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Strength comparisons for Marlin, Henry and Rossi in 45-70?
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Re: Strength comparisons for Marlin, Henry and Rossi in 45-7
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Re: Strength comparisons for Marlin, Henry and Rossi in 45-7
Rusty, I never doubted it, especially after they chambered them in .500 S&W. Too bad they aren't made anymore. 
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Re: Strength comparisons for Marlin, Henry and Rossi in 45-7
Isn't the new Henry single shot essentially the same gun?sore shoulder wrote:Rusty, I never doubted it, especially after they chambered them in .500 S&W. Too bad they aren't made anymore.
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Re: Strength comparisons for Marlin, Henry and Rossi in 45-7
From what I see they look pretty much the same.Griff wrote:Isn't the new Henry single shot essentially the same gun?sore shoulder wrote:Rusty, I never doubted it, especially after they chambered them in .500 S&W. Too bad they aren't made anymore.
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Re: Strength comparisons for Marlin, Henry and Rossi in 45-7
I snagged a used one in 500 S&W for about a hundred bucks; came with a box of 24 rounds and one empty. Scope-mount had drag-marks on it so I think someone got a bad case of scope-eye...sore shoulder wrote:Rusty, I never doubted it, especially after they chambered them in .500 S&W. Too bad they aren't made anymore.
Took the mount off, put on a Williams WGRS aperture sight, and got me a good 'slug gun' for Indiana deer... 
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Re: Strength comparisons for Marlin, Henry and Rossi in 45-7
AJMD429 wrote:I snagged a used one in 500 S&W for about a hundred bucks; came with a box of 24 rounds and one empty. Scope-mount had drag-marks on it so I think someone got a bad case of scope-eye...sore shoulder wrote:Rusty, I never doubted it, especially after they chambered them in .500 S&W. Too bad they aren't made anymore.
those are going for $500 on GB now. A bare receiver is $99.
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Re: Strength comparisons for Marlin, Henry and Rossi in 45-7
sore shoulder wrote:those are going for $500 on GB now. A bare receiver is $99.AJMD429 wrote:I snagged a used one in 500 S&W for about a hundred bucks; came with a box of 24 rounds and one empty. Scope-mount had drag-marks on it so I think someone got a bad case of scope-eye...sore shoulder wrote:Rusty, I never doubted it, especially after they chambered them in .500 S&W. Too bad they aren't made anymore.
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Re: Strength comparisons for Marlin, Henry and Rossi in 45-7
A used Handi-rifle is going for more than a new 336 or Savage bolt action etc.
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Re: Strength comparisons for Marlin, Henry and Rossi in 45-7
Whelen, in his pre-WW-I book, wrote that factory .45-70 ran as high as 25,000 psi, as measured by what ever form of crusher they used then. I recall this included the heavy BP loads of the day. This figure no doubt explains why SAAMI is 28,000 psi today.
However, I recall Pearce writing in either Handloader or Rifle that modern factory ammo is loaded to under 20,000 psi due to the many weak 1800s guns (various makers) in circulation.
Any rifle made today is certain to be safe at 32,000 psi, for that is the rating at CIP (which in this case is a bit higher than SAAMI). The three rifles in question can likely take a little more, but you're already in the "ouch" category, so why bother. In Whelen's book, he noted the hunters then felt the .45-70-500 at 1200 fps was enough for all N.A. game, and that can be reached at less than SAAMI pressures.
However, I recall Pearce writing in either Handloader or Rifle that modern factory ammo is loaded to under 20,000 psi due to the many weak 1800s guns (various makers) in circulation.
Any rifle made today is certain to be safe at 32,000 psi, for that is the rating at CIP (which in this case is a bit higher than SAAMI). The three rifles in question can likely take a little more, but you're already in the "ouch" category, so why bother. In Whelen's book, he noted the hunters then felt the .45-70-500 at 1200 fps was enough for all N.A. game, and that can be reached at less than SAAMI pressures.