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#1 Post by Old Ironsights » Sat Sep 09, 2017 2:06 pm

If told you could pick up a 2017 NIB compact doublestack 9mm with 2 mags RETAIL for $178 OTD... what would you NOT buy?
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#2 Post by BlaineG » Sat Sep 09, 2017 3:22 pm

That's a little sketchy on details... :)
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#3 Post by Pisgah » Sat Sep 09, 2017 3:26 pm

BlaineG wrote:
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That's a little sketchy on details... :)
Yeah, a pig in a poke at this point, which my dear old Dad said not to buy.

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#4 Post by piller » Sat Sep 09, 2017 3:39 pm

Need a brand and a little more information.
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#5 Post by Sixgun » Sat Sep 09, 2017 4:39 pm

I would not buy anything but a Colt, Ruger, Smith & Wesson, Sig, HK, Beretta,...you get the idea, there are others (good ones)but I'm brain dead at the moment....fired a couple hundred of rounds in competition today......anyway, ..with guns, you get what you pay for...no Bersa, Sterling, or other cheap junk.......I want a gun that will give me thousands of rounds of trouble free aggravation.......there's enough aggravation in life today.....like the John Deere tractor/bailer I had to follow for 11 miles at 20 mph......hilly, curvy road and could not pass.......I'm aggravated and don't need to discuss Junk guns......not to mention the crappy 26x40, 21x40, and 24x40 scores in silhouette today......a child's scores.....oh!....stay away from cheap guns, they will start to fall apart after several hundred rounds.......-----6
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#6 Post by FWiedner » Sat Sep 09, 2017 6:17 pm

If there's no paperwork and the serial number's been removed... why not?

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#7 Post by BlaineG » Sat Sep 09, 2017 8:24 pm

FWiedner wrote:
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If there's no paperwork and the serial number's been removed... why not?

:oops: :lol: :lol:
Ask me why my Winchester Model 72 had to be explained to Ft Lewis CID at the Sportsmen's Range. I dang near had to go into their office on that one. (They never HAD a serial #...if you remove a # it's a felony) :roll:
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#8 Post by Old Ironsights » Sat Sep 09, 2017 8:51 pm

Well, the local Fun Store decided to put a large pile of 2017 Taurus PT111 G2s on sale for $159 ($178 otd).

Not something I would EDC (that's what the 1911 CCO is for), but for a glove-box/throw-away one could do a LOT worse - even on the Used market. (Heck, the HiPoint's on sale cost nearly as much...)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAol3jwKXvc

So far, what I like about it is that for a cheap gun it seems surprisingly reliable, eating the first 200 rounds of mixed random 9mm without a hiccough. I also like that, unlike my G27, it is a SA/DA with multi-strike, which is less important on the range than the ability to dry fire at home without a slide rack (also a nice feature when using a LaserLyte training dingus).

But really, this is about the only time I can remember buying a pistol "just because" especially since the Because was the bank account - and not in the Kreighoff way - without doing any research.

So... I am gratified to see that Jeff likes it, and the bad reviews are not nearly as critical as even the bad reviews of HiPoints.
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#9 Post by elmo123 » Sat Sep 09, 2017 9:39 pm

I have two in 9mm and one in 40 caliber and they all are very accurate. These are striker fired double action pistols that will also take a S&W 3rd generation magazine.
I installed night sights on the 40 and one of the 9mm's. I gave a 9mm to my daughter and wouldn't have if I didn't have confidence in these pistols.

I have fired over 1000 rounds through the 9mm and 40 without a malfunction. The double action feature allows you to pull the trigger again in the event of a misfire which is something you can't do with a Glock.

I use these pistols for concealed carry and night stand duty. I have nicer S&W's and Ruger pistols that will work but if have to use one of them they are going to the police lab and who knows when they will be returned.

These pistols are made much better than the Glock's I carried as a police officer 20 years ago.

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#10 Post by Old Ironsights » Sat Sep 09, 2017 9:52 pm

Just Because (I'm still trying to figure out Pictures in a post PhotoSuckIt world)...
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Almost twice the Ammo for 1/3 the cost... but I still prefer the 1911. The longer barrel balances better, and the trigger (polished in a way that I don't think is possible on a Striker gun) is far superior.

But still...

This gives me an inexpensive 9 in/for both my vehicles - and, unlike my 1911 or NAA .32, one I wouldn't mind "disappearing" when out of State in "hostile territory" if necessary.
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#11 Post by Old Ironsights » Sat Sep 09, 2017 10:28 pm

elmo123 wrote:
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I have two in 9mm and one in 40 caliber and they all are very accurate. These are striker fired double action pistols that will also take a S&W 3rd generation magazine.
I installed night sights on the 40 and one of the 9mm's. I gave a 9mm to my daughter and wouldn't have if I didn't have confidence in these pistols.

I have fired over 1000 rounds through the 9mm and 40 without a malfunction. The double action feature allows you to pull the trigger again in the event of a misfire which is something you can't do with a Glock.

I use these pistols for concealed carry and night stand duty. I have nicer S&W's and Ruger pistols that will work but if have to use one of them they are going to the police lab and who knows when they will be returned.

These pistols are made much better than the Glock's I carried as a police officer 20 years ago.
I Grok. Fortunately I live in a pro-ccw State, so if I have to use my EDC I'm better off than most.

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Ziggy (my P226 clone) is good, but at this price point the P111 is better.

So Ziggy stays in the Truck, but Bully gets the Subaru and subsequent trips to Urban MinnesoDurkaDurka...
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#12 Post by Griff » Sat Sep 09, 2017 11:36 pm

Old Ironsights wrote:
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If told you could pick up a 2017 NIB compact doublestack 9mm with 2 mags RETAIL for $178 OTD... what would you NOT buy?
Pretty much everything in that group! :twisted: :P :D
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#13 Post by Ray » Sun Sep 10, 2017 7:28 am

there is a trite saying amongst taurus peoples that goes something like this:

" it is not a matter of i f any new taurus has to be sent back to miami for warranty work but w h e n ! "
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#14 Post by AJMD429 » Sun Sep 10, 2017 9:37 am

Ray wrote:
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there is a trite saying amongst taurus peoples that goes something like this:

" it is not a matter of i f any new taurus has to be sent back to miami for warranty work but w h e n ! "
It may be because it is a Beretta patent, but I've not really heard of problems with the PT-92/99 guns. One of mine has 8-9,000 rounds through it and no problems except one of the original factory magazines died after I dropped on a concrete floor. I use MecGars in it mostly.
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#15 Post by Old Ironsights » Sun Sep 10, 2017 10:51 am

Ray wrote:
Sun Sep 10, 2017 7:28 am
there is a trite saying amongst taurus peoples that goes something like this:

" it is not a matter of i f any new taurus has to be sent back to miami for warranty work but w h e n ! "
Why on earth would I want to send a <$200 gun out to "get fixed"? Overnight charges alone cost nearly that much.

It's a car gun. Kept within reach but shot little after the break in period. If it doesn't break during the break-in 500, it's mot likely to. If it breaks in the first 500 rounds then I will fix it myself or throw it away.
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#16 Post by Sixgun » Sun Sep 10, 2017 10:55 am

They claim older people are too set in their ways to have an open mind.....that's me.....and I blame first hand experience. Over the many years I've been playing with guns, I've seen too many malfunctions with ALL brands of semi autos....and some brands of revolvers. My best bud owns Targetmaster that has a 20 lane indoor shooting range and gun rental. I hear ALL the stories and the "gun send backs". I have a Smith Model 59 double stack 9 that I bought new in ''76? I shot that gun until the cows came home with every available type of handload and factory ammo you could think of. A couple of thou with perfect functioning. I used to brag about its reliability and one day 10 years or so later I even told one guy, "watch this, I have not shot this gun in a month or two and this baby will rip off 12 rounds like nobodies business." (I always underload full cap mags by 2 rounds). The Smith was loaded with factory Black Talons and the first shot in the tube went off fine and then stove piped. This was my carry gun at the time.

Experiences like this ruin your perception of semi autos for life. I have never had this issue with a revolver, especially a single action. My vote for ultimate reliability goes to a Ruger or Colt single action. There have been times with double actions using handloads with cast bullets that were not set in the cylinder all the way or a high primer, but that's a user issue.

Read carefully----this may save your life....--Ok, if it's a play gun, I'll relent. It's always the guns we let slip out of our conscienceness that go bad when we need them most....and yes, you younguns, guns CAN DETECT stress. That issue comes at a time when the gun is most needed and we fail to grip the gun properly or are pulling and yanking on the wrong parts.

That's why I choose a revolver....Smith & Wesson, Colt, or Ruger.
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#17 Post by Ray » Sun Sep 10, 2017 11:37 am

AJMD429 wrote:
Sun Sep 10, 2017 9:37 am
Ray wrote:
Sun Sep 10, 2017 7:28 am
there is a trite saying amongst taurus peoples that goes something like this:

" it is not a matter of i f any new taurus has to be sent back to miami for warranty work but w h e n ! "
It may be because it is a Beretta patent, but I've not really heard of problems with the PT-92/99 guns. One of mine has 8-9,000 rounds through it and no problems except one of the original factory magazines died after I dropped on a concrete floor. I use MecGars in it mostly.
I was once a taurus fan….the beretta clones had/have good reputations as do the early j and k frame smith knockoffs…..their $900 stuff like the raging bull seems to get excellent reviews but then you are in the ruger red hawk and smith x frame price range so why bother…..everything else seems 70% or more lemons….. i tried to give them (taurus) the benefit of the doubt through the 90's and early 2000's but i just nickel and dimed my self out of what i really wanted/needed $200 to $300 at a time…..waste even that small amount of money just a few times and you are suddenly in the freedom arms and bowen/clements/gallagher or other custom ruger guru guy price range…..

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#18 Post by piller » Sun Sep 10, 2017 9:22 pm

If the serial number has a D in it, it is a buy for me
Serial number with A or B means JUNK!!! Series C is a qualified MAYBE.
The series D were produced after they hired the VP of quality control from Beretta as the CEO for Taurus. The difference is so obvious that Ronnie Milsap can see it. I have become a fan of Taurus. I must admit that my liking them is only from the D series. I never bought one until the new CEO had time to bring the quality up.
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#19 Post by Old Ironsights » Sun Sep 10, 2017 10:00 pm

piller wrote:
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If the serial number has a D in it, it is a buy for me
Serial number with A or B means JUNK!!! Series C is a qualified MAYBE.
The series D were produced after they hired the VP of quality control from Beretta as the CEO for Taurus. The difference is so obvious that Ronnie Milsap can see it. I have become a fan of Taurus. I must admit that my liking them is only from the D series. I never bought one until the new CEO had time to bring the quality up.
Don't know about a "D". This is a TKT sn. with a mfg date of 3/17 and a warehouse release date of 7/14/17...
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#20 Post by piller » Sun Sep 10, 2017 10:04 pm

The date is in the D series. It should be just fine.
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#21 Post by Old Ironsights » Wed Sep 13, 2017 7:07 pm

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The date is in the D series. It should be just fine.
So far I've been pleased. It and 3 extra mags fit nicely in a fanny pack I keep behind the seat. Not a single bobble at the range, though I found the overly complicated "trigger safety" dingus to be questionable (far more so than the simple Glock style paddle... which I also disliked), so, since I'm a 1911 frame safety guy anyway, I "accidentally broke" the silly thing. I put those trigger dinguses in the same category as "magazine safeties" that need to be "accidentally broken" 5 seconds before you put the first Mag in. (did that to a Star "Firestar" .40 a decade+ ago. Funny, the lack of a "magazine safety" didn't cause the gun to leap off the table and shoot me...) Besides, plenty of other "safeties" on it for when there is nothing in the trigger well, so... meh. Muscle memory has the thumb safety covered so all is good.
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#22 Post by Pete44ru » Fri Sep 15, 2017 12:51 pm

Old Ironsights wrote:
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If told you could pick up a 2017 NIB compact doublestack 9mm with 2 mags RETAIL for $178 OTD... what would you NOT buy?

Well, the local Fun Store decided to put a large pile of 2017 Taurus PT111 G2s on sale for $159 ($178 otd).


I wouldn't buy one for the same reason that they haven't sold (yet) - Taurus handguns are (generaly) a drug on the market.


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#23 Post by Ray » Fri Sep 15, 2017 11:19 pm

I thought I had learned my lesson but apparently I just cannot pass up a "bargain(s)".....

Not tauri but Kahr ct-40 & cm-40

Everybody is mad at the .40 short & weak so they are a drug on the market....

Sportsman's guide had them recently for $221 each.....

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#24 Post by Old Ironsights » Sat Sep 16, 2017 8:34 am

They had the PT140s as well as the PT111s for about the same money.

I think the stack of 9s sold out in about 2 hours. The smaller stack of .40s took almost until noon to go.

I went with the 9 only because I already have several thousand rounds.
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#25 Post by Stevie » Sat Sep 16, 2017 10:33 am

I've noticed several sales on Taurus handguns the last few months :?: I bought a stainless M85 2" .38 revolver myself in July that the particular distributer had on sale/discount.

I can say that I've had reasonable luck with Taurus products...although plenty of shooters wouldn't touch one with a stick. They have a fair sized following of owners that love their Taurus handguns. The new M85 revolver I bought works and shoots superb.

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