry, onto FB.

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Do I win??
It's a good thing I'm not the argumentative type, or I would mention that if you follow the instructions that FB itself gives you that you can conceal your location and who can see your stuff. Ok, now you win. :lol: Do I approve of FB? Meh, but I really enjoy being in contact with old HS friends and Army buddies. Also, the friends I made here that got ran out by PC or other issues.
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Well, anyway, since Zuckerberg was caught lying and your "hidden" personal data was in fact possibly sold to a private firm without your knowledge, here is how to check if you have been compromised:
http://www.kare11.com/mobile/article/ne ... -537177995

Blaine, "hidden" to me means telling nobody, and then forgetting it myself. That's the only guaranteed secret!
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JohndeFresno wrote: Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:23 pm Well, anyway, since Zuckerberg was caught lying and your "hidden" personal data was in fact possibly sold to a private firm without your knowledge, here is how to check if you have been compromised:
http://www.kare11.com/mobile/article/ne ... -537177995

Blaine, "hidden" to me means telling nobody, and then forgetting it myself. That's the only guaranteed secret!
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No FaceBook or any other social media for me.

I send my real name and address to very few people, and mostly they
don't blab it around.

No ATM card.

NO automagic payments form my bank account.

No flying with the TSA.

No cell phone.

I find a telephone on the wall to be convenient, or I'd get rid of that, too.

And believe it or not, I have several friends just like me. Most of these
"conveniences" are not necessary, and can, in fact, be harmful.

Still, folks can find me if they need to.

YMMV.

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Tamara phrased it well "It's always puzzled me that most Facebook users don't seem to realize that they're not the customer, they're the merchandise."


Your name and address, and such shallow things as that are only a small part of what personal information they collect about you. Its about as much info as a phone book would have compared to someone having your work resume, diary, all your family stories from all your relatives, and all the stories from your friends growing up, everything you watch on TV, everything you do on the computer, (yes, EVERYTHING for the most part, like your favorite porn sites and such) not just what you do on facebook, or any other site, unless you totally wipe all cookies, history, and do an open disc cleanup after every time youve been on bookface, and every other site which has cookies and collects info. Few people do any of that.

Part of what was recently brought into the open, even if youve only clicked onto something linked to facebook, not even having an account, they still keep a file on you from just having stepped on the front sidewalk so to speak. Do you totally block 3rd party cookies? Do you block all first party cookies that you dont absolutely have to have allowed to log on somewhere? If not, about every web site youve been on has a trail of information about you from the cookies you picked up. The info isnt even about if you have a gun and letting the .gov know, thats probably way at the bottom of the priority list,... unless or until somebody is willing to pay for the information. They collect info to build a profile of you and everything you do to target advertising to you, everywhere they can, and not just on bookface or wherever the origin of the cookies is is. they SELL all that data to anyone that wants it. Your name and address is the least part of what they want, they mainly want to know where youre going on the net to target you with ads. THATS the main point of what they do, and the reason you are the MERCHANDISE, not the customer.

Somebody better up to date on this stuff may be able to add more, but I think most are not at all aware of the level of info they collect. Name and address is pretty insignificant in the great scheme of things, but by no means hard to do if they wanted to.

So, is everyone aware that facebook (and many forums and other forms of social media) has access to all your private messages also? They are not private in the sense most think of. Thats also part of the data they collect to sell for targeting ads to you. Even if you close your account there they keep all the stuff they have, and its all no doubt been sold countless times already, not like they are saving it for a rainy day. Its only valuable to sell now while its fresh.

To refresh the point, facebook, and many other online entities, are NOT making money from YOU by providing you a free service, they make money by providing everything they learn about you while using their service to somebody willing to pay them for it. Look at their earnings reports. Thats all money made from selling advertising and information on where to put it, which is in front of you or anyone else they thing is receptive to it. I dont know if you can totally characterize it as nefarious or evil, its just info and how to make a buck. Its more irritating that they take our privacy so lightly. Much of it may not even be able to connect to an individual as in, you live at such and such address, just how to put ads in front of you when youre on the computer, though its not that hard to pin down an ISP address for a physical location. Physical location isnt the real useful thing though for most of what they do, unless you notice all the junk mail you get seems like theyve been in your head and seem to know exactly what youd be interested in..
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Better throw away your computers, then, if you're worried.
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If you have a computer you're still the product. If you don't have a computer you're still the computer. Ever hear of Equifax? Transunion? Experian? They collect information on your ability to handle debt. You don't ask them to do that, they just do. Maybe the best thing we can do is to put out as much information as we can and let some of it be false, then let them figure it out. What if you're a member of Greenpeace and the NRA? The ACLU and John Birch?
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BlaineG wrote: Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:56 pm Better throw away your computers, then, if you're worried.
The "if youre worried" part is the operative part.

I dont get too worked up about the whole thing, but I also dont leave cookies permissions wide open and dump everything when I shut down for the day, or after being on places that may be flaky, like looking for an old friend or whatever and one of the only search results ends up being bookface. I learned on older, slower computers that leaving cookies wide open loaded your computer with TONS of mostly useless junk that clogged up many older computers. Its become a habit now, to keep accumulated junk down, and to annoy the entities that think they should be able to load down every computer with cookies that brushes by any site they mine data on. The only cookies I allow have to be manually accepted. My default setting is no cookies allowed anywhere unless I allow them. Still not perfect, but better than leaving it wide open.

If people leave cookies wide open, never clean up cookies and history etc, and leave it so they can be automatically logged on every site they use, they are giving away tons of info anyway, so not much point being peeved about bookface, other than bookface does it on larger levels and more personal stuff if they can.
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Malamute wrote: Sat Apr 14, 2018 11:37 am
BlaineG wrote: Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:56 pm Better throw away your computers, then, if you're worried.
The "if youre worried" part is the operative part.

I dont get too worked up about the whole thing, but I also dont leave cookies permissions wide open and dump everything when I shut down for the day, or after being on places that may be flaky, like looking for an old friend or whatever and one of the only search results ends up being bookface. I learned on older, slower computers that leaving cookies wide open loaded your computer with TONS of mostly useless junk that clogged up many older computers. Its become a habit now, to keep accumulated junk down, and to annoy the entities that think they should be able to load down every computer with cookies that brushes by any site they mine data on. The only cookies I allow have to be manually accepted. My default setting is no cookies allowed anywhere unless I allow them. Still not perfect, but better than leaving it wide open.

If people leave cookies wide open, never clean up cookies and history etc, and leave it so they can be automatically logged on every site they use, they are giving away tons of info anyway, so not much point being peeved about bookface, other than bookface does it on larger levels and more personal stuff if they can.
Yes. This. ^^^ 8) A good friend and fellow forumite does something like running the 'net off a flashdrive, or ??? I don't quite understand, but it separates his computer from the 'net?? :? :? As a Mac user, I've been told that I'm somewhat immune
to some of the hacks and problems that plague other PCs...
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BlaineG wrote: Sat Apr 14, 2018 12:56 pm
? :? As a Mac user, I've been told that I'm somewhat immune
to some of the hacks and problems that plague other PCs...
Not immune. No where near it.
You're just less of the market share, thus a smaller target.
The same thing that made PCs gain so many followers is the same thing that made them more vulnerable. Open Source
Used to be, Mac viruses were practically non-existent. Not quite s rare now

My pet peeve is people on FB claiming their account "has been hacked" . ....
No....you clicked on a link and told it to log in with FB. You GAVE your login and password away! No one hacked you.
You'd be surprised how prevalent Nigerian scams are on spoofed accounts and swap shop/trading pages.
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Not immune. No where near it.
Sorry, I know better. Most Mac users don't have an anti-virus and don't pick up worms/virus, etc. I certainly haven't and spend entirely too much time online. With the newer 128 encryption It would take billions of years to mount a successful brute force attack on your computer. That is not to say that your bank, or other institutions that have your info cannot be breeched.
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FWIW, my mantra: Actually do, or don't - actions speak louder than words...... :roll:

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BlaineG wrote: Sat Apr 14, 2018 6:19 pm
Not immune. No where near it.
Sorry, I know better. Most Mac users don't have an anti-virus and don't pick up worms/virus, etc.
You keep thinking that.
Key word, "most"

As a wise man once said, "You can lead a horse to water...."

I've been using Apple products since 1977.
They are not immune to viruses.
Just harder to do.
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vancelw wrote: Sat Apr 14, 2018 8:53 pm
BlaineG wrote: Sat Apr 14, 2018 6:19 pm
Not immune. No where near it.
Sorry, I know better. Most Mac users don't have an anti-virus and don't pick up worms/virus, etc.
You keep thinking that.
Key word, "most"

As a wise man once said, "You can lead a horse to water...."

I've been using Apple products since 1977.
They are not immune to viruses.
Just harder to do.
Good for you. Lots of folks use stuff they don't have no idea about.
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BlaineG wrote: Sat Apr 14, 2018 9:30 pm
Good for you. Lots of folks use stuff they don't have no idea about.
:lol:

Rumor has it....you have a brain.
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vancelw wrote: Sat Apr 14, 2018 11:15 pm
BlaineG wrote: Sat Apr 14, 2018 9:30 pm
Good for you. Lots of folks use stuff they don't have no idea about.
:lol:

Rumor has it....you have a brain.
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