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Hi All,

I'm new the forum. I thought I found some pretty interesting information on the .357 Rossi lever actions. I had been looking for a .357 lever action for a while in 1892. I hadn't had much luck but I did find a few Winchesters and Chiapas available for $900+. But I wanted something simple, like a Rossi, since I'm new to guns in general, I would only be using it at the range, and the price was right.

Well, I couldn't find a Rossi for for the last 4-5 months. I was kicking myself because when I first got into guns there were tons of Rossi .357 r92's available. I also was able to find Rossi lever actions in other calibers like .45 but I really wanted .357 to match my 686. I finally called Rossi to ask them if they were expecting any .357's to be available in 2017. The customer service representative told me that production has been halted in Brazil. Three factories were in the process of being or already had been consolidated into one factory. He said that .357 Rossi r92 would indeed be available this year though. Take this with a grain of salt--I don't like to start rumors or anything, but this is what I was told from the horses mouth.

Well, that gave me a glimmer of hope of finding one this year--I could wait it out. In the meantime, I also called a few of the larger online retailers who I know usually have Rossis. Also, the customer service rep gave me the name of a few distributors placed orders in the past, who I called. I didn't have any luck.

Well, last Saturday, I went my local gun store (LGS) to check their stock of used rifles--no dice. I decided to walk over to the counter with the new rifles, and low and behold, there is a single new .357 r92 20" barrel. I immediately put a down payment of half on it (RI has a 7 day waiting period for all firearms so its standard practice to put at least 20% down when purchasing a firearm, and then pay the balance on the 8th day for pick up).

The sales guy told me they just got it in that week. I have no idea if it was manufactured recently or what, but I know for sure that it's a new gun and it was new for that stores inventory. I goto that store 2-4 a month, so I had a pretty good pulse on their .357 lever action inventory.

So for anyone looking for a .357 R92 Rossi--there is hope out there. I also know that there are occasionally a few on Gun Broker.

Lastly, does anyone know how to check the manufacturing date on a Rossi based on the serial number? If so, I will update this thread upon receiving the gun and let you guys know when it was made. I'm curious to know if it was recently manufactured or if this is some how old inventory that made its way to my LGS.
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Welcome to the forum, and you will love your Rossi - that and a companion revolver cover lots of uses.

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Thanks! I'm hoping I like it. It's my first lever gun and probably the gun I am most excited about getting. I think revolvers and lever guns are classic cool haha.

My next goal is to find an old pre-64 Winchester 92 rebored/rebarreled/re-chambered for .357. I saw one on Gun Broker once and I'm kicking myself for not scooping it up. It was $900 though which I'm still not sure is a fair price for a gun that's not original.
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Welcome home...... :mrgreen:

I had a 16" Big Loop Rossi M-92 awhile back (from Post Road Guns in Cranston), mounted a Williams 5D-94AE peep sight on it, and took it out dancing for a few years.

I also shortened the magazine tube, because I wanted a button magazine (I like the look).

Mine didn't need any slicking up, as it cycled smoothly right out of the box - even with .38 Specials (the progenitor of the .357 Magnum).

Even though you're new to guns, do you have membership in a RI gun club ?


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I sure like my 20" 357 Puma, had d+t'e d for a Williams peep. Todd. Can't go wrong with one.
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I have the real old one that has the puma emblem on the side of the receiver, after some parts and discussions with Nate Kiowa Jones, it functions very well and is a handy little thing. You are gonna like it, only problem is the you are gonna want a carbine and handgun in 44 mag, then in 45 Colt, so start saving your nickles....ask me how I know this feeling. Tom
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I bought a Rossi .357 16" last year. Cycles and shoots great right out of the box. Of course your are going to need a .357 single action to go with it.
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Welcome to the forum. There are two guns that belong in every American home!! One is a Winchester 1894 30-30 carbine and the other is a Rossi .357 carbine. I have a Rossi SRC 20 inch .357 with a Williams 5D sight, they are a real good set up. With your S&W .357 and the Rossi you are set for any thing.
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Welcome to the forum. Veral Smith of LBT Molds says his wife uses a 92 in .357 Mag with cast 180 gr bullets as her elk rifle. There's a whole lot going on there.
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Glad you found your rifle. Of all my firearms, my favorite is my Winchester Trapper in .357. Great home defense, truck, rv gun.
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My Rossi 92 carbine is in .44-40 and has been one of favourite rifles. I use it for exploring trips, backpack hunting in new areas.
Its never failed and has been beat up in rough country. I just finished reassembling it today after taking it out for a few days where it basically spent the whole time underwater, and was dropped down a mountain twice. It even broke my fall once. I broke the sling off it. It got mud and wet leaves through eveyrthing. I knocked the loading gate out of alignment and destroyed a sling swivel but apart from that shes fine. I fixed the loading gate alright and cleaned the rust up. To be honest its the first full dissaembly Ive done on her and she needed, it because all my trips are like that and I have had it for five years or so.
She looks like Pancho Villa rode with it but the bore is still shiny and and thats the main thing to me.

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Pete44ru wrote: Tue Apr 25, 2017 9:41 am .

Welcome home...... :mrgreen:

I had a 16" Big Loop Rossi M-92 awhile back (from Post Road Guns in Cranston), mounted a Williams 5D-94AE peep sight on it, and took it out dancing for a few years.

I also shortened the magazine tube, because I wanted a button magazine (I like the look).

Mine didn't need any slicking up, as it cycled smoothly right out of the box - even with .38 Specials (the progenitor of the .357 Magnum).

Even though you're new to guns, do you have membership in a RI gun club ?


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Thank you!

I do actually, I'm a member of Tiverton. I love it there.
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fordwannabe wrote: Tue Apr 25, 2017 10:41 am I have the real old one that has the puma emblem on the side of the receiver, after some parts and discussions with Nate Kiowa Jones, it functions very well and is a handy little thing. You are gonna like it, only problem is the you are gonna want a carbine and handgun in 44 mag, then in 45 Colt, so start saving your nickles....ask me how I know this feeling. Tom
ahhaha I know thats exactly what will happen! I already know my next revolver would be a .44 mag which means I'll need a lever gun in .44.

EDIT: Also, thanks for all the info and welcome guys! Sorry I'm double posting, I don't know how to quote different people in the same post, yet.

But I'm excited for this carbine! I'm excited to just slick it up a little myself by cocking the lever 500xs or whatever is recommended haha.
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Welcome to the forum. When you get your new gun, feel how it closes, it should make a nice snickety snick sound as you work the action with no hangups anywhere, like glass. If it's not go to Stevesgunz.com and buy Steve's DVD, ejector spring, and magazine follower (if yours is plastic). Then take a few moments and slick your gun up. You'll love it even more. You may get lucky and yours is just like glass out of the box…

Wayback in the day, 92's were handfitted. They can't afford to do it now and sell them at the price they do. So they use heavier springs to overcome the poor fitting. It doesn't take long to fit one yourself if you have even a modicum of mechanical aptitude.
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Tycer wrote: Wed Apr 26, 2017 7:16 am Welcome to the forum. When you get your new gun, feel how it closes, it should make a nice snickety snick sound as you work the action with no hangups anywhere, like glass. If it's not go to Stevesgunz.com and buy Steve's DVD, ejector spring, and magazine follower (if yours is plastic). Then take a few moments and slick your gun up. You'll love it even more. You may get lucky and yours is just like glass out of the box…

Wayback in the day, 92's were handfitted. They can't afford to do it now and sell them at the price they do. So they use heavier springs to overcome the poor fitting. It doesn't take long to fit one yourself if you have even a modicum of mechanical aptitude.
Thank you! I'm very interested in the StevesGunz.com DVD/parts. I might order them anyway even if the rifle I have is okay. I have to see though--I'm still relatively new to guns in general. I did install a Geieselle trigger myself on an AR15 a few months ago--I thought that was going to be difficult haha.
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Provvv, I had one of these maybe 20 years ago and it was very accurate. Hope yours proves to be the equal. Oddly, mine liked 110-grain JHPs in particular.
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provvv wrote: Wed Apr 26, 2017 6:04 am
Sorry I'm double posting, I don't know how to quote different people in the same post, yet.



Please check your private messages. ;)

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Welcome to the forum.
I think you will like your Rossi.
I'd had original Winchester 92's for years but never had a Rossi. A couple years ago, I bought an older one off a buddy cause I wanted a .357 rifle, another first.
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Rusty wrote: Tue Apr 25, 2017 9:16 pm Welcome to the forum. Veral Smith of LBT Molds says his wife uses a 92 in .357 Mag with cast 180 gr bullets as her elk rifle. There's a whole lot going on there.
Please retract this post of the insanity of one using a .357 for Elk. Gun writers will show up at her house with pitchforks and lanterns and tar and feather her. :wink:
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WELCOME! I owned a R92 .357, stainless, with a 16" barrel, it was a great gun, BUT, I sent it down the road because replacement parts are hard to obtain... If I was to get another .357 levergun it will be a Henry... :)

PS- I fully understand the price of other .357 Leverguns. I recently owned two Marlin 1894 in .357
and sold both for twice the price I paid for them -- I was given an offer I couldn't refuse.
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30-30 wrote: Thu Apr 27, 2017 2:13 am WELCOME! I owned a R92 .357, stainless, with a 16" barrel, it was a great gun, BUT, I sent it down the road because replacement parts are hard to obtain... If I was to get another .357 levergun it will be a Henry... :)

PS- I fully understand the price of other .357 Leverguns. I recently owned two Marlin 1894 in .357
and sold both for twice the price I paid for them -- I was given an offer I couldn't refuse.
Exactly! The prices for the old Marlins and Winchesters are through the roof!

And the new .357 lever guns are hard to find new for a good price as well.

I keep hearing about not being able to get parts for Rossi lever guns. Will this end up being a big problem? Do all parts eventually need to be replaced? I know there are aftermarket parts for springs and levers, but are there are other part problems I could run into part-wise?
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provvv wrote: Thu Apr 27, 2017 5:54 am
I keep hearing about not being able to get parts for Rossi lever guns.

Will this end up being a big problem? Do all parts eventually need to be replaced ?

I know there are aftermarket parts for springs and levers, but are there are other part problems I could run into part-wise ?



Perhaps a few of our fellow board members who shoot CAS (Cowboy Action Sports) can speak to the Rossi's dependability, as I'm sure the best Model 92 gunsmith (leverguns member Nate Kiowa Jones - www.stevesgunz.com ) could.

Speaking for myself, before I sold my Rossi's ( a .357 & a .45 Colt - both 16" Big Loop Carbine) in an inventory reduction several years ago, I can attest that I had zero issues/wear/breakage over the 10+ years I owned/shot/hunted them vigorously.

IOW - I wouldn't worry about it.


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If your gun is new you can eventually get parts from Braztech/Taurus. They bought out Rossi in about 2009. What that means is they don't always have the part and won't support guns older than the 2009's.

Because Rossi has been making their 92's since the mid 60's there will be a need for parts for those guns. That is why I am trying to cover the most common repair parts.

Besides the big loop levers and my other aftermarket parts, I now have firing pins, ejectors, ejector bushings, and loading gate/spring covers. These parts are American made, not Rossi parts. I have them made slightly large in the right places so they can be fitted no matter what year Rossi you have.

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Anyone talked to them about what models will be produced on these new lines. I read the octagon models were dropped. Hope not.
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Missedshot wrote: Thu Apr 27, 2017 4:05 pm Anyone talked to them about what models will be produced on these new lines. I read the octagon models were dropped. Hope not.
The http://www.rossiusa.com/product-list.cfm?category=8 shows pictures of the octagons but the 2017 product list PDF doesn't show any.
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923572013 R92 Carbine 357 Mag/38 Sp. +P 10 Polished Black Brazilian Hardwood Lever Action SAO Manual Fixed/Adj. Buckhorn Carbon Steel 20" 37.875" 5.6 lbs $629.00 4–5

923571613L R92 Carbine 357 Mag/38 Sp. +P 8 Polished Black Brazilian Hardwood Lever Action SAO Manual Fixed/Adj. Buckhorn Carbon Steel 16" 33.875" 4.8 lbs $639.00 4–5

923571613 R92 Carbine 357 Mag/38 Sp. +P 8 Polished Black Brazilian Hardwood Lever Action SAO Manual Fixed/Adj. Buckhorn Carbon Steel 16" 33.875" 4.8 lbs $629.00 4–5

923572093 R92 Carbine 357 Mag/38 Sp. +P 10 Polished Stainless Brazilian Hardwood Lever Action SAO Manual Fixed/Adj. Buckhorn Stainless Steel 20" 37.875" 5.6 lbs $659.00 4–5

923571693 R92 Carbine 357 Mag/38 Sp. +P 8 Polished Stainless Brazilian Hardwood Lever Action SAO Manual Fixed/Adj. Buckhorn Stainless Steel 16" 33.875" 4.8 lbs $659.00 4–5

920452013 R92 Carbine 45 Colt 10 Polished Black Brazilian Hardwood Lever Action SAO Manual Fixed/Adj. Buckhorn Carbon Steel 20" 37.875" 5.6 lbs $629.00 4–5

920451613L R92 Carbine 45 Colt 8 Polished Black Brazilian Hardwood Lever Action SAO Manual Fixed/Adj. Buckhorn Carbon Steel 16" 33.875" 4.8 lbs $639.00 4–5

920451613 R92 Carbine 45 Colt 8 Polished Black Brazilian Hardwood Lever Action SAO Manual Fixed/Adj. Buckhorn Carbon Steel 16" 33.875" 4.8 lbs $629.00 4–5

920452093 R92 Carbine 45 Colt 10 Polished Stainless Brazilian Hardwood Lever Action SAO Manual Fixed/Adj. Buckhorn Stainless Steel 20" 37.875" 5.6 lbs $659.00 4–5

920451693 R92 Carbine 45 Colt 8 Polished Stainless Brazilian Hardwood Lever Action SAO Manual Fixed/Adj. Buckhorn Stainless Steel 16" 33.875" 4.8 lbs $659.00 4–5

923572013R R92 Carbine 357 Mag/38 Sp. +P 10 Polished Black Brazilian Hardwood Lever Action SAO Manual Fixed/Adj. Buckhorn Carbon Steel 20" 37.875" 5.6 lbs $659.00 4–5

920452013R R92 Carbine 45 Colt 10 Polished Black Brazilian Hardwood Lever Action SAO Manual Fixed/Adj. Buckhorn Carbon Steel 20" 37.875" 5.6 lbs $659.00 4–5
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Nate Kiowa Jones wrote: Thu Apr 27, 2017 4:51 pm
Missedshot wrote: Thu Apr 27, 2017 4:05 pm Anyone talked to them about what models will be produced on these new lines. I read the octagon models were dropped. Hope not.
The http://www.rossiusa.com/product-list.cfm?category=8 shows pictures of the octagons but the 2017 product list PDF doesn't show any.
Huh! My favorite configuration is the 24" octagon bbl models, which appear to have been dropped. Glad I have mine; maybe shoulda' laid in a couple of extras!
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I have one in .480 Ruger and a Super Redhawk in the same caliber. I plan on going down in caliber eventually. .44 Mag then .357 Mag should do it.
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ahh I am so excited! I just picked it up. I have 8 .38 snap caps and it cycled them!

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The snaps were round nose (I think) so its good to know it will cycle them. This is by far the most fun gun I have, especially for dry firing. The snap caps actually cycle.

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I think I will definitely end up getting the parts kit from Stevesgunz.com to slick it up and also the magazine follower. I could see that it was plastic. I don't want plastic on my wooden and metal gun haha...not that it's a bad thing, I just prefer metal.

Also, what are you guys thoughts on leaving the gun loaded in regards to spring compression? If I do leave it loaded (I probably won't) would I need to expect to replace the magazine spring in its lifetime?
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No worries about spring set. You could leave it loaded for years and it won't affect the spring.

That being said, if you're keeping it loaded for home defense, you need to shoot it regularly. Therefore, the magazine will be emptied at least once a month. Yes?

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There are a few things to consider: The phenomenon known as creep, as mentioned above, only affects materials at or above ~0.4x their melting point, in absolute temperature (kelvin). This is unlikely to be an issue in regular service unless your springs are made of something absurd like lead, which actually creeps are room temperature. (I am assuming the temperature increases as a result of firing the weapon are small) Stress-strain cycles, on the other hand, play a major role in spring wear. Ferrous material like iron and most steels exhibit an infinite lifetime under a particular amount of stress amplitude - not the absolute stress, which is generally far less - (the so-called "fatigue limit"). Less ductile materials like aluminum and titanium have a finite cycle life regardless of the stress amplitude; however, parts designed with these materials generally have lifetimes in the millions of cycles and fail by different modes long before the lifetime is reached. So obviously, the life of the spring depends on proper design and materials choice. The spring steel that your gun would most likely use is a moderately-high carbon steel, with potentially nickel, silicon and manganese alloying agents in small quantities. Properly designed, it would last far longer than the other components of the gun that are regularly undergoing thermal stress, diffusion, and much larger fatigue cycles. It's safe to say that storing your mag in a properly designed gun, will not wear out the spring prematurely. However, removing 1 or 2 rounds would increase the odds that you are maintaining the spring stress below the critical fatigue limit. As a footnote, springs in regular circumstances follow Hooke's Law, which states that F=-kx (k being a materials, or "spring" constant and x being displacement). Thus, spring force is linear to displacement. I saw this forum post from an article on the main page, and as a 4th year materials engineer student I couldn't resist signing up to answer your question. Hope this helps!

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Cool post Tycer....thanks...!

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I thought about replacing the follower on mine just because it was plastic, but the ones selling over here are made from aluminium, and I dont think that would be better than plastic, I think it would be more likely to jam.
I think Nate Kiowa Joneses ones are steel.

Unfortunately he says he doesnt ship to New Zealand anymore on his website otherwise I would get some sights as well, I would lilke to replace the front and rear on mine with a bead and Winchester 94 style open rear that he has. I shoot very well with those kind of standard factory-type 94 open sights. (much as gun writers will all tell you how horrible they are.)
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Tycer wrote: Mon May 01, 2017 12:27 pm No worries about spring set. You could leave it loaded for years and it won't affect the spring.

That being said, if you're keeping it loaded for home defense, you need to shoot it regularly. Therefore, the magazine will be emptied at least once a month. Yes?

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There are a few things to consider: The phenomenon known as creep, as mentioned above, only affects materials at or above ~0.4x their melting point, in absolute temperature (kelvin). This is unlikely to be an issue in regular service unless your springs are made of something absurd like lead, which actually creeps are room temperature. (I am assuming the temperature increases as a result of firing the weapon are small) Stress-strain cycles, on the other hand, play a major role in spring wear. Ferrous material like iron and most steels exhibit an infinite lifetime under a particular amount of stress amplitude - not the absolute stress, which is generally far less - (the so-called "fatigue limit"). Less ductile materials like aluminum and titanium have a finite cycle life regardless of the stress amplitude; however, parts designed with these materials generally have lifetimes in the millions of cycles and fail by different modes long before the lifetime is reached. So obviously, the life of the spring depends on proper design and materials choice. The spring steel that your gun would most likely use is a moderately-high carbon steel, with potentially nickel, silicon and manganese alloying agents in small quantities. Properly designed, it would last far longer than the other components of the gun that are regularly undergoing thermal stress, diffusion, and much larger fatigue cycles. It's safe to say that storing your mag in a properly designed gun, will not wear out the spring prematurely. However, removing 1 or 2 rounds would increase the odds that you are maintaining the spring stress below the critical fatigue limit. As a footnote, springs in regular circumstances follow Hooke's Law, which states that F=-kx (k being a materials, or "spring" constant and x being displacement). Thus, spring force is linear to displacement. I saw this forum post from an article on the main page, and as a 4th year materials engineer student I couldn't resist signing up to answer your question. Hope this helps!

Reference https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/d ... ng.661309/
Thanks for the information! Very helpful!
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I thought about replacing the follower on mine just because it was plastic, but the ones selling over here are made from aluminium, and I dont think that would be better than plastic, I think it would be more likely to jam.
I think Nate Kiowa Joneses ones are steel.

Unfortunately he says he doesnt ship to New Zealand anymore on his website otherwise I would get some sights as well, I would lilke to replace the front and rear on mine with a bead and Winchester 94 style open rear that he has. I shoot very well with those kind of standard factory-type 94 open sights. (much as gun writers will all tell you how horrible they are.)
I'm sure the plastic follower is fine otherwise Rossi wouldn't use it. So if you don't have access to the steel ones I wouldn't sweat it--from what I know (which isn't much). I have plenty of guns that are plastic and metal.

Also, one more question guys. Can someone help me understand half cocked? Or quarter cocked? I've never had a gun with this option.

When I chamber the gun using the lever the bolt pushes the hammer fully back. The only way I can get the half cock to engage while the gun is chambered, is by pulling the trigger while holding back the hammer and slowly setting it at the quarter cock spot. Is that the standard procedure for engaging half/quarter cocked on a 92?

Also, is the advantage to using quarter cocked so that when the gun is chambered, the hammer can't accidentally fall and hit the firing pin? In my experience (dry firing for one day), once chambered (the lever pulled back), the bolt pushes the hammer all the way back anyway. I can't seem to get my gun to be chambered with the hammer un-cocked, unless I manually un-cock it by pulling the trigger.

Does this make sense? I haven't actually shot it yet and I haven't shot a lever gun before so I might be using the wrong terms or making the wrong assumptions about whats occurring to A when I do B.

I have to add, this really is magnificent engineering, so many little options here and there that are designed into it. Browning really was genius.
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Your spring will probably rust before it lost its ability to performs its job... unless you take it out every once in a while to clean it and the inside of the mag tube. But... I still don't make a habit of keeping any of my levers fully loaded. (Actually, I only keep one loaded).
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I think the way you're describing putting the gun on 'half-cock' (or 'quarter-cock') is correct.
Some semiauto pistols have a 'decocking' safety or whatever, but a levergun is pretty much 'manual' all the way around.

I habitually put mine on half-cock for storage and if I'm walking with one chambered (i.e. 'stalk-hunting') I do that as well.

I actually LIKE the Marlin button-safety, but dislike the Rossi one - the latter seems to go 'on' or 'off' on its own - an unforgivable sin for a 'safety'.

NKJ's inert button replacement for the safety is a good option.
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Yes, you are using the rifle correctly. The half cock position is the safety.

You load the rifle, cock it with the lever, chambering a round, and then hold the trigger and hold the hammer with your thumb and go forward and into the half cock position. The rifle cannot fire from this position.
So you can carry it like this when stalking or what not, then when you see an animal, you can pull the hammer back to full cock. (You can do this silently too- hold the hammer, then pull the trigger in, and pull the hammer back to full cock, then let the trigger out, then let go the hammer. You will see what I mean when you try it.)

Same thing on a 94 too.
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Carlsen Highway wrote: Mon May 01, 2017 11:32 pm
I thought about replacing the follower on mine just because it was plastic, but the ones selling over here are made from aluminium.


FWIW, about 8 years ago, I made my own metal follower for my .357 Rossi M-92 - AND, another board member had a good idea about using a spent .40S&W cartridge case as a follower (it works).

You can read my full tutorial post, from back then:

http://www.levergunscommunity.com/viewt ... er#p212629



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UPDATE: I shot the rossi today for the first time in the pouring rain (under a cover) and it shot flawlessly. I brought four different brands of ammo and each one worked. I used .38 Winchester white box, .38 American Eagle red box (round nose), .38 Freedom Munitions hollow points, and Perfecta .357's FMJ. For some reason I had the preconceived notion that the hollow points wouldn't feed but they did indeed.

This is by far the most fun gun I have of all the guns I own. I think its more fun than the AR-15, Scorpion, 10/22, and SW22 which are some of the more "fun" guns I own. I could just shoot it all day. I didn't get fatigued how I do with other guns after I shoot them for awhile. Plus, it was so accurate which definitely made shooting it enjoyable.

One more thing, I can't vouch for this site, but it was posted on another forum, and I noticed they actually had some lever guns for sale. These are like Floor Samples from what I can tell. I think the word they used are Salesman Samples: http://www.ows-ammo.com/store/index.php ... 20a&page=3 But I saw some 1892's, 1873's, and some others.

One thing that stood out to me in the description. It said, "These are the new Navy Arms Winchester 1873 lever-action rifles, made by Winchester for Navy Arms with Grade 1 American Walnut..." Is it true that Winchester manufacturers rifles for Navy Arms? And if so, are they the Japanese ones? Do they manufacture all of the Winchester replicas (that I guess aren't replicas) for Navy Arms? If they do, then I'll start looking for more Navy Arms deals. I always thought they were just really expensive guns that were more for people involved in Cowboy Action competitions.

Also, if posting the link is against the rule, let me know and I will edit it out. I didn't want to post it in classifieds because I'm not the seller. I just wanted to pass on the deal to y'all.
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provvv wrote: Sat May 06, 2017 11:55 am
One more thing, I can't vouch for this site, but it was posted on another forum, and I noticed they actually had some lever guns for sale.

These are like Floor Samples from what I can tell.
I think the word they used are Salesman Samples: http://www.ows-ammo.com/store/index.php ... 20a&page=3 But I saw some 1892's, 1873's, and some others.

One thing that stood out to me in the description.

It said, "These are the new Navy Arms Winchester 1873 lever-action rifles, made by Winchester for Navy Arms with Grade 1 American Walnut..."

Is it true that Winchester manufacturers rifles for Navy Arms ?
Winchester discontinued the Model 1873/73 at least 35 years before Navy Arms was born (ca.1956), so no, Winchester never made guns for Navy Arms.

Navy Arms was an importer, starting out with replica muzzleloaders before gradually including cartridge guns to their inventory.

NA did import some Rossi Model 92's, that were branded for them by Rossi, but the new Navy Model 1873's (since 2014) are AFAIK made in Japan by Miroku, and (like every other Miroku firearm) are of top quality, in terms of fit/finish.

The "made by Winchester" quote may not actually be a lie, but it's also not entirely the truth - FN owns the "Winchester" brand name now, and once upon a time Winchester also owned a portion of Miroku (but IDK where the corporate lineup/status stands today).

Today, every new "Winchester" & "Browning" lever-action & single-shot rifles (besides others) are made by Miroku.

The various corporate relationships are difficult to determine w/o a score sheet. ;)

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Glad you enjoyed your Rossi....!

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Sure glad that you got to know you .357 levergun. They are a lot of fun and so smooth and easy to use. They can also be a very serious weapon for offence or defence, reloaded with out taking it out of service. Place about 14 or 15 water jugs out in front of you and start shooting, stuff two or three rounds in and shoot the rest of the jugs, lotta fun.
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