Refresh my memory: which parts are needed for Win 86 conversion?

[kaschi]

To be more exact, to get rid of the rebounding hammer, tang safety etc. I'd be using Browning 1886 parts but want to be safe and get all necessary parts.

[Pete44ru]

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Parts are available from Midwest Gun Supply @ 636 475 7300.

Browning 1886 parts:
Part #PO70150 Hammer $62.67
Part #PO70290 Trigger $48.30
Add for shipping.


IIRC, one of our board members filled the oblong tang safety hole, after removing the safety mechanism, with a brass filler plate.

Fellow board member/gunsmith Mike Hunter welds/the hole shut, remarks the tang & refinishes it - or, at least he used to.


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[kaschi]

Thank you Pete! I do appreciate it. Somehow I was thinking there were more parts than just the hammer and trigger but in this case less IS better!

[Shasta]

I replaced the hammer and trigger on my current production 1886 Deluxe take-down with the Browning hammer and trigger, but left the tang safety catch in the rifle. I ground the tang safety lever under the tang at an angle just enough to clear the Browning hammer when cocked. The safety can be used to keep the hammer in the down position, but I prefer to ignore it and just use the rifle as it was originally intended. I have a Marble's tang sight with the base designed to clear the tang safety.

Shasta

[kaschi]

To each his own but my safety will be gone when this is all said and done. Had an afterthought and question though about the spring-loaded firing pin. Where would a guy locate the original style? I'd like to make that change too.

[Nate Kiowa Jones]

To each his own but my safety will be gone when this is all said and done. Had an afterthought and question though about the spring-loaded firing pin. Where would a guy locate the original style? I'd like to make that change too.

To get the most from the conversion that inertia firing pins needs to be replaced with a full length. The Browning FP will do it for you.

This one got the hammer with spring strut and stop, trigger and firing. The safety was welded up and Turnbull CC-ed

[kaschi]

UPDATE: for those of you interested. I ordered the hammer and trigger which arrived. By the way Pete, the hammer was part # PO70750 not PO70150 and the price was $89. Figured I better grab those parts NOW before they're gone…
Nate, you mentioned getting rid of WInchester's FP due to misfires and that the Browning FP would be good for that part of the conversion. So, as far as the firing pin goes, I have not yet ordered it the following reason: I wasn't sure whether to order the Browning FP OMLY or if I had to order ALL the other six parts that are FP related. The total seven parts are listed below as shown on MWG's website for the Browning 1886.

1) FP
2) FP Inertia Slide
3 FP Inertia Slide Pin
4) FP Inertia Slide Spring
5) FP Safety Lock
6) FP Safety Lock Pin
7) FP Spring

Sure is a long list but thought it might be wise to find out about before ordering!

Thank you.

[Nate Kiowa Jones]

UPDATE: for those of you interested. I ordered the hammer and trigger which arrived. By the way Pete, the hammer was part # PO70750 not PO70150 and the price was $89. Figured I better grab those parts NOW before they're gone…
Nate, you mentioned getting rid of WInchester's FP due to misfires and that the Browning FP would be good for that part of the conversion. So, as far as the firing pin goes, I have not yet ordered it the following reason: I wasn't sure whether to order the Browning FP OMLY or if I had to order ALL the other six parts that are FP related. The total seven parts are listed below as shown on MWG's website for the Browning 1886.

1) FP
2) FP Inertia Slide
3 FP Inertia Slide Pin
4) FP Inertia Slide Spring
5) FP Safety Lock
6) FP Safety Lock Pin
7) FP Spring

Sure is a long list but thought it might be wise to find out about before ordering!

Thank you.

That looks like the parts for the Win inertia FP.

[vancelw]

My Browning Model 71s have the inertia firing pin.
Not sure about the 1886s. Never had them apart

[kaschi]

Boy, now I'm confused. So, does the Browning 1886 use an inertia FP or not? Vance pointed out that his Browning 71 has an inertia FP. A guy would think Browning used the same type of FP for both models. I have Browning 86s and a 71 and the FP is spring loaded… not sure if that means anything but it's worth mentioning. That parts diagram is exactly where I looked and it says the parts are for the Browning 1886. No mention of Winchester 1886. By the way, those specific parts listed in my last post are #s 19 through 25. Oh, one last thing, my B92s have the "free floating" FP like on the original Winchester 1892. Is that the style of FP I'm looking for to use on my new production WInchester 1886?

[Nate Kiowa Jones]

Boy, now I'm confused. So, does the Browning 1886 use an inertia FP or not? Vance pointed out that his Browning 71 has an inertia FP. A guy would think Browning used the same type of FP for both models. I have Browning 86s and a 71 and the FP is spring loaded… not sure if that means anything but it's worth mentioning. That parts diagram is exactly where I looked and it says the parts are for the Browning 1886. No mention of Winchester 1886. By the way, those specific parts listed in my last post are #s 19 through 25. Oh, one last thing, my B92s have the "free floating" FP like on the original Winchester 1892. Is that the style of FP I'm looking for to use on my new production WInchester 1886?

My bad, I was thinking B92. The Browning 86 and 71 should have that FP like the one in the schematic. But, those extra parts are to retain it. It's not pinned like the original. However IIRC it is a full length FP.
But, I don't know if it will work in the new 86's. What I ended up doing for the late 86's is adding some weld metal on the rear to make it full length. Got that trick from Turnbull

BTW An easy way to check full or rebound is to deprime a case and use some modeling clay in the primer pocket. Chamber it then gently lower the hammer fully down. Then gently open the action ejecting the case to see if the clay has a FP mark.

[Pete44ru]

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AFAIK, this is the non-inertia Browning 71/86 firing pin you need: http://www.midwestgunworks.com/page/mgw ... -4/PO70102

IDK if you also need this MS abutment pin: http://www.midwestgunworks.com/page/mgw ... -4/PO70096

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[Malamute]

There are no non-inerta Browning 86 firing pins. The one mentioned is the standard inertia type.

The aftermarket firing pins made for original 86s and 71s are probably adaptable. I believe they are close dimensionally, but may require some fitting.

The one that one of our guys here had trouble with is the first Browning firing pins ive heard of causing trouble, the couple ive had experience with functioned fine. It was a burr problem, not a general failure of concept.

[Nate Kiowa Jones]

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AFAIK, this is the non-inertia Browning 71/86 firing pin you need: http://www.midwestgunworks.com/page/mgw ... -4/PO70102

IDK if you also need this MS abutment pin: http://www.midwestgunworks.com/page/mgw ... -4/PO70096

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That's the one I added some weld metal to.

[kaschi]

So, bottom line: should I order the FP (item # PO70102) and have the add on weld applied like Nate noted?
Another question, who makes "aftermarket" 1886 Firing Pins that Malemute mentioned? I'm guessing one from Chiappa or Pedersoli might work but not sure how available they are.

[Malamute]

You would buy another Browning firing pin to weld on rather than just use the one that's in the gun? Im not sure exactly what differences there are between the Browning safety/inertia firing pins and later Winchesters versions, but I don't think its tremendous.

Heres replacement, aftermarket firing pins. This may be the source of my spare, I bought mine at a Winchester collectors gun show. Don't really know who made it, but it may have been the guys whos page I liknked below.

http://homesteadparts.com/shopcart/pid_1636.htm

[kaschi]

I agree with you Malemute, it would make no sense to buy one of those if mine is indeed the same. Might as well just have weld added to the one in my rifle if that route were taken… My interpretation of some posts here is that there ARE differences between Browning and (new) Winchester FPs and I wanted to be sure to get the right one. To be honest, the one you posted the link to is the best alternative. I'm just gonna get that one. Thanks for that link!

[Nate Kiowa Jones]

I agree with you Malemute, it would make no sense to buy one of those if mine is indeed the same. Might as well just have weld added to the one in my rifle if that route were taken… My interpretation of some posts here is that there ARE differences between Browning and (new) Winchester FPs and I wanted to be sure to get the right one. To be honest, the one you posted the link to is the best alternative. I'm just gonna get that one. Thanks for that link!

If you go with the original style FP you will need to modify the Miroku/Win bolt and
I don't know if the Browning FP will fit the current Miroku/Win bolt. Could be the same but I've never had both here at the same time to compare. Just get a current Miroku/Win FP and add some weld metal to it.